Manwin Fabian and NATS The Walls Are About To Come Crumbling Down

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • avalanche
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2005
    • 1922

    #51
    Figured Id go ahead an' post it 'bfoe AVN an' XBiz claim dey thought o' it

    From MikeSouf.Com

    Some background iz required here fo' thoise dat don?t know Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann wuz da chief engineer o' affiliate tracking software called NATS. It wuz very comprehensive software (still iz) dat wuz used by adult webmasters ta track an' pay affiliates among other things an' NATS had lots o' features.

    Interestingly many o' da features o' NATS would aid in exactly what German prosecutors gots accused Fabian o' doin'. NATS allows you ta specify billers on uh per country basis, an' dat obviously could include making sho dat da customer never buys uh membership from uh company in da same country?. thus avoiding tax. European customers fo' instance could be sent outside o' da EU ta gank they membership.

    It also werkz in da other direction? hirin ?amature? cam operators in Germany, then paying dem through an offshore company than paying dem directly in Germany. dis here iz done specifically ta avoid employment taxes an' all da legal responsibilities (an' contract law implications) dat exist if dey wuz ta do bidness directly. By moving it offshore, dey can fine ass much dictate da terms o' da contract, claim ta not be liable fo' workplace or taxation ishues, an' generally ignore local law.

    dis here explains an awful lot?like why Manwin doesn?t send checks ta performers (or anyone really) instead dey git wire transfers from banks outside da USA. Tney use dis here same structure through all o' they companies.

    Manwin has gots ta be sweating bullets ova Fabians indictment?ah told you dis here iz going ta shine light into da corners where da cockroaches is?.It's coming.

    an' if da FSC has uh lick o' sense dey bettah be making sho they books is squeaky clean too cuz Manwin iz da only thin` dat has kept dem afloat da last few years.

    Im reminded o' an old John Cougar Melloncamp song?.When da Walls Come Crumbling Down? all ye damn hood ratz.. -
    Avalanche

    CherryPimps - Daily Pornstars, LIVE and more!

    Comment

    • TheSquealer
      Mayor of Thneedville
      • Oct 2004
      • 26174

      #52
      For any Zulu bushmen,

      Id sasisuke phambili ngeposi phambi AVN and XBiz claim bacabanga of it

      From MikeSouth.Com

      Abanye background edingekayo lapha thoise ukuthi abazi umlando Fabians. Fabian Thylmann kwaba engineer induna software lobulungu kokulandela ngokuthi ama-nat. Kwaba kakhulu olunzulu software (namanje) eyayisetshenziswa webmaster omdala ukulandelela akhokhe abaxhumana phakathi kwezinye izinto and nat aba izici.

      Ngokuthakazelisayo eziningi zezici nat kwakuyoba ziyolekelela Ngilokho abashushisi German baye bamangalela Fabian yokwenza. Nat ikuvumela ukuba ucacise billers on a izwe ngalinye nesisekelo, futhi kusobala kungafaka ekuqinisekiseni ukuthi ikhasimende akafuni ubulungu enkampanini ezweni elifanayo .... kanjalo sigweme intela. Amakhasimende European for Ngokwesibonelo babengase wathumela ngaphandle EU ukuthenga ubulungu babo.

      Isebenza ngakolunye uhlangothi ... ukuqasha "amateur" cam opharetha eJalimane, bese sibabhadele ngokusebenzisa inkampani nosebe kunokuba sibabhadele ngqo eJalimane. Lokhu kwenziwa ngqo ukugwema intela emisebenzi kanye yonke imithwalo zomthetho (and nemithelela umthetho inkontileka) ukuthi akhona uma kade ukwenza ibhizinisi ngqo. By olisunduza liye engasogwini, abakwazi pretty okuningi balawule nemibandela yesivumelwano, funa ukuba kungabi akhokhe for emsebenzini noma intela izingqinamba, futhi ngokuvamile indiva umthetho wendawo.

      Lokhu kuchaza lot angathandeki ... like kungani Manwin akusho ukuthumela amasheke abadlali (noma ubani ngempela) kunalokho uthole wire Ukudluliselwa amabhange ngaphandle USA. Tney ukusebenzisa lolu sakhiwo lesifanako ngokusebenzisa zonke izinkampani zabo.

      Manwin eseke ukuba ajuluke izinhlamvu phezu Fabians icala ... Nginitshelile lokhu uya kukhanye ukukhanya singene emagumbini lapho amaphela kukhona ... .it ezizayo.

      Futhi uma The FSC has a lick of mqondo kangcono kube ekuqinisekiseni izincwadi zabo kukhona oziphethe kahle uqala ehlanzekile futhi ngoba Manwin kuyinto nje ukuthi uye wawagcina untanta the last eminyakeni embalwa.

      Im wakhumbuza of an old song John Cougar Melloncamp ... .When The Walls Woza ebhidlikayo Down ...
      .
      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

      Rochard

      Comment

      • ReggieDurango
        Confirmed User
        • Nov 2007
        • 4784

        #53
        Originally posted by dyna mo
        the walls are about to start crumbling down on NATS according to the thread title.
        Too Much Media response?

        Comment

        • PornDiscounts-V
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2003
          • 5744

          #54
          I go to sleep.
          Blog Posts - Contextual Links - Hardlinks on 600+ Blog Network
          * Handwritten * 180 C Class IPs * Permanent! * Many Niches! * Bulk Discounts! GFYPosts /at/ J2Media.net

          Comment

          • mikesouth
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2003
            • 6334

            #55
            You guys are a fucking riot Im laughing my ass off....
            Mike South

            It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

            Comment

            • L-Pink
              working on my tan
              • Mar 2005
              • 39151

              #56
              You guys are a fucking riot Im laughing my ass off....

              Comment

              • Horatio Caine
                full-time aspiring rapper
                • Aug 2012
                • 5746

                #57
                Вы, ребята, чертовски бунт Я смеюсь моей задницы ....

                Comment

                • Harmon
                  ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ)
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 20012

                  #58
                  j00Z 9U'/$ R 4 PhU(|<1|\|9 r107 1/\/\ L4U9|-|1|\|9 /\/\'/ 4$$ 0PhPh
                  [email protected]

                  Comment

                  • xXXtesy10
                    Fakecoin Investor
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 7127

                    #59
                    WARNING: Stay Away From Marlboroack aka aka Brandon Ackerman
                    http://gfy.com/21169705-post8.html
                    Donny Long is Felon, Stalker, Scammer & Coward
                    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...lon-int-761244

                    Comment

                    • JFK
                      FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 67373

                      #60
                      Originally posted by xXXtesy10

                      FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX
                      For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

                      Comment

                      • 2MuchMark
                        Mark of 2Much.net
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 50979

                        #61

                        Comment

                        • The Porn Nerd
                          Living The Dream
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 19787

                          #62
                          Cliff notes?
                          My Affiliate Programs:
                          Porn Nerd Cash | Porn Showcase | Aggressive Gold

                          Over 90 paysites to promote!
                          Now on Teams: peabodymedia

                          Comment

                          • Spunky
                            I need a beer
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 133986

                            #63
                            none - the hun gets revenue from pre-paid gallery placements on the top 15 spaces and banners. the rest of the galleries are free placements.

                            Comment

                            • atom
                              Confirmed User
                              • Apr 2002
                              • 2740

                              #64
                              Julle is 'n fokken oproer Im lag my gat af ....
                              Have Chargebacks? Send me a message.

                              ChargebackHelp.com

                              Comment

                              • PaperstreetWinston
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 2604

                                #65
                                This thread gave me a headache
                                Winston
                                Affiliate Support
                                PaperstreetCash MYLFMoney Charger Cash

                                Skype: mikrocosmos1
                                Email: [email protected]

                                Comment

                                • TheSquealer
                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 26174

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                  Cliff notes?
                                  Early reports are that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Probably no big deal.
                                  .
                                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                                  Rochard

                                  Comment

                                  • Kate Bi
                                    just lurking around
                                    • Aug 2005
                                    • 167

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Relentless
                                    For the Blind:

                                    This one
                                    Please PM me your best converting kinky sponsors

                                    Comment

                                    • L-Pink
                                      working on my tan
                                      • Mar 2005
                                      • 39151

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                      Early reports are that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Probably no big deal.

                                      Comment

                                      • NewNick
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Mar 2009
                                        • 7229

                                        #69
                                        Aliens did it.
                                        "Americas Hitler" JD Vance.
                                        “There isn’t really an upside to Trump.” Tucker Carlson.
                                        “a convicted felon rapist is now your president” OneHungLow, gfy.com

                                        Comment

                                        • TheDA
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2006
                                          • 4665

                                          #70
                                          You guys are a fucking riot Im laughing my ass off....
                                          Sharleen Spiteri - 1989 - In The Ass

                                          Comment

                                          • ilnjscb
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2009
                                            • 8973

                                            #71

                                            Comment

                                            • MrGusMuller
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2010
                                              • 1262

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by L-Pink
                                              You guys are a fucking riot Im laughing my ass off....
                                              StagCMS - Adult CMS - user friendly adult content management system - speed up your websites with no SQL connections
                                              ICQ: 63*23*43*113

                                              Comment

                                              • Zuzana Designs
                                                All Your Design Needs
                                                • Feb 2005
                                                • 20896

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                You guys are a fucking riot Im laughing my ass off....

                                                Website Design - Consulting - Development
                                                sarah [at] zuzanadesigns.com - See Our Work

                                                Comment

                                                • JFK
                                                  FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 67373

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                  Cliff notes?
                                                  Cliff notes?

                                                  FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX
                                                  For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

                                                  Comment

                                                  • PornDiscounts-V
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                    • 5744

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by JFK
                                                    Cliff notes?
                                                    Duly noted!
                                                    Blog Posts - Contextual Links - Hardlinks on 600+ Blog Network
                                                    * Handwritten * 180 C Class IPs * Permanent! * Many Niches! * Bulk Discounts! GFYPosts /at/ J2Media.net

                                                    Comment

                                                    • Evil Chris
                                                      OG
                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                      • 13248

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by JFK
                                                      Cliff notes?
                                                      Son, I am disappoint.


                                                      It PAYZE to post on GFY

                                                      chris at payze.com | Skype chriswrp

                                                      Comment

                                                      • Evil Chris
                                                        OG
                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                        • 13248

                                                        #77
                                                        Ahoy!

                                                        Figured Id go ahead 'n post it afore AVN 'n XBiz claim they thought o' it

                                                        From MikeSouth.Com

                                                        Some background be required here fer thoise that don’t know Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann was th' chief engineer o' affiliate trackin' software called NATS. 'twas mighty comprehensive software (still be) that was used by adult webmasters t' track 'n pay affiliates among other thin's 'n NATS had lots o' features.

                                                        Interestingly many o' th' features o' NATS would aid in exactly wha' German prosecutors 'ave accused Fabian o' doin'. NATS allows ye t' specify billers on a per country basis, 'n that obviously could include makin' sure that th' customer ne'er buys a membership from a crew in th' same country…. thus avoidin' tax. European customers fer instance could be sent outside o' th' EU t' buy thar membership.

                                                        It also works in th' other direction… hirin' “amateur” cam operators in Germany, then payin' them through an offshore crew rather than payin' them directly in Germany. 'tis done specifically t' avoid employment taxes 'n all th' legal responsibilities ('n contract law implications) that exist if they were t' do business directly. By movin' it offshore, they can pretty much dictate th' terms o' th' contract, claim t' nah be liable fer workplace or taxation issues, 'n generally ignore local law.

                                                        This explains an ghastly lot…like why Manwin doesn’t send checks t' performers (or anyone really) instead they get wire transfers from banks outside th' USA. Tney use this same structure through all o' thar companies.

                                                        Manwin has got t' be sweatin' bullets o'er Fabians indictment…I told ye 'tis goin' t' shine light into th' corners where th' cockroaches are….'tis comin'.

                                                        'n if Th' FSC has a lick o' sense they best be makin' sure thar books are squeaky swab too 'cause Manwin be th' only thin' that has kept them afloat th' last few years.

                                                        Im reminded o' an ole John Cougar Melloncamp chanty….When Th' Walls Come Crumblin' Down…


                                                        It PAYZE to post on GFY

                                                        chris at payze.com | Skype chriswrp

                                                        Comment

                                                        • sandman!
                                                          Icq: 14420613
                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 15431

                                                          #78
                                                          Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]

                                                          Comment

                                                          • DVTimes
                                                            xxx
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 31658

                                                            #79
                                                            Fabian Thylmann Indicted on Tax Evasion Charges | Wouj Webmaster Site
                                                            XXX

                                                            Comment

                                                            • Relentless
                                                              www.EngineFood.com
                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 5697

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                              Cliff notes?


                                                              Website Secure | Engine Food
                                                              ICQ# 266-942-896

                                                              Comment

                                                              • signupdamnit
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                • 6697

                                                                #81
                                                                Say what you want about Mike South but I remember him telling Fabian that he would see him in prison. Many of the same people posting here laughed and made fun of him and others for it. Then it happened and now it looks like it is going to happen again for much longer. It's too bad a good industry ass licking can't save you from the government, eh?

                                                                PS- I hope the feds and the various EU tax authorities are reading this and other threads on GFY to look for other possible targets who are guilty of nearly the same thing. Wouldn't that be great?

                                                                You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

                                                                Comment

                                                                • Relentless
                                                                  www.EngineFood.com
                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                  • 5697

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by signupdamnit
                                                                  Idiotic Comments Not Worth Reposting
                                                                  You either do not believe the things you write on GFY and are wasting time writing them... or worse... you actually do believe them.


                                                                  Website Secure | Engine Food
                                                                  ICQ# 266-942-896

                                                                  Comment

                                                                  • JFK
                                                                    FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 67373

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by Relentless
                                                                    You either do not believe the things you write on GFY and are wasting time writing them... or worse... you actually do believe them.
                                                                    OK then

                                                                    FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX
                                                                    For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

                                                                    Comment

                                                                    • Tinara
                                                                      Registered User
                                                                      • Apr 2015
                                                                      • 61

                                                                      #84
                                                                      Gibt es jemanden wichtiger als Mike South als Mike South selbst? Nein. Mike South ist wichtiger. Mike South Ego ist wichtiger. Und Mike South weiß nur eins, Mike South. Als Mike South gibt es nur Mike South. Egozentrische Mike Süden. Mike südlich der Egomane. Mike South einen Identitätswechsel Mike Süd-und natürlich Mike Süden selbst zu tun. Niemand sonst auf der Welt - aber Mike South - existiert. Es ist wirklich nur ein Mike-South.

                                                                      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -

                                                                      I think we all understand you want the credit and the 'scoop' for the Fabian thing Mike, but you seem to have lost a bit of respect here, hmm? I've been following your stuff for years, but you lost a lot of respect from myself & the company I work for when you put Diez's ad space at the top of your site for months and months and months on end without ever noting what was going on here. You write about piracy all the time yet at the exact same time you have pirate ad space right at the top of your site. Go figure.

                                                                      I see that he is finally gone now from your domain, but I stopped visiting a long time ago. Your ego just needs so much TLC that I couldn't keep up.

                                                                      It seems you might lurk here, but paid no attention because of course you were paid by him to put up the ad space and you apparently needed the money 'that bad' as to promote piracy on your anti-piracy site...

                                                                      With that said, you have been calling out Manwin for a long time and I'm sure the others here commend you on it. In fact, most of the companies that have been known for years here are now owned by them. But the fact that your initial thread post lead to one of the funniest threads in history only begs the question, why?

                                                                      I almost wet my pants reading this thread it was too TOO funny.

                                                                      Got another 'news alert'? Or don't you want to give it over to AVN or XBIZ?

                                                                      Oh, that's right. They are owned by Manwin too.

                                                                      Guess this place is your best bet.

                                                                      Your's truly,
                                                                      T
                                                                      It appears I may be a cunt

                                                                      Comment

                                                                      • mikesouth
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 6334

                                                                        #85
                                                                        [QUOTE=Tinara;20457202]Gibt es jemanden wichtiger als Mike South als Mike South selbst? Nein. Mike South ist wichtiger. Mike South Ego ist wichtiger. Und Mike South weiß nur eins, Mike South. Als Mike South gibt es nur Mike South. Egozentrische Mike Süden. Mike südlich der Egomane. Mike South einen Identitätswechsel Mike Süd-und natürlich Mike Süden selbst zu tun. Niemand sonst auf der Welt - aber Mike South - existiert. Es ist wirklich nur ein Mike-South.

                                                                        -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -

                                                                        I think we all understand you want the credit and the 'scoop' for the Fabian thing Mike, but you seem to have lost a bit of respect here, hmm? I've been following your stuff for years, but you lost a lot of respect from myself & the company I work for when you put Diez's ad space at the top of your site for months and months and months on end without ever noting what was going on here.

                                                                        You make a legit point there at the time the sites passed my rules, no stolen content etc...they did have some galleries from manwin sites but that wasnt a deal breaker. they paid a lot of money for that header and they paid for a whole year in advance. When it came up for renewal I nixed it. Ya i coulda used the cash but in the end it wasnt worth it. It clearly violated my policy.

                                                                        I do get quite a bit of email (a lot from the stagliano stoy) from company owners pointing out that AVN and XBiz wont run stories like that even though in the end it helps them to know how OSHA targets and fines companies...it may dsave them from the same fate.

                                                                        I try to make sure that if something useful comes up I run it. for all the laughing here the Fabian story is in fact a big one. I was under the idea that Fabian had bought his way out of being prosecuted but that showed it wasnt the case. It also points out some of the things that could come up in the trial that might make Manwin/MindGeek very nervous...as well as shining more light onto the operations of Manwin.

                                                                        All of this at a time when Manwin can little afford the scrutiny.
                                                                        Mike South

                                                                        It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

                                                                        Comment

                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                                                          Living The Dream
                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                          • 19787

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Your money is in motion...
                                                                          My Affiliate Programs:
                                                                          Porn Nerd Cash | Porn Showcase | Aggressive Gold

                                                                          Over 90 paysites to promote!
                                                                          Now on Teams: peabodymedia

                                                                          Comment

                                                                          • RyuLion
                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                            • 32369

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Paper_Amar
                                                                            See full story @ Xbiz.net

                                                                            Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995
                                                                            Affiliate Support: Chaturbate | CCBill Live

                                                                            Comment

                                                                            • Brad Mitchell
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                              • 9813

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Oh I'm so laughing
                                                                              President at MojoHost | brad at mojohost dot com | Skype MojoHostBrad
                                                                              71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

                                                                              Comment

                                                                              • American Psycho
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2009
                                                                                • 3068

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Fabian dindu nuffins

                                                                                Comment

                                                                                • ReggieDurango
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Nov 2007
                                                                                  • 4784

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                  that's a pretty sick collage

                                                                                  Comment

                                                                                  • ruff
                                                                                    I have a plan B
                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                    • 5507

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                    Crazy thread. LOL
                                                                                    Needs some titty photos is all.
                                                                                    CryptoFeeds

                                                                                    Comment

                                                                                    • Bladewire
                                                                                      StraightBro
                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                      • 56228

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by ruff
                                                                                      Needs some titty photos is all.


                                                                                      Skype: CallTomNow

                                                                                      Comment

                                                                                      • Far-L
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 6065

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        "The Epic of Manwin Fabian and NATS, The Walls Are About To Come Tumbling Down"

                                                                                        Some background is required

                                                                                        here

                                                                                        for those that don?t know
                                                                                        Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann was
                                                                                        the chief engineer of affiliate tracking

                                                                                        software

                                                                                        Called NATS. It was
                                                                                        very comprehensive
                                                                                        software (still is) that was

                                                                                        used

                                                                                        by adult webmasters to track
                                                                                        and pay affiliates
                                                                                        among other things

                                                                                        and

                                                                                        NATS had lots of features.

                                                                                        Interestingly many of the features of NATS
                                                                                        would aid
                                                                                        in exactly what
                                                                                        German prosecutors have accused

                                                                                        Fabian

                                                                                        of doing NATS allows you to specify
                                                                                        billers on a per country basis,
                                                                                        and that obviously could include making
                                                                                        sure that the customer never buys
                                                                                        a membership from a company
                                                                                        in the same country?. thus avoiding

                                                                                        tax.

                                                                                        European customers for instance could
                                                                                        be sent outside
                                                                                        of the EU to buy
                                                                                        their membership.

                                                                                        It also works in the other direction?
                                                                                        hiring ?amateur? cam operators in Germany,
                                                                                        then paying them through an offshore company
                                                                                        rather than paying them directly
                                                                                        in Germany.

                                                                                        This is done specifically
                                                                                        to avoid
                                                                                        employment taxes and all the legal responsibilities
                                                                                        (and contract law implications) that exist
                                                                                        if they were to do business directly.
                                                                                        By moving it

                                                                                        offshore,

                                                                                        they can pretty much dictate
                                                                                        the terms of the contract,

                                                                                        claim

                                                                                        to not be liable
                                                                                        for workplace or taxation issues,
                                                                                        and generally ignore local law.

                                                                                        This explains an awful lot?
                                                                                        like why Manwin doesn?t send
                                                                                        checks to performers
                                                                                        (or anyone really)

                                                                                        instead

                                                                                        they get wire transfers
                                                                                        from banks outside the USA.
                                                                                        Tney use this same structure
                                                                                        through all of their companies.

                                                                                        Manwin has got to be sweating

                                                                                        bullets

                                                                                        over Fabians indictment?
                                                                                        I told you
                                                                                        this is going to shine
                                                                                        light into the corners
                                                                                        where the cockroaches

                                                                                        are?.

                                                                                        It's coming.

                                                                                        And if The FSC has a lick
                                                                                        of sense they better be
                                                                                        making sure their books are squeaky
                                                                                        clean too because Manwin is
                                                                                        the only thing that has kept them

                                                                                        afloat

                                                                                        the last few years.
                                                                                        Im reminded of an old John
                                                                                        Cougar Melloncamp

                                                                                        song?.

                                                                                        When The Walls Come
                                                                                        Crumbling

                                                                                        Down?
                                                                                        HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
                                                                                        Contact
                                                                                        - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl
                                                                                        Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

                                                                                        Comment

                                                                                        • Bladewire
                                                                                          StraightBro
                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                          • 56228

                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by Far-L
                                                                                          "The Epic of Manwin Fabian and NATS, The Walls Are About To Come Tumbling Down"

                                                                                          Some background is required

                                                                                          here

                                                                                          for those that don?t know
                                                                                          Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann was
                                                                                          the chief engineer of affiliate tracking

                                                                                          software

                                                                                          Called NATS. It was
                                                                                          very comprehensive
                                                                                          software (still is) that was

                                                                                          used

                                                                                          by adult webmasters to track
                                                                                          and pay affiliates
                                                                                          among other things

                                                                                          and

                                                                                          NATS had lots of features.

                                                                                          Interestingly many of the features of NATS
                                                                                          would aid
                                                                                          in exactly what
                                                                                          German prosecutors have accused

                                                                                          Fabian

                                                                                          of doing NATS allows you to specify
                                                                                          billers on a per country basis,
                                                                                          and that obviously could include making
                                                                                          sure that the customer never buys
                                                                                          a membership from a company
                                                                                          in the same country?. thus avoiding

                                                                                          tax.

                                                                                          European customers for instance could
                                                                                          be sent outside
                                                                                          of the EU to buy
                                                                                          their membership.

                                                                                          It also works in the other direction?
                                                                                          hiring ?amateur? cam operators in Germany,
                                                                                          then paying them through an offshore company
                                                                                          rather than paying them directly
                                                                                          in Germany.

                                                                                          This is done specifically
                                                                                          to avoid
                                                                                          employment taxes and all the legal responsibilities
                                                                                          (and contract law implications) that exist
                                                                                          if they were to do business directly.
                                                                                          By moving it

                                                                                          offshore,

                                                                                          they can pretty much dictate
                                                                                          the terms of the contract,

                                                                                          claim

                                                                                          to not be liable
                                                                                          for workplace or taxation issues,
                                                                                          and generally ignore local law.

                                                                                          This explains an awful lot?
                                                                                          like why Manwin doesn?t send
                                                                                          checks to performers
                                                                                          (or anyone really)

                                                                                          instead

                                                                                          they get wire transfers
                                                                                          from banks outside the USA.
                                                                                          Tney use this same structure
                                                                                          through all of their companies.

                                                                                          Manwin has got to be sweating

                                                                                          bullets

                                                                                          over Fabians indictment?
                                                                                          I told you
                                                                                          this is going to shine
                                                                                          light into the corners
                                                                                          where the cockroaches

                                                                                          are?.

                                                                                          It's coming.

                                                                                          And if The FSC has a lick
                                                                                          of sense they better be
                                                                                          making sure their books are squeaky
                                                                                          clean too because Manwin is
                                                                                          the only thing that has kept them

                                                                                          afloat

                                                                                          the last few years.
                                                                                          Im reminded of an old John
                                                                                          Cougar Melloncamp

                                                                                          song?.

                                                                                          When The Walls Come
                                                                                          Crumbling

                                                                                          Down?
                                                                                          THE ABSOLUTE BEST VERSION!



                                                                                          Skype: CallTomNow

                                                                                          Comment

                                                                                          • epitome
                                                                                            So Fucking Lame
                                                                                            • Jun 2009
                                                                                            • 12156

                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Not sure how software is liable.

                                                                                            What I do know is that TMM John has a lot of fuck you money. I hope he uses some of it to tie you up in litigation for shits and giggles.

                                                                                            Comment

                                                                                            • epitome
                                                                                              So Fucking Lame
                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                              • 12156

                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Also fuck you for your shirty STD testing policies.

                                                                                              Your broke ass may be the next one to introduce an STD to the adult industry.

                                                                                              Fucking hypocrite. Manwin fucks with money. You fuck with peoples lives.

                                                                                              Comment

                                                                                              • ilnjscb
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jun 2009
                                                                                                • 8973

                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by ReggieDurango
                                                                                                that's a pretty sick collage
                                                                                                Are you the only one who got it? I put 5 minutes of my life into that!

                                                                                                Comment

                                                                                                • ReggieDurango
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Nov 2007
                                                                                                  • 4784

                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                  Are you the only one who got it? I put 5 minutes of my life into that!
                                                                                                  I appreciate those 5 minutes!

                                                                                                  Comment

                                                                                                  • Black All Through
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2010
                                                                                                    • 2078

                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by ShellShocked
                                                                                                    معرف شكل المضي قدما والرد عليه من قبل AVN وXBiz المطالبة ظنوا منه

                                                                                                    من MikeSouth.Com

                                                                                                    مطلوب بعض المعلومات الأساسية هنا لthoise التي لا تعرف التاريخ فبينس. كان فابيان Thylmann كبير المهندسين من تتبع البرمجيات التابعة دعا ناتس. وكانت زيارتها برنامج شامل جدا (لا يزال) الذي تم استخدامه من قبل أصحاب المواقع الكبار لتتبع ودفع الشركات التابعة لها من بين أمور أخرى، وناتس الكثير من الميزات.

                                                                                                    ومن المثير للاهتمام أن العديد من الميزات للمساعدة في ناتس بالضبط ما واتهم ممثلو الادعاء الألماني فابيان على القيام. ناتس يسمح لك بتحديد المفوترين على أساس كل بلد، والتي يمكن أن تشمل الواضح التأكد من أن العميل لا يشتري عضوية من شركة في نفس البلد .... وبالتالي تجنب الضرائب. يمكن للعملاء الأوروبيين على سبيل المثال إرسالها من خارج الاتحاد الأوروبي لشراء عضويتهم.

                                                                                                    كما أنها تعمل في اتجاه وغيرها ... التعاقد مع "الهواة" مشغلي كام في ألمانيا، ثم تدفع لهم من خلال شركة خارجية بدلا من دفع لهم مباشرة في ألمانيا. ويتم ذلك على وجه التحديد لتجنب ضرائب العمل وجميع المسؤوليات القانونية (وآثارها قانون العقود) التي توجد لو كانوا في القيام بأعمال تجارية مباشرة. قبل نقله في الخارج، فإنها يمكن أن يملي الى حد كبير لشروط العقد، مطالبة أن لا يكون مسؤولا عن القضايا مكان العمل أو الضرائب، وعموما تجاهل القانون المحلي.

                                                                                                    وهذا ما يفسر ضخم ... مثل لماذا Manwin لا يرسل شيكات لفناني الأداء (أو أي شخص حقا) بدلا من ذلك الحصول على التحويلات البرقية من البنوك خارج الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية. Tney استخدام هذا الهيكل نفسه من خلال كل من شركاتهم.

                                                                                                    وقد حصلت Manwin أن التعرق الرصاص على فبينس الاتهام ... قلت لك هذا هو الذهاب للتألق الضوء في زوايا حيث الصراصير هي .... انها قادمة.

                                                                                                    وإذا كان لدى FSC ذرة من إحساس أنهم الأفضل أن يتم التأكد من كتبهم نظيفة حاد جدا بسبب Manwin هو الشيء الوحيد الذي أبقى لهم واقفا على قدميه خلال السنوات القليلة الماضية.

                                                                                                    ايم ذكر من أغنية جون كوغار Melloncamp القديمة ... وعندما الجدران المتداعية أسفل تعال ...
                                                                                                    I want to buy contextual links on quality blogs
                                                                                                    For both Adult and mainstream niche - Small to massive packages

                                                                                                    Comment

                                                                                                    • AdultB2B
                                                                                                      Adult Site Broker
                                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                                      • 1493

                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      I hate to talk logically here Mike, but do you have proof that Fabian and Manwin did all of this, or is it just speculation on your part?

                                                                                                      Because some of the things you're saying here go beyond free speech and cross the lines of libel.
                                                                                                      Adult Site Broker - The Ethical Broker
                                                                                                      ASB Cash
                                                                                                      Adult Site Broker Talk

                                                                                                      Comment

                                                                                                      Working...