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thread caught fire.

Simpleton? I've never been described as a simpleton before...... many things but not a simpleton so I'm adding that into my "New Names By Dyna" bag. :1orglaugh

It's precisely that we understand the enemy that we able to out think them and out play them on their own terms. The complexity of this issue is not to turn this into a war ISIS & Al Qaida want and that's what the challenge is. Bush fell into that trap by doing exactly what Bin Laden and if history looks back, its going to see that it was a turning point.

You do anything remotely that risks turning this into us versus Islam or us versus Muslims and don't think selfishly, just use common sense....

30,000 (self styled Medieval Warriors) are causing serious problems in the world.

Give them the war THEY want, attack Islam attack Muslims on their home turf and it's just a recruiting tool.

Then you can be talking about a group with 3 million Warriors or more. ISIS and Al Qaida will be in the rear view mirror and we'll have real problems in the world.

I have noticed recently that we rarely agree on anything; this will be a day to remember.

German is easier.

no what? no 'BO' didn't pay mercenaries to help overthrow the syrian government in order to establish a government 'more friendly' in order to build a bunch of pipelines etc etc?

or no 'BO' didn't pay a bunch of mercenaries to take out the libyan government creating a vacuum of heavily armed fighters who may or may not have some serious connections to the AQ peeps?

or no, 'BO' isn't still paying 'more moderate rebels' to continue fighting the good fight against a government that seemed able to handle matters we can not?

or no, NATO now is flying bombing campaigns in syria, something they have been trying to do for the past year or so, but currently able to do on the justification that they're 'fighting ISIS' or 'ISIL' or whatever their name is today

or no, the comment you agreed to was the BO expanded ISIS in Syria, that's patently false.

I'm not name calling when I pointed out you are a simpleton, just like it's not name calling to point out someone with blue eyes has blue eyes.


and i am using common sense, you fail to read. I already stated the ONLY solution is the USA not escalate this


maybe read better before you start hurling your bullshit at me. Or next time, don't get your fucking panties torqued up because someone answers the thread question different from you.

Again, IS is motivated by religious ideology. It doesn't matter 1 single shit if people like you read that and conclude the entire muslim world is the same. but because of that it is beyond fucking stupid that our military strategy cannot embrace reality because of people like you.

John Kerry Admits Syria Rebels' Extremist Groups Are 'Best Fighters'

'Kerry described the "bad guys," as he called them, as a minority in the opposition, estimating that they make up 15 percent to 25 percent of the fighters.'

you know, the 15-25% fighters that somehow turned into the ISIS? and this is an overall discussion on arming these 15-25% fighters, which include Al Qaeda fighters.

for libya, if you look up these sections and corresponding references:

Composition of rebel forces

and citation numbers '46' / '47' etc

most likely a thorough read of the entire page and corresponding citations will give you a clearer view of how badly the entire operation was messed up, considering the region is now in the throws of a civil war, including the 'ISIS' group claiming to use libya as a gateway into europe.

Why ISIS in Libya is a direct threat to Europe - CBS News

but hey, 'patently' sounds real good. congratulations.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh nevermind

You wanna hear a funny joke?

RELIGION

That's it, that's the joke.

You couldn't be more wrong. Let me guess, you never studied neither?

Well, duh. You think more than a few of these theological experts have even read either?:error

If Obama rode a nuclear missile into Mecca like Slim Pickens in Dr Strangelove, conservatives would complain that he didn't sing the national anthem on the way down.

It doesn't matter what stance he takes because they'll complain about it so they look better to their mouthbreather base.

Sort of like Morons like you that whined and bitched about Bush being a war monger, then voting for Obama after he promised more troops being sent to Afghanistan.

I complain about specific things, which you it seems are unable to counter with anything more creative than you hate Obama!

I voted for Bush both times like you...but the difference now is I'm probably the one who realizes his administration was a gang of war mongers. ISIS would not exist today if George W Bush hadn't needlessly gone into Iraq to finish his poppy's job. Actually I blame Rumsfeld and Cheney more than anyone.

Bush's Iraq war is now the biggest military debacle in the history of our country. You know that right? When you think about the far reaching implications it has on the security of this nation, it even outweighs Vietnam. Bringing up Iraq like it's some feather in conservatives cap is hardly un-moronic. Since you like to go around calling people obviously smarter than you morons.

What is it about his approach you don't like? You have problems with measured calculations? Or is scorched earth policy what you want? They're dropping bombs, and they're waging a financial and social war -- and probably fighting on many other fronts neither one of us could imagine. What is it you actually want from Obama? For him to put together those two words that Fox news yammers on about all fucking day? Would that be enough?

Bottom line is, you right wingnuts make too much out of ISIS because you have a thing with fear. You're afraid of scary black people raping you, so you carry a gun. You're scared of Mexicans coming to take your tax money. You're scared of the big bad government taking away your freedom. You're scared of gay people ruining your institution of marriage. You're scared of women making a choice about their own pregnancies. It's all about fear.

ISIS isn't coming to get you. It's more likely a garbage truck tire will fly into your window and kill you on your couch.

IS is more about Netanyahu's war crimes klan. US is just stuck between the toilet and the septic tank.

long story short: no

Here is a "Black Man With A Plan:"

LIVE FROM CPAC: Ben Carson unveils earth-shattering plan to defeat ISIS - Salon.com

I didn't vote for Bush the second time and I'm not right wing and the government HAS taken away some of our freedoms, aren't you paying attention?

on that we can agree.

I'm not even sure why our govt. acknowledged their existence in the first place.

Wait...yes I do. Because once we recognized them and the govt. set the media to talking about them 24 hours a day...they were able to recruit thousands and become a "threat" to the countries that we have invaded.

So now the U.S. govt. can continue to scare the shit out of the American people, keep searching us at airports, keep a giant military, and justify tapping our phones and reading our emails.

That you're not paying attention?

you mean this one ?

I'm paying attention to the fact that your answer to my post had almost nothing to do with my post, and was more or less another insult. All you do is act grumpy, insult people and post regurgitated opinions from hacky websites instead of insight.

Look back, I corrected your post on 3 points, so I guess you are not paying attention again?

And you bitch about an insult with an insult in the same breath?

nevermind is the right answer because none of that supports the comment that the USA expanded ISIS in Syria.


i'm not surprised you're impressed by such big words like "patently".

Fixed it for you :2 cents:

Queen Rania of Jordan basically agrees with what I said.... and she puts it really well:

Only an idiot would demonize all Muslims simply due to Isis being Muslims. They're humans too so that means we would kill all humans if we admit, you know, they're humans.

Again. For a military strategy to work it has to be realistic about the enemy.

Let's see...the President said less than a year ago on June 2014 about ISIS:
“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant.”

So he was wrong there.

And what was that he told Romney during the 2012 debates about Russia not being a threat and that Romney was stuck in the 1950's for thinking they were?

To supposedly be so smart, our President sure is wrong about a lot of stuff ("healthcare" anyone?)

Warfare is about momentum. When the "Jayvee team" was allowed to build momentum, they attracted more followers, gained more momentum and then attracted more followers and so on. There could not have possibly been a single person in Obama's administration Who understands armed conflict that wasn't saying "hey, if we don't deal with this now, we'll soon be dealing with a monster that will be many times more difficult to deal with". As with the immutable laws of physics, so are the laws of armed conflict. Denying them doesn't change them, it only strengthens the wnemy.

I hope this is true...

The Islamic State appears to fray from within - The Washington Post

it's pretty much what I've been saying about ISIS in these threads. They won't be able to sustain their Islamic utopia in the long run -- especially not with bombs dropping all over their heads constantly.

Don't keep listening to Fox News and Republican war mongers acting like ISIs is the new apocalypse. They're a bunch of fucking monkeys who will never get their dream off the ground because they are their own worst enemy.

Iran is taking care of them in ... IRAQ:2 cents:

I can't understand how it is that the people haven't learned the lesson yet. It seems like every new boogeyman that comes along and the politicians get all fired up to send in the military AGAIN.

And it seems like the general public are in agreement! :(

Wasn't it just like a year ago that the polls were showing that the U.S. public was tired of these stupid "non-wars"?

Why worry at all about an army of of 40,000-50,000+ murderous thugs on a rampage slaughtering men, women and children with a death toll well over 50,000 and growing daily as they take over cities, military bases, oil fields and gather recruits? Why care at all as men, women and children are executed? Why care that children are routinely sold as sex slaves? Why care that they are rampaging through museums destroying 1000-2000-3000+ year old artifacts? Why care that they grow in numbers and have the singular goal of wiping you off the face of the earth? Why care that they took over a large swath of the region?

You guys are all so right. It's basically a non issue. I'm sure every parent that was forced to watch their child raped and beheaded or crucified or sold as a sex slave would agree with you,... you know... i mean they would if they were still alive to agree.

Exactly.......

Mountain

Molehill

ISIS needs to be defeated

Seems to me that they weren't that big of a deal until the media started promoting them 24-7.

And then once the U.S. started bombing them...their numbers grew exponentially and the money started flowing in like a river.

It's like hitting the jackpot to have the U.S. come after you. :(

So ... "i don't like government and rules" .. .i get that. But where do you draw the line when innocent people are being murdered wholesale by an armed force that is growing and gaining momentum? There has to be an argument and a plan that deals with the reality as it is... not "what if's"... or "what happened 3 years ago"... etc.

They weren't news until they became news for the amount of territory they had seized and number of people they were killing. Their numbers grew exponentially as they took more territory.. that was WELL before the US started to do something about it with airstrikes.

I don't "Draw the line" anywhere. And neither do you.

The military industrial complex does.

Meanwhile abominations are taking place in Africa that are horrendous. Don't see us bombing over there.

And as far as "innocent people being murdered wholesale"...let me know when they catch up with the U.S. military dropping atomic bombs on two CITIES full of men, women, and children.

Sorry, but in my opinion...when the U.S. gets involved things always seem to go from bad to worse these days.

you mean the US military dropped atomic bombs on two cities full of men, women, and children armed with weapons and prepared by the jap government to die fighting US troops in a war they started? those men women and children?

LOL! Seriously? You think that the babies that got bombed were ready to fight U.S. troops? How about the elderly? Or just the average, everyday, normal citizens?

Come on man...of COURSE we are going to justify that shit. But if ANY other country did something like that, we would be screaming our heads off about them being "terrorists" and "barbarians".

It doesn't matter if it was a war or not. Dropping atomic bombs on two cities (not a military installation, not an army base...but cities with people living in them) was pretty fucked up.
People are still being born with birth defects to this very day from that.

I don't think it, I know it. If a jap was capable of inflicting injury/killing Americans, they were being trained to do that, youngsters up to the elderly.

you may not know about the agression the japs possessed in 1930s-40s, they had full intentions of either conquering the entire pacific or dying trying.

that's a fact.

hindsight is 20-20 Robbie, it's easy to look back from 2015 to 1944 and judge an action not acceptable to you. It's much harder to completely understand the reality of the time as it was happening.

double-checking my recollection-

the japs had 28,000,000 combat ready civilians in 1945 for the battle. the plan was not typical military defense strategy, instead, it was to kill the will of USA by killing and maiming as many US soldiers as possible.

the ages for conscription were 12-60 years old.

One mobilized high school girl, Yukiko Kasai, found herself issued an awl and told, "Even killing one American soldier will do. ... You must aim for the abdomen."


Operation Ketsugō- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia