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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200
    #1

    OBAMA adminstration moves to ban .223 ammunition

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...mon-ar-15-ammo

    In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as ?armor piercing ammunition.? The decision continues Obama?s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

    This is funny because previously the M855 ball ammunition had been removed from the AP list.

    More info here
    Military Ammunition and Why Green Tip M855 is Not Armor Piercing : ITS Tactical

    So for the liberals that have said over and over again that Obama is not after our guns, yes they are, just going to take away the bullets attacking what the Supreme Court has said about fire arms which is written in the constitution.
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
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    • mozadek
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2008
      • 1325
      #2
      That Obama, what a nazi.

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        • pornmasta
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jun 2006
          • 20016
          #3
          btw how to you pronunce .223 ?

          dot two hundred twenty three ?
          two hundred twenty three ?
          two two three ?

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            • Vendzilla
              Biker Gnome
              • Mar 2004
              • 23200
              #4
              Originally posted by pornmasta
              btw how to you pronunce .223 ?

              dot two hundred twenty three ?
              two hundred twenty three ?
              two two three ?
              just 2 2 3
              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
              think about that

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                • lezinterracial
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 3117
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                  just 2 2 3
                  I usually say 2 2 3. Sometimes 2 - 23. I don't know if that is correct or not. But I use it.
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                    • SongRider
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 651
                      #6
                      Sounds like a bullshit way for the makers of 223 ammo to move a LOT of product really fast...

                      The same way they sold a SHITLOAD of AR-15's after the Sandy Hook shootings and all the bullshit rumors that were started then about assault gun bans...

                      Paranoia sells products in America... we are a society based on fear and consumption...

                      Go to the ATF website and find where they mention this anywhere... and THEN come back and apologize to everyone for spreading paranoid right wing lies...

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                        • Anthony
                          Keyboard Warrior
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 9653
                          #7
                          Not done yet, and it's up in the air if it will or not. Especially with public backlash. Even the military doesn't use M855 ammo anymore. It does have sporting uses, and the proposed ban will be violently fought against.

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                            • Anthony
                              Keyboard Warrior
                              • Feb 2001
                              • 9653
                              #8
                              Originally posted by SongRider
                              Sounds like a bullshit way for the makers of 223 ammo to move a LOT of product really fast...

                              The same way they sold a SHITLOAD of AR-15's after the Sandy Hook shootings and all the bullshit rumors that were started then about assault gun bans...

                              Paranoia sells products in America... we are a society based on fear and consumption...

                              Go to the ATF website and find where they mention this anywhere... and THEN come back and apologize to everyone for spreading paranoid right wing lies...
                              https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...mon-ar-15-ammo

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                                • Vendzilla
                                  Biker Gnome
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 23200
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Anthony
                                  Not done yet, and it's up in the air if it will or not. Especially with public backlash. Even the military doesn't use M855 ammo anymore. It does have sporting uses, and the proposed ban will be violently fought against.
                                  Won't be fought against much if Obama does an executive order. Banning an ammo calling it AP when it clearly isn't shows the lengths the current administration will go to for it's agenda.

                                  He's going to rally the republicans and cost his party the presidency over shit like this
                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                  think about that

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                                    • aka123
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jul 2014
                                      • 4450
                                      #10
                                      So, for what is this soon to be banned ammunition used for? What is its purpose?

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                                        • Vendzilla
                                          Biker Gnome
                                          • Mar 2004
                                          • 23200
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by aka123
                                          So, for what is this soon to be banned ammunition used for? What is its purpose?
                                          Sport shooting, hunting, home defense, it's a very common round.
                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                          think about that

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                                            • crockett
                                              in a van by the river
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 76818
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by aka123
                                              So, for what is this soon to be banned ammunition used for? What is its purpose?
                                              It's armor piercing rounds, not all .223 rounds. Our village Biker Gnome doesn't read his own articles. I can't think of too many hunters whom use AP ammo to hunt with, but hey lets not get in the way with actual common sense when the Biker Gnome is running amok.

                                              It's been a week since he's had anything to be out ragged about after all..

                                              also most shooting ranges also ban these same rounds.. oh why do the shooting ranges hate our Freedom!!!
                                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                • 2MuchMark
                                                  Mark of 2Much.net
                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                  • 50977
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                  https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...mon-ar-15-ammo

                                                  In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.”.

                                                  Honestly, who cares? It's just a bullet, and Obama is HARDLY coming for your guns. Maybe these bullets are just too dangerous for civilians to have? Who knows, who cares? I'm pretty sure this small move won't put a dent in any gun lovers collection.

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                                                    • epitome
                                                      So Fucking Lame
                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                      • 12156
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SongRider
                                                      Sounds like a bullshit way for the makers of 223 ammo to move a LOT of product really fast...

                                                      The same way they sold a SHITLOAD of AR-15's after the Sandy Hook shootings and all the bullshit rumors that were started then about assault gun bans...

                                                      Paranoia sells products in America... we are a society based on fear and consumption...

                                                      Go to the ATF website and find where they mention this anywhere... and THEN come back and apologize to everyone for spreading paranoid right wing lies...
                                                      These idiots fall for it over and over and over again.

                                                      It's funny how the Obama administration is supposed to be so dysfunctional and foiled by inept leadership, yet manage to take away something every other day.

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                                                        • epitome
                                                          So Fucking Lame
                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                          • 12156
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Anthony
                                                          https://www.nraila.org/articles/2015...mon-ar-15-ammo
                                                          That talks about armor piercing rounds. There is also talk of sporting exemptions.

                                                          Why do every day American's need armor piercing rounds?

                                                          For that militia they don't belong to?

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                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 23200
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by epitome
                                                              That talks about armor piercing rounds. There is also talk of sporting exemptions.

                                                              Why do every day American's need armor piercing rounds?

                                                              For that militia they don't belong to?
                                                              thanx for skimming over it and not reading it and understanding it, it says that the ammo that they are trying to get rid of is not amour piercing
                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                              think about that

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                                                                • DBS.US
                                                                  Geo Cities
                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                  • 11843
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                                                  Honestly, who cares? It's just a bullet,
                                                                  .223 is a very common bullet. It's just like banning V8 two door cars because they are to fast but still letting people have V10 sports cars

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                                                                    • Joshua G
                                                                      dumb libs love censorship
                                                                      • Jul 2008
                                                                      • 8198
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                      thanx for skimming over it and not reading it and understanding it, it says that the ammo that they are trying to get rid of is not amour piercing
                                                                      so just to be clear...an NRA website says its not armor piercing, so that is the truth.



                                                                      why even think vendzilla? does it drain too much energy, make you tired?

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                                                                        • slapass
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                          • 14625
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                          Won't be fought against much if Obama does an executive order. Banning an ammo calling it AP when it clearly isn't shows the lengths the current administration will go to for it's agenda.

                                                                          He's going to rally the republicans and cost his party the presidency over shit like this
                                                                          It is armor piercing but was given an exception and removed from the ban list. I know nothing about ammo but I read the NRA link above.

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                                                                            • aka123
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jul 2014
                                                                              • 4450
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                              Sport shooting, hunting, home defense, it's a very common round.
                                                                              I didn't mean the caliber, I meant that specific ammo that is to be banned. I have .222, and every ammo has some specific use/ usage scenario.

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                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                                                  so just to be clear...an NRA website says its not armor piercing, so that is the truth.



                                                                                  why even think vendzilla? does it drain too much energy, make you tired?

                                                                                  no, the ATF said it's not Armour piercing, glad to know you can't read, it makes so much sense now!!

                                                                                  Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                  It is armor piercing but was given an exception and removed from the ban list. I know nothing about ammo but I read the NRA link above.

                                                                                  if you look at the definition of Armour piercing, it is not

                                                                                  Originally posted by aka123
                                                                                  I didn't mean the caliber, I meant that specific ammo that is to be banned. I have .222, and every ammo has some specific use/ usage scenario.
                                                                                  they want the caliber, not a specific maker or round, Their excuse is that it can be used in a pistol, i know someone that has a 45.70 in a pistol, that round was used for buffalo rifles
                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by epitome
                                                                                      That talks about armor piercing rounds. There is also talk of sporting exemptions.

                                                                                      Why do every day American's need armor piercing rounds?

                                                                                      For that militia they don't belong to?
                                                                                      Good to know that you nothing of what the founding fathers considered a militia!!!
                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                          It's 42
                                                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                                                          • 18083
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Defeating Ballistic Garments
                                                                                          Soft body armor appears to have little effect on the calibers ability to penetrate and actually seemed to enhance the 40-grain Blitz’s depth of penetration in soft tissue.

                                                                                          From a law enforcement standpoint, the ability of the .223 caliber round to defeat soft body armor, military ballistic helmets and many ballistic shields is a "double-edged sword." The criminal use of body armor is rare, but increasing. Possessing the ability to penetrate and adversary’s protective vest is obviously desirable. However, this round will also defeat law enforcement vests, so great care must be exercised in laying out and observing fields of fire in training and during operations. With this concern over potential fratricide in mind, voices have been raised in some quarters regarding this bilateral tactical attribute. A number of veteran officers strongly embrace The traditional concept that a department’s duty rounds should not exceed the capabilities of their vests. Arguably, this is a sound approach for any law enforcement agency to take for its non-tactical response personnel. However, SWAT, because of its specialized missions, may be a different matter and this later concern, while important, should not dominate the rationale supporting weapons selection by highly competent tactical units.
                                                                                          About .223 Penetration

                                                                                          You don't need to hunt with .223. ***over 40grains
                                                                                          The only logical thing to "hunt" that might be wearing wearing soft body armor is a man ...

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                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                              • 23200
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                              About .223 Penetration

                                                                                              You don't need to hunt with .223. ***over 40grains
                                                                                              The only logical thing to "hunt" that might be wearing wearing soft body armor is a man ...
                                                                                              Actually 223 is great for varmint hunting

                                                                                              here's a 223 for hunting
                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                • MaDalton
                                                                                                  I am Amazing Content!
                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                  • 39861
                                                                                                  #25


                                                                                                  Vendzilla - i bet you are one of the 10% he mentions...
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                                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                      It's 42
                                                                                                      • Jun 2010
                                                                                                      • 18083
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I am sure you will kill a skunk stone cold dead with a less than a 40 grain load in a .223 caliper -- that ammo will continue to be sold ...

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                                                                                                        • aka123
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2014
                                                                                                          • 4450
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                          I am sure you will kill a skunk stone cold dead with a less than a 40 grain load in a .223 caliper -- that ammo will continue to be sold ...
                                                                                                          I don't have .223, but I have .222. I have 50 grain (3,2 g) bullets for fox hunting, and these are lighter ones from two popular bullet weights. Then there are 3,6 g bullets, whatever it makes in grains.

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                                                                                                            • dyna mo
                                                                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                                                              • 68184
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Due to the unbelievably massive number of Americans (ZERO) that have been killed by armor-piercing .223 bullets, the BO administration is spending resources and political points to ban the projectile, thus saving thousands and thousands of Americans (from ourselves).

                                                                                                              Thanks OBAMA!

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                                                                                                                • Joshua G
                                                                                                                  dumb libs love censorship
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2008
                                                                                                                  • 8198
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                  no, the ATF said it's not Armour piercing, glad to know you can't read, it makes so much sense now!!
                                                                                                                  its an issue of the source buddy. regardless what NRA claims its source is, its still NRA & NRA has no credibility on facts. not too suprising they found an ATF agent to mouthoff their agenda. i believe they think the answer to newtown is more armed teachers....nutters!!!!

                                                                                                                  so you sourcing an organization with the same cred as ISIS only reflects poorly on your intellectual heft.

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                                                                                                                    • slapass
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                      • 14625
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MaDalton


                                                                                                                      Vendzilla - i bet you are one of the 10% he mentions...
                                                                                                                      That pretty much sums up my view.

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                                                                                                                        • Joshua G
                                                                                                                          dumb libs love censorship
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2008
                                                                                                                          • 8198
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                          Due to the unbelievably massive number of Americans (ZERO) that have been killed by armor-piercing .223 bullets, the BO administration is spending resources and political points to ban the projectile, thus saving thousands and thousands of Americans (from ourselves).

                                                                                                                          Thanks OBAMA!
                                                                                                                          my guess is the law enforcement lobby wants this bullet off the street, to protect cops wearing armor. leave it the the NRA to oppose the safety of cops in the name of gun freedom.

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                                                                                                                            • aka123
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jul 2014
                                                                                                                              • 4450
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by MaDalton


                                                                                                                              Vendzilla - i bet you are one of the 10% he mentions...
                                                                                                                              Although they haven't banned guns in Australia. Gun ban in Australia felt so unbelievable that I had to check it out. You know, much rural areas and such (hunting, etc.).

                                                                                                                              Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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                                                                                                                                • Bryan G
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                                  • 8338
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MaDalton


                                                                                                                                  Vendzilla - i bet you are one of the 10% he mentions...
                                                                                                                                  That video was good lol
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                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MaDalton


                                                                                                                                      Vendzilla - i bet you are one of the 10% he mentions...
                                                                                                                                      A German posting an Australians view on American culture?
                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                                                                                                          my guess is the law enforcement lobby wants this bullet off the street, to protect cops wearing armor. leave it the the NRA to oppose the safety of cops in the name of gun freedom.

                                                                                                                                          How many cops have died due to this round?

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                                                                                                                                            • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                              Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 23200
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                                                                                                              my guess is the law enforcement lobby wants this bullet off the street, to protect cops wearing armor. leave it the the NRA to oppose the safety of cops in the name of gun freedom.

                                                                                                                                              guess you think the second amendment means nothing? pure speculation with nothing to back it up, same as usual
                                                                                                                                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                              think about that

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                                                                                                                                                • mineistaken
                                                                                                                                                  See signature :)
                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                                                                                  • 29656
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Bad news for gun loving folk, lol.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                      How many cops have died due to this round?
                                                                                                                                                      more people die from hammers than rifles
                                                                                                                                                      Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 - Crime in the United States 2009
                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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                                                                                                                                                        • takethebluepill
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2014
                                                                                                                                                          • 241
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          This is quite the experience. I've read about the brain dead NRA...but had hoped they were like the sasquatch, and simply urban folklore. But here we have some actual living and breathing specimens posting on this forum. Wow, this is a special day..

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                                                                                                                                                            • MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                              I am Amazing Content!
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 39861
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                              A German posting an Australians view on American culture?
                                                                                                                                                              exactly.

                                                                                                                                                              he covers that as well...
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                                                                                                                                                                • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                  • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by takethebluepill
                                                                                                                                                                  This is quite the experience. I've read about the brain dead NRA...but had hoped they were like the sasquatch, and simply urban folklore. But here we have some actual living and breathing specimens posting on this forum. Wow, this is a special day..
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm no longer a card carrying NRA member, so I'm open...... What's the endgame for BO spending executive [order] resources to ban this round?

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                                                                                                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                      About .223 Penetration

                                                                                                                                                                      You don't need to hunt with .223. ***over 40grains
                                                                                                                                                                      The only logical thing to "hunt" that might be wearing wearing soft body armor is a man ...
                                                                                                                                                                      Why do you hate freedom so much?
                                                                                                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm no longer a card carrying NRA member, so I'm open...... What's the endgame for BO spending executive [order] resources to ban this round?
                                                                                                                                                                          It's the only AP round that has not been banned because it was given an exception prior or fell through the cracks, I'm not sure which. Vendzilla is just getting butt hurt because of Obama..
                                                                                                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • pornmasta
                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                                                                              • 20016
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                              A German posting an Australians view on American culture?
                                                                                                                                                                              yes, but it's a german living in czech republic !

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                                                                                                                                                                                • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                  It's the only AP round that has not been banned because it was given an exception prior. Vendzilla is just getting butt hurt because of Obama..
                                                                                                                                                                                  why are we wasting government resources and limiting rights banning AP ammo? how many people die to AP ammo? How many cops die to AP ammo? this is the "cop killer" round right? pretty sure that's all media bullshit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                      why are we wasting government resources and limiting rights banning AP ammo? how many people die to AP ammo? How many cops die to AP ammo? this is the "cop killer" round right? pretty sure that's all media bullshit.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Why did Republicans waste govt resources trying to ban abortions in January? That's what politicians do they waste govt resources..
                                                                                                                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                          Why did Republicans waste govt resources trying to ban abortions in January? That's what politicians do they waste govt resources..
                                                                                                                                                                                          good point, me view is anything that involves the government banning our shit demands our asking questions. banning shit is a slippery slope, it doesn't matter if it's AP ammo or abortions or WTFever.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • aka123
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2014
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 4450
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              I get that AP bullet, but what is this talk about bullet weights? Some misunderstanding or is it really going to be limited in US?

                                                                                                                                                                                              Heavier bullets do have more penetration capability, but .223 was designed as fast to have flat trajectory and to cause much tissue damage. Banning heavier bullets might lessen penetration but lighter bullets cause more damage to tissue (unarmoured targets). .223 bullets weighting less than 40 grains are quite "explosive". Not that those lighter bullets should be banned, but I don't see the point in limiting those as the only bullets to be available for that caliber.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Example:

                                                                                                                                                                                              "V-MAX™ Bullets

                                                                                                                                                                                              Hornady’s V-MAX bullets consistently achieve rapid fragmentation at all practical varmint shooting velocities."

                                                                                                                                                                                              Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Rifle :: Choose by Caliber :: 223 Rem :: 223 Rem 40 gr V-MAX®

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by aka123
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I get that AP bullet, but what is this talk about bullet weights? Some misunderstanding or is it really going to be limited in US?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Heavier bullets do have more penetration capability, but .223 was designed as fast to have flat trajectory and to cause much tissue damage. Banning heavier bullets might lessen penetration but lighter bullets cause more damage to tissue (unarmoured targets). .223 bullets weighting less than 40 grains, are quite "explosive". Not that those lighter bullets should be banned, but I don't see the point in limiting those as the only bullets to be available for that caliber.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Example:

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "V-MAX? Bullets

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hornady?s V-MAX bullets consistently achieve rapid fragmentation at all practical varmint shooting velocities."

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hornady Manufacturing Company :: Ammunition :: Rifle :: Choose by Caliber :: 223 Rem :: 223 Rem 40 gr V-MAX®
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think when they originally banned AP bullets, they used weight of each type of AP round or something along those lines. Somehow this round fell through the cracks or was ignored.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by takethebluepill
                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is quite the experience. I've read about the brain dead NRA...but had hoped they were like the sasquatch, and simply urban folklore. But here we have some actual living and breathing specimens posting on this forum. Wow, this is a special day..
                                                                                                                                                                                                      So where is your proof?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is the NRA posting about what the ATF is doing. Who better?
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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