pornmasta

honnestly some teachers just don't deserve to be respected (this is not an opinion on the current video)

RummyBoy

This kind of thing happens in the UK all the time; teachers being assaulted and all teachers deserve respect - if you don't like the teacher, get out of the school or the class. There's just one really simple way to discipline these kids - they need to impose a penalty system.

Three strikes and you're out - you get a penalty each time for anti-social behavior. Once you score three penalties, you have to do 2 years COMPULSORY military service or you can opt for jail time - I think in the US they call it 'Boot Camp'. That'll sort them out.....

dyna mo

weird to see porners (anyone really) advocating teachers beating the shit out of our children.

Tom_PM

That's funny, I thought this thread was more full of people advocating that students learn to respect teachers and the school instead of being disciplined in any way whatsoever.

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dyna mo

that's funny because that's not at all true

candyflip

Jesus christ dude you are so black you can't even think straight. The shit that comes out your mouth just further proves the point that everyone else is usually trying to make.

And you said something about family emergency above. We're talking about the black community. Family structure is disproportionately non existent in most cases.

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420

That goes the same for cops, right? They can't punish taxpayers' children because they are being paid by parents of the criminals.

pornmasta

i'm advocating self defense

Tom_PM

This is a simple question of perspective. You can win your word game with me with my congrats, Dyna mo with your superior cut and paste and quoting skills, but it's worthless troll commentary as is typical lately at this place. Serves me right for logging in once more and trying to contribute, haha. Congrats to the winners.

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brassmonkey

off topic as usual! having a cell in school is not a crime idiot

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420

Your reasoning had nothing to do with crime. You said taxpayers pay teachers so they aren't allowed to discipline the children.

And I said taxpayers pay cops, why are they allowed to discipline people?

dyna mo

you're the one who made the troll commentary on my post, don't try and make this out like this is my word game.

I made an observation and you made a snarky remark about that. game then on.

dyna mo

do you agree that it's the teacher's job to physically confiscate student's personal property and thereby escalate the situation to physical violence?

pornmasta

I would personnally wait the end of the lesson, ask for my phone, if i don't receive it, i would first complaint to the direction of the school then sue the teacher.

MrBottomTooth

It's the fact that you can't really touch them at all without losing your job.

My brother was being an ass in class decades ago and the teacher basically patted him lightly on the back once and said "smarten up and quit talking out!"

Of course my parents called the school and the poor teacher had to apologize in tears and basically all my parents had to do was push the issue and he would have been fired.

Obviously there was no reason for him to touch my brother, but that example just shows how easy it is for a teacher to lose their job over something silly. But what about in a case like this where a thug who is bigger than the teacher comes up and basically starts attacking him. My first instinct as a regular person would be to punch him in the head as many times as I could until he stopped moving. Thankfully I am not a teacher, I guess.

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dyna mo

good thinking. how would you handle it if you were the teacher?

IMO, the teacher incited the situation. He should have never attempted to confiscate that phone, not because it is someone's personal property, but because it would lead to a completely out of control situation for that teacher.

AaronM

I had a lot of things taken away from me at school. Not once did it ever escalate to physical violence. The kids in these videos need to be expelled.

dyna mo

i totally agree. At the same time, the teacher lost control of his classroom due to his behavior, not the student's. Trying to put myself in his shoes, I would not choose to go toe-up with a student over his phone, I'd simply call school security.

pornmasta

If i'm physically attacked, then i would defend myself (and even if i need to injure the student). I'm not paid to be beaten... And if i'm fired, i would just find another job...

pornmasta

i see... well, here there is no school security...

AaronM

Do you really believe the teacher "went toe-up" here? We can't see how the situation started. For all we know the kid had his phone on the desk watching a video and the teacher picked it up while walking by then the kid attacked him.

I had a teacher take a magnet away from me once. I should have kicked his ass.

MaDalton

back in my times when the teacher asked me to give him something, i gave it to him

and i can't count how many times i have been thrown out of class for making nonsense, disturbing the teacher or whatever but not once i had the idea of beating my teacher up

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dyna mo

toe-up is simply an expression for physical violence and yes, this teacher went toe-up with that student. It doesn't matter if the teacher walked by and grabbed it or made a scene trying to confiscate it. the bottom line is that teacher lost control of his classroom based on how he handled the situation, not how the student handled it.

dyna mo

most [all] high schools in america have security.

dyna mo

i meant how would you have handled the phone issue, not after it became violent. the teacher is supposed to be smarter than his student.

pornmasta

you could try to call the director of if he is above 18, you could expel him... but i'm not sure that it would stop him to become violent...

Diomed

I would just like to pop in to thank Mr. Monkey for proving "the" point once again.

Monkey, you are a walking advertisement of why black people get a bad name.

Zero self honesty, un-educated opinion, in total denial as usual.. Keep up the good work.

From what I read, the STUDENT is being charged with ASSAULT for slamming the TEACHER on his back to retrieve his CELL PHONE which got taken away for GOOD FUCKING REASON.

Sounds about right to me.

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pornmasta

now tell me: how do you fight an unfair society ?

AaronM

I couldn't disagree more. The teacher may have lost control of the classroom but it was based on the student's actions. Both for using the phone when they shouldn't have been and for escalating it to a fight with the teacher.

Kid should be expelled....AND have his ass kicked by the entire faculty.

AaronM

The students are supposed to be respectful of the rules and the teacher.

The students should have better parenting.

Shitty parents + shitty kid = bad teacher? That math doesn't add up.

brassmonkey

didnt watch the video. i dont think schools should be parents

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AaronM

BTW....The teacher deserves a bonus and a raise in pay.

AaronM

Somebody has to when the parents fail to be parents themselves.

dyna mo

they aren't mutually exclusive. bad parents + bad teacher + bad student = physical altercation.

the math works here.

dyna mo

if it were based on the student's actions, then that student was in control of that classroom, that's wrong and the fault of the teacher for losing control of his classroom.

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RummyBoy

Dude, no offence but you have come to some abnormal conclusions here. It would be interesting to see how a teacher can always keep control of a classroom in a rough black neighbourhood in Detroit, for example. Interesting to see if you can always blame the teacher for losing control of the classroom.

I wonder if you'll try teaching some day and find out the answer in a place like that.

Horatio Caine

Black community is so known for its parenting skills and moral standards

dyna mo

there's nothing abnormal in examining this event and concluding everyone involved can learn from it. What's abnormal is concluding that there is nothing that the teacher can gleen from what happened to learn to be a better teacher.

dyna mo

the teacher is smarter than the student and expected to be able to not get entangled into a power struggle with someone who is not as smart.


Teacher can use strategies to avoid power struggles in the classroom | Virginia Commonwealth University Training and Technical Assistance Center Newsletter

Teachers who recognize that they are feeling drawn into a battle with a student have a responsibility to take steps to end the power struggle. The following is a list of strategies and considerations that may help when tensions begin to rise (Fecser & Long, 2000; Russell, 2010; Schindler, 2002; Shahbazian et al., 2005; Walker, 1995; Wright, 2000).

Misbehavior or Mother Nature? ? Is the behavior developmentally normal for this student? If so, going head-to-head with a child for simply being a child will almost always cause conflict. For example, adolescents are likely to challenge authority and assert independence frequently. Getting angry about it will not solve the problem, but fair and consistent rules and consequences, delivered in a neutral tone, will help to shape behavior in the future.
Later! ? Choosing to walk away from a heated exchange allows both parties to cool down so that they can have a more reasonable conversation at a later time. Teachers can effectively redirect a student during a power struggle by restating an expectation and leaving the student to make a choice. After the fact, the teacher and student can discuss what happened and try to understand what was behind the behavior so that the teacher can better support the student in the future.

The last word can be lethal. ? Trying to get the last word can be a recipe for disaster. As the teacher is shouting a comment to the student on his way out the door, there is nothing to stop the student from ?topping? the teacher?s last comment. We can only be sure of our own behavior and responses, so gambling on how a student may respond to a parting comment is risky. His last word may be more than the teacher is prepared to handle. There is no benefit to upping the ante in a power struggle.
Is anybody listening to me? ? Teachers may feel the need to raise their voices during a power struggle to dominate the conversation. Raising your voice is nothing but an invitation for the student to do the same. A better approach is to speak to the student privately, out of the room if at all possible. The power struggle is less likely to escalate if it becomes a quiet and private conversation between adult and child.
Sarcasm isn?t funny. ? Often students do not understand the subtleties of sarcasm, either because it is developmentally beyond them or the comment sounds more like an insult than a ?joke.? Teachers can avoid creating stressful situations by eliminating sarcasm from their language while in school. The misunderstanding can start or inflame a power struggle with a student.

Save face. ? Ultimately, this is the goal of both the student and the teacher in a power struggle. The best way to save face is to get out of the power struggle. The rest of the class is observing the exchange and sees what pushes the teacher?s buttons and recognizes the out-of-control behavior. In the long run, this can be damaging to the teacher?s credibility with the class.

Don?t sweat the small stuff. ? The scenario in Ms. Wright?s room is a good example of how getting overly involved in a relatively minor refusal can snowball into a much larger issue. Before making demands of students, teachers should ask themselves if it really matters that the student is standing behind his desk instead of sitting in his chair, or if he starts on the last part of the assignment first. If it won?t change the instructional outcome, there is probably not a good reason to insist on compliance.

Set limits but avoid ultimatums. ? There is a difference between telling a student, ?I expect you to get started with your assignment,? and ?You need to start your work right this minute or you will lose recess for the rest of the month!? The first allows the student to make the choice but the second sets up a direct challenge. If the child still refuses, is this a threat that most teachers are willing to follow through on? What would the consequences be for not following through? This is really a no-win situation.


Take charge of yourself. ? As stated earlier, most teachers continue power struggles because the student?s behavior has struck an emotional chord. If you realize that you are feeling angry at a student, take steps to calm down before continuing the dialogue. Managing your own emotions will help you approach each student in an impartial and supportive manner.

Mutt

I'm losing hope, I can't believe there are people defending the kid and his property rights. It's a CLASSROOM, there is an ADULT in charge of CHILDREN in that room, the teacher has a right to run his classroom in the way he chooses so the students get an education. Part of school is preparation for LIFE as an adult, there's work to be done and there's a boss who makes the rules for behavior in that classroom,we call them teachers. If the teacher's policy is phones aren't to be used during class or the phone gets confiscated then that's how it is.

I've had my desk turned over with me in it by a volatile 65 year old teacher, been kicked hard by a female teacher in the ass, given the strap by an old principal with an eye patch whose hair, fingernails and everything else on him were stained yellow from nicotine, had a Bible thrown at my head by a religious school teacher ...... I more or less deserved it, no real harm was done and my parents didn't run to the school administration, they assumed right that I had been acting up and deserved punishment.

This kid needs to be charged with assault, then off to juvie hall.

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dyna mo

according to this article, power struggle in the classroom is the responsibility and fault of the educator.

Chapter 20: Conflict Resolution and Power struggles

dyna mo

using knowledge and wisdom and experience put into protocol to avoid classroom power struggle is pathetic to you?

dyna mo

from the National Education Association:


Avoiding Power Struggles with Students
The dos and don'ts of dealing with classroom confrontations.

many educators have developed strategies for dealing with confrontational students. At the top of the list: “Never get into a power struggle,” says Mary Barela, a middle school teacher in Fort Collins, Colorado. “You are the adult and know better.

NEA - Avoiding Power Struggles with Students

dyna mo

A Report by the American Psychological Association Board of Educational Affairs Task Force on Classroom Violence Directed Against Teachers.


Understanding and Preventing Violence Directed Against Teachers


Educators should be prepared to identify early warning signs of aggressive and violent threats (see Warning signs of youth violence), reacting from an effective response repertoire. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has compiled a list of resources that is a great resource for schools.

When equipped with best practices training, empathic caring and a supportive administrative staff, a proactive and knowledgeable teacher is his or her own best protection against threats of student violence.

Diomed

The ignorant cunts in here defending the kid are truly hilarious.

I love watching dyna mo waste his time trying to prove a non-existent point.

Kid got charged with assault, the law has already spoken.

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Diomed

No idea.

I just want to live around civilized considerate ''good'' people who are responsible.

Whether that is black, white, Asian, or Hispanic. Doesn't matter to me.

What I don't want to live around is people with garbage culture, loud, ignorant, thieving, lying, in denial, pieces of shit who only exists to serve themselves.

Whether that is black, white, Asian, or Hispanic. Doesn't matter to me.

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dyna mo

I haven't even mentioned the kid you dimwitted dolt.

you think creating a better teaching environment is a non-existent point yet I've linked accredited educational instutions policies and best work practices on the very point.



Nevertheless, obviously I am trying to make a point to people who completely lack any ability to realize there is opportunity to learn and make things better here, instead you like to make shit up such as me defending the student even though I am OTR earlier agreeing with AaronM the kid should be punished.

but hey, stick with your view that dumbfuck teachers can create out of control teaching space and then engage in violent confrontations, because hey, black kids deserve it.