Are you guys buying 4K video content? Or is it overkill?

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  • Robbie
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    • Aug 2002
    • 20960

    #31
    Originally posted by k0nr4d
    4K won't be big in porn until:
    1) People have faster internet in more places
    2) Harddrives MUCH larger then 4tb become commonplace
    3) Screens that display 4k become more commonplace

    I do not know a single person with a 4k TV here. I would suggest film in 4k, keep the masters like that and encode to 1080 - porn videos are all about streaming, be it on a tube or paysite or whatever, and most people can't even stream 1080 let alone 4k.
    The H265 compression codec is going to be the one that changes everything. I have been looking at some of the vids using it and it can take a file and make it damn near 10 times smaller than the current H264 and look BETTER than the H264 file.

    That's what's gonna make 4k stream even faster than the current HD vids using H264 compression.

    Hard drives won't have to be bigger either because the files will actually be smaller than the HD files are now.

    I'm not sure what the hold up is on fully implementing H265, but when it happens (probably this year)...EVERYTHING changes.
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    • JayAllan
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      • Jan 2008
      • 1148

      #32
      Originally posted by Artistix Content
      Thanks a lot for the input guys!

      JustDaveXxx thanks for the comments. I've been playing with a lot of nice cameras and I think the technology is growing so fast and it only benefits us.

      Heck, not so long ago we were shooting on miniDV with Canon XL1s and we thought that film would be dead soon. Then came the Red One, now we have C300-500, F5, and the wonderful ARRI Alexa.

      So indeed keeping 4K masters is a good move and yes JayAllan you are right, Sony, LG, Samsung and co. will push 4K so hard that customers will ask for 4K.
      I thought my XL1 was the greatest thing ever when it came out! I like your company name AC. Looking forward to seeing what you shoot. It is an exciting time right now to be a filmmaker.

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      • arock10
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2006
        • 6217

        #33
        I buy 4k content and then chop it down to 480x360 for phones
        Sup

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        • pornguy
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          • Mar 2003
          • 62912

          #34
          Originally posted by Robbie
          The H265 compression codec is going to be the one that changes everything. I have been looking at some of the vids using it and it can take a file and make it damn near 10 times smaller than the current H264 and look BETTER than the H264 file.

          That's what's gonna make 4k stream even faster than the current HD vids using H264 compression.

          Hard drives won't have to be bigger either because the files will actually be smaller than the HD files are now.

          I'm not sure what the hold up is on fully implementing H265, but when it happens (probably this year)...EVERYTHING changes.

          The new Divx comes with it. Take a look at the site.
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          • The Porn Nerd
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            • Jun 2009
            • 19784

            #35
            Basically you cannot stop technology. But we are approaching "limits".

            The basic business model of contstantly updating tech, operating systems, phones, etc, is coming to an end. WHY should I upgrade my perfectly fine TV, phone, monitor, etc etc JUST to get a barely noticeable bump in experience?

            Sure companies will push and push (because they have no alternative) but on the consumer side I think we are reaching a kind of zenith.
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            • Dirty F
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 59204

              #36
              Originally posted by Cherry7
              Can someone tell me how Blu Ray has taken in the States, are DVDs still being sold?

              It has been very slow in the UK, with stores and Amazon still selling more DVDs than Blu Rays.

              Also the majority of broadcast is still SD with only a few so called HD channels of DVD quality HD.

              A lot of HD TVs have been sold but one report said that 40% of them were not connected to any HD source.

              4k will become a production tool, but requiring major investment for professional use, but it may never be a common domestic format.

              The history of photography and cinema is littered with many dead large formats.
              Get your head out of your ass. It will be a common domestic format within 2 years.
              1/4 of the new tv's in the tv store here are already 4k. This isn't some kind of odd format or codec that will dissapear.

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              • PR_Glen
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2006
                • 9058

                #37
                Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
                Razor burn looks so sexy in 4k and unless you get the makeup and lighting perfect good luck hiding that herpes scar.

                You CAN have too much detail in porn and in sex in general!

                Why you think people get undressed and fuck in the dark!

                What is once seen can never be unseen - be careful!
                yeah, same dinosaurs saying the same shit when hd came out.. Anyone half competent in lighting wouldn't have an issue i'm sure.
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                • Mickey_
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 4238

                  #38
                  Is it overkill for the web (right now)? Yes.

                  Are you futureproofing yourself by shooting in 4K? For sure.

                  Depends on your niche and your content monetization strategy.


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                  • pornmasta
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 20014

                    #39
                    how big has to be your tv to make 4k interesting?
                    2 meters ?

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                    • Artistix Content
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                      • Dec 2011
                      • 6

                      #40
                      Originally posted by JayAllan
                      I thought my XL1 was the greatest thing ever when it came out! I like your company name AC. Looking forward to seeing what you shoot. It is an exciting time right now to be a filmmaker.
                      Thanks Jay!
                      The XL1 was the best indeed

                      I'll share my stuff on GFY for sure.

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                      • NaughtyRob
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                        • Nov 2004
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                        #41
                        For those that don't know what the discussion is about. (Keep in mind this article is from Jan of 2013. If you are going to buy a new video camera, buy one that shoots in 4K. Period.

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                        • Cherry7
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                          • Aug 2005
                          • 3564

                          #42
                          Originally posted by tony286
                          The quality of the footage is more important than the resolution. Does the model look like she is having a hot time or is just there to pay the rent? You look on youtube, most of the content on youtube looks like crap but people seem real and that's what gets eye balls.
                          Absolutely ! and the question is why so many threads about cameras and none about scripts, content and lighting?

                          There is no reason why a hot scene shot properly on HD will have a life as long as hundreds of feature films shot to date on film at HD quality.

                          Video makers can increase quality in dozens of ways as well as resolution, focus, lighting, sets, costumes, medium, filters, exposure....

                          Of course these don't increase the profits of Sony JVC who need to keep selling consumers TV sets and cameras whether they are needed or not.

                          The slow uptake of HD should be seen as a warning sign that things do not always go their way.... What new improved sound format do we have ? why not?

                          In photography large format cameras came first and then the more poorer quality 35 mm cameras took off and almost replaced the 6 x6 and plate cameras.

                          4 k will be wonderful for a few professional shot modern feature films watched in the cinema or in peoples home with 4 k projectors and large screens but for the rest of the population it may be of little interest.
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                          • tony286
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                            • Aug 2002
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by k0nr4d
                            4K won't be big in porn until:
                            1) People have faster internet in more places
                            2) Harddrives MUCH larger then 4tb become commonplace
                            3) Screens that display 4k become more commonplace

                            I do not know a single person with a 4k TV here. I would suggest film in 4k, keep the masters like that and encode to 1080 - porn videos are all about streaming, be it on a tube or paysite or whatever, and most people can't even stream 1080 let alone 4k.
                            Also 4k is going to have a very short shelf life.
                            Forget Ultra HD: 8K is closer than you think - Hardware
                            "But even as the world?s biggest TV makers work out how best to package 4K, Japanese state broadcaster NHK has been talking up its replacement. 8K Super Hi Vision offers an image 16 x more detailed than HD. At 33 megapixels it inflates the envelope of human visual acuity, and then pops it with a loud bang.

                            Dr Keiichi Kubota, NHK?s Executive DG of Engineering (below), told HCC that progress with 8K has been so rapid that they?ve now decided to leapfrog 4K as a transmission standard altogether: 'It took two decades to take hi-def from the lab to public demos. We?ve made the same progress with Super Hi-Vision in half the time,' he says. ?Our experts have set a target date of 2020 for experimental broadcasts, but there?s the possibility of bringing this forward. We want to begin as soon as possible.? "

                            4K is Obsolete. 5K is Here, 8K Comes Tomorrow by Jose Antunes

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                            • NatalieK
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                              • Apr 2010
                              • 20106

                              #44
                              Originally posted by NaughtyRob
                              For those that don't know what the discussion is about. (Keep in mind this article is from Jan of 2013. If you are going to buy a new video camera, buy one that shoots in 4K. Period.

                              The Ultra HD battle preview: Time Warner, Netflix fight over high-quality streaming | ExtremeTech
                              Question, how come, 1080 is the first number, 720 the same, why does 2 & 4k take the longer number?
                              So tbh, it's 4k is 2300 and not 4k or is this gimmick. Ahh because the break from HD to 2k was nothing but a few pixels

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                              • JustDaveXxx
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                                • Feb 2005
                                • 4111

                                #45
                                Originally posted by tony286
                                Also 4k is going to have a very short shelf life.
                                Forget Ultra HD: 8K is closer than you think - Hardware
                                "But even as the world?s biggest TV makers work out how best to package 4K, Japanese state broadcaster NHK has been talking up its replacement. 8K Super Hi Vision offers an image 16 x more detailed than HD. At 33 megapixels it inflates the envelope of human visual acuity, and then pops it with a loud bang.

                                Dr Keiichi Kubota, NHK?s Executive DG of Engineering (below), told HCC that progress with 8K has been so rapid that they?ve now decided to leapfrog 4K as a transmission standard altogether: 'It took two decades to take hi-def from the lab to public demos. We?ve made the same progress with Super Hi-Vision in half the time,' he says. ?Our experts have set a target date of 2020 for experimental broadcasts, but there?s the possibility of bringing this forward. We want to begin as soon as possible.? "

                                4K is Obsolete. 5K is Here, 8K Comes Tomorrow by Jose Antunes
                                Solid find and very good information.


                                Keep in mind they are talking about Monitors and TVs, not cameras. Monitors and TVs are quality jumping faster up faster with technology than their affordable camera counterparts.


                                Think of HD 720 versus HD 10800: Both look great on a 1080p flat screen, just the 1080p is a bit sharper the the 720 version.



                                Same thing with 4K versus 8k. 4K footage will look great on an 8k tv but obviously 8k footage on an 8k tv will look that much better.


                                Right now if you want anything shot in 8K there are no atainable cameras that can do it. There are cameras that can do 6K, but a serious price.


                                Buying a solid 4k camera with a 422 or a 444 color space within the next year will be a safe bet. 4K will definitely be the next porn quality standard.



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