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I'd say that it's brought on by gung-ho conditioning. Or maybe just the thought process that he is right, the other person is wrong, and whatever he says goes - complete unawareness of over-reactions. I used to do it all the time myself until about 3 years ago, had no idea I was doing it, and of course it was completely, and at the time genuinely, justified in my mind.
He shouldn't have ran (haven't watched the video, got no desire to see a human die), but if you follow it through, what's the worst that happens? The guy gets away. All the 'he *might* have been a mass murderer, he *might* have been a serial rapist, he *might* have been a high level criminal - all that doesn't matter a fuck, because you have to act on what you *do* know, not on what-ifs.
^ that tangent aside, it becomes more about ego, and not wanting to lose face, or 'lose' the encounter, eg I remember my dawning moment when I was arguing with my 16 year old daughter who got home 10 minutes late for about the 100th time in a row - I realised it wasn't about being 10 minutes late, but about me wanting her to do exactly what I said, and I asked myself if I'd react the same way if say a buddy of mine was 10 minutes late every single time he came to pick me up. The answer was no, because (I realised however long later, when I had time to reflect) the dynamic of me/my friend isn't that I'm 'in charge' of him, whereas I thought I was 'in charge' of my daughter (obviously I am to a degree, but that's semantics).
Ok a different scenario, and fleeing from a copper isn't the same as a kid coming home 10 minutes late, but my point is there's a side of the ego that is so ingrained and immediate, that the dynamic of being 'in charge' therefore you MUST do what I say overrides the logic that not everyone is going to, and that isn't a reason to take things to extremes.
Unfortunately, it's my belief that to be a copper in the first place, you have to be a certain type of person... it's a bit catch-22, you need to have all the shitty human qualities (arroggance, narcissism, egoism, white knight syndrome) to want to be a copper in the first place, to then carry out the stuff that your good qualities (sense of justice... I've run out maybe someone can help me out here lol) aspire to.
I fucking despise coppers, but I'm not so dumb as to not realise I'm biased, cynical, and have a tendency to lump them all in the shitcunt category, when of course there are plenty of decent ones around (probably), and I've tried to be logical rather than emotional in this post, so take it for the opinion it is
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nice post
In my younger days (20+ years ago while a very different person) I was an out and out criminal, and while I never had to worry about being shot, if it was obvious I was caught, I used to 'come quietly' as they say
All I'll add is, I was only ever an asshole upon arrest if they were - it's like a game of sorts... I do my shit, they try to stop me - or at least catch me after the fact. I don't need to be an asshole because I got caught, that's just being a prick. If they turn out to be an asshole when they've actually won their fucking part of the game lol, then they'll get it back (fruitless as it is, that's just *my* ego kicking in).
Not only are most cops bad losers, they are also those fucking godawful gloating-type winners... in my experience that was 90% of them, of course you had the few who understood it wasn't personal and where there was a kind of mutual respect of the other one's 'job'
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[QUOTE=blackmonsters;20442495]Giving advise that to stay alive you shouldn't resist arrest is defending a cop? Telling someone that to prevent over reaction by police you should avoid resisting arrest is NOT condoning police violence it's common sense.
In almost every one of the shootings we argue about the guy getting shot would be alive today if he surrendered peacefully after being apprehended.
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[QUOTE=L-Pink;20442503]It's not, but it's kinda separate. It's like saying don't answer your husband if he's drunk and he won't flip out and beat the shit out of you. Completely factual, but diverting blame, even if it's 1%, away from where the blame needs to 100% go
It's human nature for some to run, it's human nature for some wives to answer back in the heat of the moment, it's human nature that I talk back and act like an asshole to someone who is an asshole to me, even if I know I'm gonna get the shit kicked out of me, but there's just zero way it's acceptable to shoot someone for running from the law, just like it's wholly wrong to stab a child for smart mouthing. It's dumb of a kid to smart-mouth a parent with a history of stabbing them, but much like these people who run because they have outstanding child support payments, that kind of over-reaction completely cancels out the first action, because they are literally too stupid, and don't have the mental capacity to understand there's gonna be a bad outcome. As much as I like to joke around, or reference darwin's award, or whatever, you just can't kill someone for being of a dumb IQ. I think that's what the others are saying (well obviously), but they aren't getting where you're coming from, dareisay because it's kinda irrelevant *within this set of circumstances*. He shouldn't have got behind on his payments, or had a busted taillight - which he most likely knew about, but like you said earlier - knowingly broke that law because he'd gamble on taking the consequence, same as he gambled on running and taking that consequence. You spoke earlier of how you know you break some laws - what if one day you hit the news because a psycho cop kills you, and a bunch of people on the internet said 'yeah but he didn't have his seatbelt on, he *knew* that was wrong, if he hadn't done that, he'd be alive today'. They'd be stating fact, but it wouldn't really be relevant in a thread somewhere about a berserk cop over-reacting
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^ or crockett posting about how if the victims of that guy with the revenge porn site hadn't posed for nude pics etc the end result wouldn't have happened. It's factual, but shifting even a tiny portion away from the actual issueComment
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Ok, but you quoted the wrong guy.
It's not, but it's kinda separate. It's like saying don't answer your husband if he's drunk and he won't flip out and beat the shit out of you. Completely factual, but diverting blame, even if it's 1%, away from where the blame needs to 100% go
It's human nature for some to run, it's human nature for some wives to answer back in the heat of the moment, it's human nature that I talk back and act like an asshole to someone who is an asshole to me, even if I know I'm gonna get the shit kicked out of me, but there's just zero way it's acceptable to shoot someone for running from the law, just like it's wholly wrong to stab a child for smart mouthing. It's dumb of a kid to smart-mouth a parent with a history of stabbing them, but much like these people who run because they have outstanding child support payments, that kind of over-reaction completely cancels out the first action, because they are literally too stupid, and don't have the mental capacity to understand there's gonna be a bad outcome. As much as I like to joke around, or reference darwin's award, or whatever, you just can't kill someone for being of a dumb IQ. I think that's what the others are saying (well obviously), but they aren't getting where you're coming from, dareisay because it's kinda irrelevant *within this set of circumstances*. He shouldn't have got behind on his payments, or had a busted taillight - which he most likely knew about, but like you said earlier - knowingly broke that law because he'd gamble on taking the consequence, same as he gambled on running and taking that consequence. You spoke earlier of how you know you break some laws - what if one day you hit the news because a psycho cop kills you, and a bunch of people on the internet said 'yeah but he didn't have his seatbelt on, he *knew* that was wrong, if he hadn't done that, he'd be alive today'. They'd be stating fact, but it wouldn't really be relevant in a thread somewhere about a berserk cop over-reacting
You're looking at the dead guys actions from the point of reference that has *your* intelligence, not his, is what I'm guessing people are getting upset about.
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In what country is it legal for cops to shoot at fleeing suspects? Rwanda? Nazi Germany?
No one is claiming its smart to run from cops, but to use it as some kind of justification is simply a diversion. You either hold cops to a higher standard than everyone else or a lower standard. If your argument is don't run and you won't get shot because cops are to stressed out then you are holding cops to a lower standard than criminals.
Funny how conservatives hate the govt, doesnt trust the govt, yet they have no problem with govt agents shooting people in the back. It defies logic.Comment
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People always show up pretending that "if only he hadn't resisted this wouldn't happen". Duh, really?
Here's what we can know with 100% certainty. There will always be someone who doesn't obey, tries to resist and tries to run away. Period. Cops know that. They train for it. The one person in this situation who has received training and certification in handling this is the one charged with murder. So stop pretending you can go back in time and say this is the point where it could have been avoided. You can do that for anything and everything and it's completely useless other than post count plus one.
For every one you see there are 50 more. He planted evidence, invented the story and was getting away with it. Until the video came out.
Like the wild eyed road rage cop. He had 12 prior incidents in the preceding 10 years and many had complaints that he'd acted similarly and he was never punished. Until the video came out.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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It's not, but it's kinda separate. It's like saying don't answer your husband if he's drunk and he won't flip out and beat the shit out of you. Completely factual, but diverting blame, even if it's 1%, away from where the blame needs to 100% go
It's human nature for some to run, it's human nature for some wives to answer back in the heat of the moment, it's human nature that I talk back and act like an asshole to someone who is an asshole to me, even if I know I'm gonna get the shit kicked out of me, but there's just zero way it's acceptable to shoot someone for running from the law, just like it's wholly wrong to stab a child for smart mouthing. It's dumb of a kid to smart-mouth a parent with a history of stabbing them, but much like these people who run because they have outstanding child support payments, that kind of over-reaction completely cancels out the first action, because they are literally too stupid, and don't have the mental capacity to understand there's gonna be a bad outcome. As much as I like to joke around, or reference darwin's award, or whatever, you just can't kill someone for being of a dumb IQ. I think that's what the others are saying (well obviously), but they aren't getting where you're coming from, dareisay because it's kinda irrelevant *within this set of circumstances*. He shouldn't have got behind on his payments, or had a busted taillight - which he most likely knew about, but like you said earlier - knowingly broke that law because he'd gamble on taking the consequence, same as he gambled on running and taking that consequence. You spoke earlier of how you know you break some laws - what if one day you hit the news because a psycho cop kills you, and a bunch of people on the internet said 'yeah but he didn't have his seatbelt on, he *knew* that was wrong, if he hadn't done that, he'd be alive today'. They'd be stating fact, but it wouldn't really be relevant in a thread somewhere about a berserk cop over-reacting
You're looking at the dead guys actions from the point of reference that has *your* intelligence, not his, is what I'm guessing people are getting upset about.
Good points. thanks.
Sometimes stating the obvious isn't obvious. lol
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Of course, and if people would stop looking at free porn, all of our sales would be way way up. Also amazingly simple concept to grasp. Was it helpful? Does it really bear repeating every time someone complains about sales? It's like saying "I like turtles".43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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Hey Suckonthis, no disrespect, I know this is your thread, but wtf are you saying? I stated a simple fact. Did this man deserve to get killed? NO. I already said that if you provoke a cop, you don't know if you're dealing with one of the bad ones who do this shit expecting to get away with it. This fucker planted a taser on the guy he killed. Without the video he would totally get away with this murder.Earn Recurring Money with ➜ Live Adult Webcams | CrakRevenue | Dream Cash
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The cop should be sent to prison for the maximum time required by law, for murder.Comment
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That used to be legal to do until it was found being abused and too many people were being killed. I'm afraid the police are simply going to have to stop shooting too many people. It really couldn't be more obvious that this is entirely their problem. But that doesn't seem to be taking hold for a lot of people yet.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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The cop seemed pretty calm about the whole situation, just another day at the office. Make sure you have all your bases covered for the shooting review, Shot unarmed black man, check. Plant evidence near body, check. State the man was going for my gun or I was in fear of my life, check. Write up and falsify report, check. Did we miss anything?
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Had there been no video he would not have been charged. Can you imagine how many times something like this has happened in the past.Bryan
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Maybe Black Americans just need to start buying LOTS of guns... AR-15's - Glocks - 45's - 12 ga. Shotguns - 357 Magnums - 38 snub nose specials... Just start buying the CRAP outta guns!!!
If cops start fearing these folks in these neighborhoods just might start shooting back then maybe they will think twice about using KILLING PEOPLE as a first option.
Thats the way white people look at it right? If we ALL live in fear of being shot than the crime rate goes down and we have nothing to fear... And what most of these cops doing the shooting these days are doing is a crime.
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i decided to do some googling to answer my question re: the chemicals involved in that cop's hyper reaction and i came across some interesting and new research, if anyone is interested
basically, it seems to be a decrease in serotonin, an increase in oxytocin and a release of
arginine-vasopressin (avp)
the decrease in serotonin detail:
perhaps this cop has had a series of unchecked aggressive behavior that led to an even lower level of serotonin.The brain chemical serotonin has long been known to play an important role in regulating anger and aggression. Low cerebrospinal fluid concentrations of serotonin have even been cited as both a marker and predictor of aggressive behavior.
New studies from the Netherlands, however, indicate that this serotonin-deficiency hypothesis of aggressiveness may be too simple. "Serotonin deficiency appears to be related to pathological, violent forms of aggressiveness, but not to the normal aggressive behavior that animals and humans use to adapt to everyday survival," says Sietse de Boer, PhD, of the University of Groningen.
Furthermore, research now suggests that unchecked aggressive behavior can eventually change the brain in ways that cause serotonin activity to decrease-and, perhaps, violent behavior to increase.
the detail on oxytocin and avp:
Brain Chemicals Involved In Aggression Identified: May Lead To New Treatments -- ScienceDailyResearchers have identified, for the first time, that the release of a neurotransmitter called arginine-vasopressin (AVP) in an area of the brain called the amygdala helps regulate maternal aggression-a behavior that ensures the survival of the offspring. Although the study was conducted using rat dams, maternal aggression occurs in all mammals, including humans.
"By understanding the brain pathways underlying maternal aggression in rodents, we're also gaining deeper understanding of regulation of maternal behavior in general," says Oliver Bosch, PhD, of the University of Regensburg, in Germany.
Much of the past research into the neurobiology of maternal aggression has focused on oxytocin, a neurotransmitter released in the brain during birth and breastfeeding. Oxytocin reduces anxiety and fear, a factor that is believed to enable new mothers to more aggressively face intruders that might harm their offspring.
In his new study, Bosch investigated whether AVP also plays a role in the regulation of maternal aggressiveness. Found in all mammals, AVP is synthesized in the brain and then released to the kidneys, where it helps regulate the body's retention of water. More recently, AVP has been implicated in male aggression and other social behavior, particularly pair-bonding between sexual partners.
and also a very recent harvard study that points to gun violence being an anger issue and not a mental health issue.
Harvard Study Finds Anger Issues, Not Major Mental Illness, Tied To Gun Violence
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I'm saying you cannot claim you don't blame the guy and in the same sentence add if he hadn't ran it wouldn't have happened, because that is in fact blaming the guy. It's no different than saying if he'd never met any of his baby's mothers, he wouldn't have gone out with them, wouldn't have had sex with them, wouldn't have had children, he wouldn't have had to pay child support and he wouldn't have gotten behind and wouldn't have a had a family court warrant out for him. If he'd just bought a new car, then he wouldn't have had a busted taillight that caused him to get pulled over. If any of that had happened, he never would have come in contact with this cop and he never would have gotten shot. See how that works? Instead of focusing on the real issue, a cop committing murder.Comment
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It doesn't much matter who's right or wrong if you are dead. You'll never get rid of all cops who are inept, crooked, crack under pressure.
When dealing with someone who not only has a gun but a badge to go with it cover your ass. Don't do anything stupid. Be polite, don't resist, tell your side in court, live to see another day.
What I'm saying can be put to good use starting today! Now! Good luck getting the nations police departments revamped ever. I have an immediate common sense solution to needless shootings, you just bitch.
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he will spend alot of time in jail
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