DarkJedi

heard it on the news

CDSmith

But according to some on this board, "the news" is just a big lying propaganda machine that is brainwashing us all.


So the war probably <i>REALLY</i> starts the day AFTER tomorrow.

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FlyingIguana

from what i see bush will tell saddam to leave or he gets blown the fuck up. he'll have 72 hours to jump on his camel and gtfo.

NoCarrier

Should start at the end of the week..

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Thrawn$

It's not a war, it's a Agression, btw it's stupid to ask Sadam to go away, he is a criminal and he must be arrested and where the fuck he gonna go? nobody want this guy in his country.

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Wizzo

What's the difference?


BTW- France would probley take him...

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directfiesta

But the US doesn't really care about Sadaam, the WMD, the population.... That why they will let him leave, like they let leave Duvalier ( Haiti), Somoza ( Nicaraga) and so on....

Don't need him to get their hands on the OIL!

Sly_RJ

Hey!

Did you ever answer my questions about your "IRAQ FACTS"?

No?

Why not? I'm looking for answers. Since you're so knowledgeable about Iraq facts, I figured you could help me out.

Help! Please!

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Gutterboy

Its more than that. Tens of million of dollars in contracts have already been awarded to U.S. companies.. Haliburton for instance.. to 'rebuild' Iraq after the invasion.

Sly_RJ

He's a criminal? How so? What crimes has he committed?

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Thrawn$

and your Questions is??

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DarkJedi

My only answer to you is that George W. Bush is a fashist.

Yo Adrian

Sadaam's supposed to be going into deep hiding today sometime....something tells me he's not going to agree to up and leave his country...

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ADL Colin

Halliburton has a contract? I don't think they have one yet. Do they?

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Sly_RJ

So in other words: YOU were talking out of your ass and repeating PROPAGANDA fed to YOU.

Great. Glad we established that. Thanks!

By the way, for anyone who didn't see the thread, enjoy: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=116326

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Sly_RJ

Actually, you're right. We should just fuck them over and not rebuild anything. Fine by me. More money in my pocket to buy more gas for my big SUV, even though gas really won't be such a big deal since prices will be dropping after we grab all the Iraqi oil.

Woohoo!

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Sly_RJ

No, seriously. I'm curious. A good chunk of the world doesn't seem to think that he's at the criminal level to warrant an "arrest". What makes him a criminal?

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Gutterboy

"The Bush plan, as detailed in more than 100 pages of confidential contract documents, would sideline United Nations development agencies and other multilateral organizations that have long directed reconstruction efforts in places such as Afghanistan and Kosovo.

The plan also would leave big nongovernmental organizations largely in the lurch: With more than $1.5 billion in Iraq work being offered to private U.S. companies under the plan, just $50 million is so far earmarked for a small number of groups such as CARE and Save the Children."

From Dow Jones news service yesterday. Gee I guess I was wrong, its not tens of millions, its billions.

KRL

Its already started boys.

US Army Rangers, 1st SFO D Units, Navy Seals, Marine Force Recon Units, Brit's SAS and CIA SAD units, Israeli LRRP's, are already on the move inside Iraq right now.

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directfiesta

I ewill find the link . I saw it a few weeks ago.

Meanwhile, see who and what they are....

"Following President Bush's demand for more corporate accountability, public interest group Judicial Watch, Inc., filed suit against Vice President Cheney and the Halliburton Company, alleging accounting fraud during Cheney's stewardship of Halliburton in the 1990s. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is also investigating Halliburton's accounting practices.
"

"Halliburton came under fire in the early '90s for supplying Libya and Iraq with oil drilling equipment which could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. Halliburton Logging Services, a former subsidiary, was charged with shipping six pulse neutron generators through Italy to Libya. In 1995, the company pled guilty to criminal charges that it violated the U.S. ban on exports to Libya. Halliburton was fined $1.2 million and will pay $2.61 million in civil penalties. "

Yes, you read right: millions, not billions..... Nice to have Texan friends....




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...tonprimer.html


Oh, it's propaganda from the Washington Post...

Thrawn$

When USA kick him out of Koweit, the bush father said to iraki pleople to make a revolution to kick out sadam and the US tropp will help them, so iraki people begin the revolution but the US troop never enter to bagdad because USA think that it will be dangerous to kick out sadam so the religious muslim fanatik will take over the gouvernement in bagdad. So Sadam kill something like 300 000 iraki people who start the revolution.

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Sly_RJ

What year was this? I'd like to read more.

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Gutterboy

Yeah, one of its subsidiaries is getting 10 or 20 mil or something. It was mentioned further down in the article.. unfortunately I didn't save the rest.

Yo Adrian

Embassy's have already been evacuated as well.....

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ADL Colin

Are you sure that wasn't for the contract in 1998?

Could you provide more info? I've been looking for this.

Thanks :-)

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Gutterboy

Kofi Annan just ordered all UN staff out of Iraq.

ChrisH

No it is actually upholding the Gulf War cease fire.

Gutterboy

I tried to find the whole article again but its not showing up in Google. I cut & pasted those 2 paragraphs to another forum yesterday... only reason I still had them.

Yes, I'm sure it wasn't the '98 thing.

directfiesta

Published on Saturday, July 13, 2002 in the New York Times
In Tough Times, a Company Finds Profits in Terror War
by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr


"From building cells for detainees at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba to feeding American troops in Uzbekistan, the Pentagon is increasingly relying on a unit of Halliburton called KBR, sometimes referred to as Kellogg Brown & Root.
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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0713-07.htm

Thrawn$

in 1564

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ADL Colin

I got "connection refused". Can you quote the part about Halliburton contracts in post-Saddam Iraq? I've seen a dozen or so posts on this subject but have never seen anything anywhere yet.

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Interlude

Yes, but not "beacuse the USA think that it will be dangerous to kick out sadam," - the UN made that decision, and told us not to remove Saddam. Unfortunate what happened after, but don't blame the US.

Interlude

Typical idiots trying to pass this off when they don't know anything. The contract was awarded to a company owned by Haliburton to clean up oil well fires in case Saddam decides to torch them like he did last time around. There are only two companies in the world capable of cleaning up these fires, and the other company was awarded the contract for Gulf War I.

Fucking people (not you, Colin) - do some reading before you make accusations. It's amazing that you same folks will claim the REST of us are "brainwashed."

directfiesta

No problem. After all, it is just propaganda :

"If Georgie didn't say it, it is not true!"

Published on Saturday, March 8, 2003 by the San Francisco Chronicle
Firm Linked to Cheney Wins Oil-Field Contract
by Edward Epstein

WASHINGTON -- A company tied to Vice President Dick Cheney has won a Pentagon contract for advice on rebuilding Iraq's oil fields after a possible war.



I certainly don't think this comes as much of a surprise. There are lots of business opportunities embedded in this war. It represents the larger oil and energy issues at stake.

Michael Renner
WorldWatch Institute
The contract was disclosed in the last paragraph of a Defense Department statement on preparations for Saddam Hussein's possible destruction of Iraq's oil fields in the event of a U.S.-led invasion. The statement calls for proposals on how to handle oil well fires and for assessing other damage to oil facilities. The contract went to Kellogg Brown & Root Services, which is owned by Halliburton Co., of which Cheney was chairman until his election in 2000.

The Houston company is a respected name in petroleum industry construction and one of a few companies capable of large-scale oil field reconstruction. But its ties to Cheney arouse suspicions among those who believe that a primary motive for a U.S. war in Iraq is oil.

"I certainly don't think this comes as much of a surprise," said Michael Renner, a researcher at WorldWatch Institute, commenting on the Halliburton contract, "There are lots of business opportunities embedded in this war. It represents the larger oil and energy issues at stake."

The White House wouldn't comment on how the contract might fuel such suspicions. "I deal with the reality of situations," said spokesman Ken Lisaius. "The president has made it abundantly clear about the threat that Saddam Hussein poses to us and our friends. We stand by to help rebuild a liberated Iraq."

NO COMMENT FROM CHENEY

Cheney's office declined comment, but a Halliburton spokeswoman told the Wall Street Journal that Kellogg Brown & Root has been doing government contracting since the 1940s. The Pentagon wouldn't discuss the exact size of the contract, nor how it was rewarded, saying the information is classified.

The initial Kellogg Brown & Root contract doesn't mean it has an inside track on later contracts potentially totaling billions of dollars to rehabilitate Iraq's oil fields, explore new ones and pump the increased supply.

Even if they emerge unscathed, Iraq's oil fields will need work performed by companies like Kellogg Brown & Root. Daily production has slumped during the past two decades, worn down by wars and, since 1991, by United Nations sanctions that barred imports of equipment. Daily output capacity is about 2 million barrels, down from 3.5 million barrels before Hussein took power in 1979.

With enough investment, it's thought Iraqi production could surge to 10 million to 12 million barrels a day within a decade.

Iraq's proven oil reserves of 112 billion barrels are the world's second- largest behind only Saudi Arabia. And there might be large untapped fields in Iraq ripe for exploration.

Renner is convinced that U.S. multinational oil industry firms would strike it rich in post-war Iraq. "Regime change in Baghdad would reshuffle the cards and give U.S. (and British) companies a good shot at direct access to Iraqi oil fields for the first time in 30 years -- a windfall worth hundreds of billions of dollars," he said.

Administration supporters say past history refutes claims that a war with Iraq is about oil.

"This bumper sticker mentality about oil was wrong in the 1991 Gulf War, and it's wrong now. We gave the oil back to Kuwait back then, and this war, at root, is about the nature of Saddam Hussein's regime," said James Phillips, foreign policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

REBUILDING TOOL

Administration officials have said they view Iraq's petroleum wealth as a tool for rebuilding. "Iraq's natural resources belong to all the Iraqi people and -- after decades of being used to build palaces and weapons of mass destruction -- will finally be used for their benefit, not Hussein's," wrote deputy national security adviser Steve Hadley in a recent op-ed article in the Washington Post.

In saying that, the White House is following international law, said David Caron, a professor at UC Berkeley's Boalt Hall School of Law. Under the 1907 Hague Convention, the United States would be present in Iraq as an occupying power and would hold the country's resources in trust.

It could rebuild Iraq's oil infrastructure, but probably would have to recognize contracts that oil companies from France, China and Russia have signed with Hussein's regime, even though their governments oppose a war.

"I don't think the United States would get into breaching contracts, but there would be room for new contracts to be let," Caron said.

Using an open bidding process that wouldn't favor American firms "would be wise politically," he added.

EXPERIENCE IN KUWAIT

In San Francisco, anti-war activists have accused the Bechtel Corp., the engineering firm that rebuilt Kuwait's oil fields after Hussein destroyed them in the 1991 Gulf War, of waiting to profit from a new conflict. Bechtel officials discount that assertion as nonsense.

Spokesman Jonathan Marshall said that while the company is proud of the work it did rebuilding Kuwait's fields, "Bechtel has never lobbied to create a political crisis there. We're not even at war yet, so it's premature to speculate."

But Marshall added that "I'm sure the United States government will consider Bechtel if there is work to be done."

A report by the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, a think tank created by the former secretary of state to the first President George Bush, warns the current administration not to show favoritism for American firms in rebuilding Iraq's oil industry.

"There should be a level playing field for all international players to participate in future repair, development and exploration efforts," the report said. "A heavy-handed American approach will only convince them (the Iraqis) . . . and the rest of the world that the operation against Iraq was undertaken for imperialist, rather than disarmament, reasons."

?2003 San Francisco Chronicle


and the link in case somebody thinks I can write that fast



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0308-05.htm

Sly_RJ

I figured as such. Do you have any links or search terms I could use to find more information about this "incident"?

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Thrawn$

Of course its the US fault! USA dont give a shit about UN

Do you know why Sadam enter to Koweit??

Do you Know what is the Capital of Koweit?? an arab country!

Koweit City !

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directfiesta

There is a second article, but I also get " refused"....

Do you think Dick Cheney already got to this?????

directfiesta

Got Dick to stop fucking with my Info... lol

"Published on Sunday, September 15, 2002 in the lndependent/UK
Fortunes of War Await Bush's Circle After Attacks on Iraq
by Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles

The last time the United States went to war against Iraq, Dick Cheney did very nicely from it.

Having served as Defense Secretary, and basked in the reflected glory of the US military's surprisingly rapid advance across the desert sands to end the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, he then managed to reap benefits of a very different kind once the war was over and he left government to become chief executive of Halliburton, the Texas-based oil services company.

When the United Nations relaxed its sanctions regime in 1998 and permitted Iraq to buy spare parts for its oil fields, it was Halliburton, under Mr Cheney's leadership, that cleaned up on the contract to repair war damage and get Saddam Hussein's oil pipes flowing at full capacity again. Two Halliburton subsidiaries did business worth almost $24m (£15m) with the man whom these days Mr Cheney calls a "murderous dictator" and "the world's worst leader".

Since taking over as George Bush's vice-president, Mr Cheney has severed all formal ties with his former employer, notably when he cashed in $36m in stock options and other benefits at the height of the market in August 2000. But Halliburton ? currently struggling with a corporate accounting scandal that may or may not implicate Mr Cheney ? could profit all over again if the much-threatened new war against Iraq comes to pass ..."



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0915-04.htm

foe

France

directfiesta

Show me where France has offered " refuge" to Sadaam ...

I personally heard Connecticut in the USA....