Psychology Today:Dogs Don't Remember

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  • Dvae
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    • Feb 2005
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    #1

    Psychology Today:Dogs Don't Remember

    This must be devastating to some.


    Dogs are wonderful creatures. Our dogs recognize me and are always happy to see me. Dogs are also smart and successful creatures. Our dogs have learned several cute tricks. But dogs (and other non-human animals) are missing something we take for granted: episodic memory. Dogs don't remember what happened yesterday and don't plan for tomorrow.

    In defining episodic memory, Endel Tulving argued that it is unique to humans. Experience influences all animals. Most mammals and birds can build complex sets of knowledge or semantic memory. You and I also remember the experience of learning these complex sets of information. Dogs don't.

    Episodic remembering is mental time travel and depends on a few crucial cognitive capabilities. First, in order to experience episodic remembering, an individual must have a sense of self. Most non-human animals have a dramatically different experience of self than we do. For example, most animals (and young humans) fail to identify themselves in mirrors. If I look in a mirror and see that I have something stuck between my teeth, I try to correct the problem. (I also wonder why my friends didn't tell me I had something stuck between my teeth.) In contrast, put a red dot on a child's forehead, put the child in front of a mirror, and watch what happens. Young children are more likely to reach for the baby in the mirror than for their own foreheads. Dogs treat the dog in the mirror as another dog; not as themselves. Most animals fail at the red dot mirror task.


    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-dont-remember
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  • bronco67
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    • Dec 2006
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    #2
    I had a feeling that my dog doesn't sit around all day thinking about me.

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    • blackmonsters
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      #3
      Originally posted by Dvae
      This must be devastating to some.


      Dogs are wonderful creatures. Our dogs recognize me and are always happy to see me. Dogs are also smart and successful creatures. Our dogs have learned several cute tricks. But dogs (and other non-human animals) are missing something we take for granted: episodic memory. Dogs don't remember what happened yesterday and don't plan for tomorrow.

      In defining episodic memory, Endel Tulving argued that it is unique to humans. Experience influences all animals. Most mammals and birds can build complex sets of knowledge or semantic memory. You and I also remember the experience of learning these complex sets of information. Dogs don't.

      Episodic remembering is mental time travel and depends on a few crucial cognitive capabilities. First, in order to experience episodic remembering, an individual must have a sense of self. Most non-human animals have a dramatically different experience of self than we do. For example, most animals (and young humans) fail to identify themselves in mirrors. If I look in a mirror and see that I have something stuck between my teeth, I try to correct the problem. (I also wonder why my friends didn't tell me I had something stuck between my teeth.) In contrast, put a red dot on a child's forehead, put the child in front of a mirror, and watch what happens. Young children are more likely to reach for the baby in the mirror than for their own foreheads. Dogs treat the dog in the mirror as another dog; not as themselves. Most animals fail at the red dot mirror task.


      https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-dont-remember
      And that's why dogs bury food and bones in the ground, so they can forget them right?



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      • bronco67
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        #4
        Originally posted by blackmonsters
        And that's why dogs bury food and bones in the ground, so they can forget them right?



        Why Does My Dog Hide His Bones? | PEDIGREEĀ®
        You don't need a memory when your sense of smell is thousands of times more precise than a human's.

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        • Dvae
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          • Feb 2005
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          #5
          Originally posted by blackmonsters
          And that's why dogs bury food and bones in the ground, so they can forget them right?



          Why Does My Dog Hide His Bones? | PEDIGREEĀ®
          Think about this, maybe it has nothing do with memory. The dogs sense of smell is 100 times better than humans he buries the bone and then locates it by sense of smell.
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          • bronco67
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            #6
            Originally posted by Dvae
            Think about this, maybe it has nothing do with memory. The dogs sense of smell is 100 times better than humans he buries the bone and then locates it by sense of smell.
            It's actually more like 10,000 to 100,000 -- which is almost unfathomable. When I cook bacon, I don't even know how my dog holds his shit together.

            Dogs have shit vision, and their world is experienced through the nostrils.

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            • Jel
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              • Feb 2007
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              #7
              So the dog knows where the bone is, or at the least, that there is a bone buried, but doesn't remember doing the burying - sounds pretty much in tune with what the article is getting at.

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              • Jel
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                • Feb 2007
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                #8
                Originally posted by bronco67
                It's actually more like 10,000 to 100,000 -- which is almost unfathomable. When I cook bacon, I don't even know how my dog holds his shit together.

                Dogs have shit vision, and their world is experienced through the nostrils.
                and I thought my cock was impressive to look at, you're telling me it just stinks of something that makes my dog wag it's tail?

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                • blackmonsters
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bronco67
                  You don't need a memory when your sense of smell is thousands of times more precise than a human's.
                  So is the dog thinking ahead that he will be able to smell and find the food tomorrow?
                  Or is he just burying it because like WTF?

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                  • bronco67
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by blackmonsters
                    So is the dog thinking ahead that he will be able to smell and find the food tomorrow?
                    Or is he just burying is because like WTF?

                    He doesn't think about it, because like INSTINCT.

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                    • blackmonsters
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                      • Nov 2002
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by bronco67
                      It's actually more like 10,000 to 100,000 -- which is almost unfathomable. When I cook bacon, I don't even know how my dog holds his shit together.

                      Dogs have shit vision, and their world is experienced through the nostrils.
                      What about squirrels, do they remember what tree hole they put the nuts in or do they
                      sniff it out like a dog?

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                      • blackmonsters
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by bronco67
                        He doesn't think about it, because like INSTINCT.
                        Yep, instinct is how we explain everything that appears to be intelligent in the lower beings.

                        The dog has a brain but somehow the dog ain't thinking; the brain just keeps the tail wagging.

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                        • MiamiBoyz
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                          #13
                          My dog has a better memory that I do!

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                          • AdultKing
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dvae
                            Dogs treat the dog in the mirror as another dog; not as themselves.
                            This is all theoretical bullshit.

                            My dog goes fucking ballistic if she sees another dog on the tv, through the window, driving past one in a car, yet seeing herself on the tv in home videos or walking past the many mirrors in this house doesn't do a thing.

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                            • bronco67
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                              Yep, instinct is how we explain everything that appears to be intelligent in the lower beings.

                              The dog has a brain but somehow the dog ain't thinking; the brain just keeps the tail wagging.

                              I don't think it's about brain function. As I type this right now, I'm not thinking "index finger hit the g key".

                              I'm saying a dog can't plan things in advance or contemplate life like humans do. They don't have language. A dog can show fear, but it doesn't even know what death or injury is.

                              We're scared of death because we understand abstract concepts. If you leave your dog alone for 3 hours, it may as well be 3 minutes or vice versa because he doesn't understand what time is. I just realized how ridiculous this conversation is, but it's kind of interesting because dogs are so close to us.

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