why is my comment inane? because it's obviously true?

country envy? wtf.. yeah I'm envious of the Patriot Act, yeah I'm envious of a bunch of bible bashing warmongers..

I would be guessing but I'd say the USA is one of the less 'free' countries in the western hemisphere.

Lots to be envious of

Actually it's a good thing if China and other countries to have a good economy for the US as well.

I would also like to add that one of the reasons China's economy is doing so well is it's trade with the US.

I started this thread because I was not surprised to see that many people would like to see the US out of the UN. What they don't see how much we contribute to the world through the UN as far as world aid and many other things.

There is so much shit going on in the world and the US can not make it all perfect. In fact look at Argentina it's been taken over by a self proclaimed dictator and we have not invaded it. They have huge oil supplies but they are not a terrorist threat to the US so basically we stay out and hope their people can get democracy back in their country.

ignorance is bliss.

thats why if the US thumbs their nose at the UN and goes in, the UN won't do shit to the states. they don't have the balls to piss off american because of all the money that the states pumps through the UN.

They're owning us up? LOL

In which way?

btw, the US has only been around at all since 1776. We must be owning the rest of the world up.

What's obvious is that you are clueless. Your point was inane...useless... because of the fact that over 20 years anything can happen in the world. You came off here saying China will "own" the US in 15 years, then you back-peddle and say nothing is "immutable"..... you're a real brainiac there pal. Nothing like stating the obvious.Again, completely clueless.

Bible bashing?? Right there youi lost me. What exactly does that mean?

Removing Saddam and attempting to nullify Iraq's threat in the middle east smacks of preserving and ensuring future peace, not war-mongering. Again you're out to lunch.

"Less free"?? You live in sheepville, what would you know about living in the USA? Buddy....boobie....... if it wasn't for the USA you 'Zealanders would very likely be speaking Japanese right now.



The only one that seems to be "Bashing" here is you goof.

yeah i was talking relatively, lots of jobs are being outsourced to asia..

Obviously since 1776 the US has outperformed, but China's economy is ramping.. but you missed the point..

Livedose: which part is ignorant?

Yeah, China had what?... a 3000 year head start on you, and they're just now getting a powerful economy?? Too bad they can't get their overpopulation in check.

Must be slow starters.

When's India due to own us up? They have over 1 billion people, too.

What I meant by bible bashing. Is that the core of the administration are quite zealously Christain and see everything in terms of good/evil, black and white things aren't that simple.

Iraq there's no good reason the USA can't wait three months for their war to try and placate the rest of the world. If they did at least that it might appear that they gave a shit. A good reason is not we've already waited 12 years. The real reason is we already have our military there lets get it over with coz this shit is expensive, at least be honest.

CDSmith, I'm impressed by your intellectual skills also.

Can we really leave the UN? Can we please?

I'm sure we could use that nice building they have in New York. Let's do something really bad to make the UN kick us out. That would be so great.

European Union is next! It's all coming down baby!

Globalization? Suck my cock. Globalization won't work any better than Communism. Why try it?

thank god, the one i'm building keeps crashing.

hey bible people, isn't globalization the devil's plot or something?

The owning up has already commenced.

foreigners to displace U.S. employees

Sure. Then we can wait another 3 months. And another. And another.

Wasn't this shit supposed to go down last month anyway? Enough already. Let's get it over with. Time to move on with our lives.

I suppose every ho can get a little crazy now and then and cut her pimp up.. but if she doesn't kill him, she better pray theres an afterlife right?

This whole fucking thing stinks Amp.

But it sounds like it's your job to hold your nose when asked to, so I understand where your coming from.

This is pure BS. Maybe you missed the past few days where the President has been meeting with "the rest of the world" in the Azores to again talk about their views and concerns and talk over what is to be done here.


Christ, people have been saying "give them more time, give them more chances" for years now. YEARS. When is enough really enough?




It's always easy to criticize the US and the American president while sitting up in the cheap seats. Armchair critics like you don't have all the facts, you don't have all the intel reports that the president has, you don't have hundreds of deep-cover operatives feeding you the facts, yet you people purport yourselves as being wiser and more intelligent than the president? Yeah, right. Why exactly should anyone listen to you?

are you kidding? he had a meeting with three other countries.

Just before leaving for Helsinki, Finland, early in September 1990 to discuss the Persian Gulf crisis at his summit meeting with Soviet President Gorbachev, President George Bush expressed the hope that "the foundation for the new world order would be laid in Helsinki" and that it would be established under the United Nations. At the news conference with Gorbachev following their historic meeting, President Bush declared optimistically: "If the nations of the world, acting together, continue as they have been we will set in place the cornerstone of an international order more peaceful than any that we have known."




Bush Sr. Said that (in bold).

heh even Bush Snr has sounded caution about the unilateral approach of Jnr. Come on don't tell me you think Bush Jnr is the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Times Online

Okay, time to quote my buddy Mojo from another board.....



"Oh please

- "W" has a Harvard MBA. It's one of the hardest degrees to attain. There are no "free rides" at Harvard wether your dad's a big shot or not. In fact, from what I hear, they are even harder on you if you come from a famo9us background.

-"W" flew jet fighters in the Army Reserves. Do you know how much knowledge and training is required to simply fly a jet? Now couple that with combat flying tactics. And keep in mind that every last bit of that knowledge has to be ready for you because in air combat almost every decision every second is life or death.

I read GFY and I chuckle at some of the morons on there who make fun of my nations president for being "stupid" when most of them have probably flunked out of high school and can probably not even drive a manual transmission car."


Enough Bush-bashing. You aren't qualified to shine the man's belt buckle for fuck sakes.

The United States created the UN for one thing: http://www.un.org/aboutun/history.htm

Second, the UN will be even MORE irrelevant than it already is without the United States' military power. Imagine having laws in your country without a police force.

be careful what you wish for..... please!:uhoh

very true..!
uneducated news reporters...

Actually i'm 4 months from being a medical doctor.

Again you're deluded if you think "W" got into Harvard on his credentials..

<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/feb2001/nf20010215_777.htm">Business Week</a>

What does that have to do with anything? I've worked closely with dozens of doctors, and I can assure you that being a doctor may qualify someone as medically intelligent, but it has no bearing on their political intellect. In fact, there are as many otherwise dumbass doctors as in any other profession. Next point... Critics are a dime a dozen. Big deal. That article conveniently holds no commentary on Bush's aviation experience as quoted above.


Fact is, the man is president, you and the other Bush-bashers are not. And things in Iraq are going to happen the way they're going to happen REGARDLESS of all the ubersquawking you people do day in and day out.


guess it would be too much to ask for guys like Joesuxpack (for example) to just give their keyboards and their mouths a rest? Ya, I thought so.

Even if there is a UN resolution, who do you think will be the one to burden 99.9999999% of the costs/man power/supplies/etc. ?

There is a reason you don't want to take orders from a 6 year old child. Or, in the case of the UN, an entire classroom of children telling the teacher what to do.