aka123

I guess that you will win this year's conversationalist award. Bye, bye.

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Rochard

The older we get, the wiser we get. It's called "wisdom".

When I was younger I was all about "fuck the police" and I thought I was targeted because I was "younger". What you don't understand when you are 23 is that the police aren't targeting you because you are a kid, the are targeting you because you just blew through a school zone at 45 mph.

Now I'm 46 and I want the police to be my neighbor. (In fact, the guy across the street is a highway patrol officer.)

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makeabuck

I think in a situation where a felon has a gun, yes do as your told or get shot. They don't draw their weapons on people who are complying.

I have never seen in person a police offer draw his gun, and my best friend is married to a police officer of 20 years and he has only had to draw his gun TWICE.

IF in those two times he felt his life was threatened what is he going to do in that situation? Bargain with the dude? Look wishy washy? He's trained to make a split decision his life or criminals. In this case the bad guy lost.

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LOL yeah because only you could come up with a video like that? If you really could do such a thing you could send it to others and it would be uploaded all over the world.

Be dead LOL

If such a tape could be made it would be worth big bucks too but you are just saving your life right? You are a fucking tool

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aka123

Yes, he should "bargain" with the dude, he is police, not cowboy. In working western legal systems criminals are convicted in a court and once they have done their sentence, they have done it. Not following orders is not that big crime at least around here that you would get death sentence for it. Although we don't have death sentence at all. Last examples were deserters during war (WWII).

Feeling "threatened" is no reason to kill. So fucking subjective with so many tones.

By the way, the officers suspected that the guy had a gun. Did he really have a gun, or are you just assuming so?

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Bladewire

An officer not in any danger can choke to death a weaponless, innocent man on the street, have him lie there unconscious, not give him CPR while waiting there 7 minutes for an ambulance, as he dies in public view with people recording the incident, and not be indited. What the officer did was deemed legally acceptable.

To me this isn't a racial issue, or a "cops suck" issue, this is a public policy issue that America is facing regarding what the boundaries are for our public servants. I'm pro cop and pro civilian.

aka123

Not exactly.

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jimmycooper

Well said.

makeabuck

The ONLY reason it isn't a race issue is because they were both black. Otherwise, even though he's a convicted felon known by police, with a gun, NOT complying, of course it would be because he was black and none of the other circumstances relevant.

makeabuck

He REALLY had a gun. When they opened the glove box to get the ID's out...the gun was there. The police officer immediately drew his weapon, took the gun out of the glove box and then the guy would not keep his hands where he can see them...if you WATCH the video, you will see the man FORCE open the door - HARD because the cop was holding it shut practically begging him not to open the door. What's he going to do, put his gun away and grab his taser? Who has time for that shit when you're dealing with criminals in a bad section of town!

Now if I look at my kid and I say if you don't clean your room this minute I am going to spank your butt, and my kid doesn't go clean her room, what kind of parent am I to not follow through? Do I now bargain with my unruly child who isn't listen? No, I follow through on what I said I was going to do because that's what you're SUPPOSED to do.

He's not a negotiator, he's a police officer whose life WAS in danger! ANY time you walk up to regular traffic stop, your life IS in danger! Every day you put that uniform on your life is in danger. Any time you do NOT comply with authority, your life is in danger.

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aka123

So, you are saying that if you threaten to shoot someone as a police, you have to shoot, to keep your credibility? Maybe you shouldn't be a police. Or if you fear your life being in a danger. This isn't about cleaning room, it is about someone's life, the only life he will get.

Police is supposed to take risks, and it means beyond than just being police. Using minimal force is the starting point in here (in my country); it doesn't mean shooting unarmed man 6 times. What the fuck is about the 6 times anyways? Isn't one time enough? So fucking messed up police culture around there.

I already suggested what the police should have done; step back. I mean literally. One step back. Instead he shot 6 times (or his friend too) a guy who was coming out of a car. As that was the situation; guy came out of his car. He even told he is going to come out of the car.

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crockett

The guy that was shot was the passenger.. The gun was in the center console. What makes you think it was the passenger's gun?

crockett

He was the passenger, perhaps he didn't know there was a gun in the car until the center console was opened. Do you own any guns? Have you ever carried a gun in your car? Did you make a point of telling everyone whom ever rode in your car that you had a gun in the car?

makeabuck

I never said it was the passengers gun, but it was in the glove box in front of the passenger side door (not center console). He's a convicted felon with a gun IN FRONT of him. Whether it's his or not who cares? It's there and a threat.

We can figure out who it belongs to after everyone complies and does what they are told.

makeabuck

Ahhhh Thank you deary.

makeabuck

More than just the police are fucked up around here.

We can go around and around all day. But until either one of us are in that split second decision we have no idea what we would do.

This guy thought there were plenty of other ways too. He was a leader in many protests.

Here?s What Happened After ?Black Lives Matter? Protester Underwent Use of Force Scenarios With Cops | Video | TheBlaze.com

Rochard

Comparing your country to the United States is like comparing apples to nutmeg. I am not being insulting - I am sure it's beautiful in Finland. The amount of homicides you have by firearms in any given year can be counted on my fingers, while in the US we have cities like Chicago that have had over 450 deaths. The rate for homicide by firearm in Finland is 14%, while in the United States it's 69%. We have a vastly different gun culture here.

Finland had fourteen homicides in 2014, only a fraction of which involved a firearm. In 2014 one hundred and twenty-one police officers were shot and killed in the line of duty. This doesn't include the ones that were shot and wounded.

The police officer did in fact step back. One moment the police office was up against the car door, but eventually had backed up to the point where he was off camera.

You cannot really argue this because in your country there are only a handful of homicides, and only a small percentage of them involve firearms. In the US we have thousands of homicides, and more than half of them involve a firearm. It's not that police are afraid to take risks, but in the United States when police come across someone armed with a firearm it instantly becomes a deadly situation.

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Bladewire

You have the capacity to realize that there are cops of all races & backgrounds. There are civilians of all races & backgrounds. Breaking down police & civilan interactions to a race issue does not do our humanity justice.

The minute differences between cultures, subcultures & genetics are being used to control people and divide them into factions. You have a choice not to eat the dogma you're being fed.

Horatio Caine

He isn't ghetto just likes to act like one. My nephew goes to private school with kid named Earnest Somethin III. Little punk has to wear bow ties and polish his hoes but act ghetto around other kids. I love listening to their stories.

aka123

Actually Finland is quite violent country, at least comparing to neighbours (except Russia). Although, even though we have one of the highest gun densities in the world, there is not that much shootings, as you already said. And you already said why. Because of the gun culture. The gun culture doesn't spring up from nothing. In US you promote cowboy like gun culture, police being high profile example for it. In here we promote the kind of culture that we don't shoot each others, shooting other nationalities is another issue as most men have been in army and so on.

I know that US has different situation and culture, but I also know it can be changed, if there is just will for it. But as long as it seems to be OK for cops to shoot people if those are just labeled as criminals, it surely won't help the situation.

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I want to say that every "split second" situation is different, and it should be treated differently; what has been one of my core points. The answer can't be to every situation that you either blast away or don't, especially as people around there seem to choose the first option.

And about split second situations; common hunting mistake, that I too have made, is that people tend to hurry too much. Situations are often fast, but usually those are not that fast as people tend to think. It is more profitable to take your time. This advice is straight from a hunting magazine, not just my invention. Can be applied to police work too.

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alot of gay on gay crime therre? I heard 98% of the men are gay or bisexuals.

fappingJack

Juicy and brassmonkey one identity?

aka123

You should get better informed boyfriends. We are all gays, women too. No gay crime, we are like hippies on a flower field.

Except local squirrels; those are nasty bastards as you can see from that 100 % genuine and non-manipulated photo below my nickname.

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makeabuck

That sounds like my kind of place!!!!!! I should have been a hippy. I hate wearing a bra.

aka123

It is never too late to start being hippie.

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Rochard

The gun culture in the US was something that "happened". We armed ourselves during the Revolutionary war which included gun ownership rights into our Constitution, and then when we settled the "wild wild west" we fought off bears and coyotes and bandits. The gun culture was embedded into our society. I find it highly unlikely that this will change any time soon.

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aka123

There is a gun culture, and then there is the kind of gun culture you have. It is not simply an issue of having guns around, it is about how you use those.

Gun ownership around the world: Graphic | National Post

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No I was just joking.

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Rochard

Exactly.

In your country only eight or nine people a year die from firearms. In the US it's thousands. Last year one hundred twenty-one police officers were shot to death, not including those shot and wounded. Because of this.... Police in the US have valid reason to fear being shot. Thus, when ever police come across someone with a hand gun during a confrontation everything gets shut down until everyone has been searched is decided not to be a threat.

If police in the US pull a gun on you and tell you not to move.... You don't move. If you do, you can get shot. When police say "don't move" it does not mean "get out of the car".

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candyflip

My kid is the only white kid in a class of 30. I worry about the exact opposite happening.

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Horatio Caine

Why?

makeabuck

Jeez.

aka123

And you don't think that police would be a good place to start the change towards better gun culture? Police is the most controllable group from all the folks who shoot people + a very high profile group.

If campaigns like "It's not cool to shoot people." worked in black ghettos, I guess that police could adopt that policy too. Or even do like people trying to ditch cigaretters, etc.; reduce the amount of bullets fired. You know, like reduce from 6 to two or even to one.

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TheSquealer

Just watch the video. Its not so cut and dry. The rest of the world can talk about "gun culture" all they want. What gets left out is "the worlds largest drug market", "the worlds largest areas of operation for drug gangs and gangs in general" and so on and so on and so on. There is no single "thing" to change to undo almost 300 years of "the government can't take my guns"... something the rest of the world doesn't understand and something i think is absurd... but that is 100% unrelated to the problems with guns.

The problems with guns in the USA is not coming from redneck, hillbilly jack offs like my relatives with their pickup trucks and confederate flags. The problem is largely in inner cities and usually gang related and has far more to do with a breakdown of culture in some ethnic groups and nothing to do with "gun culture"


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Man shoots, kills officer wearing body cam - CNN Video

Reid had a history of shooting at cops, and Officer Days was one of the arresting officers when Reid had fired at them before.

"Superior Court records and reports in The Press show that Reid, then called Jerome Reid, was 15 years old when he fired three shots at a trio of state troopers in Atlantic County in March 1994. Reid eventually was sentenced to 15 years in state prison on a charge of criminal attempted homicide."

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dyna mo

Policing doesn't even make it into the top 10 most dangerous American professions.

aka123

I already said that the gun culture is a broader concept than just having guns around. However, I can be more specific; shooting own people culture. Although as US is only loosely a nation; it brings the question that whose are the "own people". I think that this is one of the main issues. Shooting each other doesn't make this any better as you can see from Balkan region, or from Middle-East.

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There is no such thing as "American" unless its a reference to ones passport and citizenship. This is a nation of immigrants and natives. There is a great deal of division. There is no sense of national identity. There is no sense of "our own people". The USA is very much divided in every possible way and always has been, only using the rhetoric of "the american dream" to mask that obvious truth. Most other countries don't have this problem, where even with a diverse ethnic breakdown, there is still a broader sense of what it means to be "insert nationality here" and live in "insert country here" and there is usually some sense of nationalism (beyond flag waving and chanting idiotic slogans)

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Rochard

No, the police are going to protect themselves at all costs.

And no, a "not cool to shoot people" will never work in the ghettos. These kids grow up wanting to be gangbangers and wanting to shoot police officers.

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candyflip

Because we live within city limits and refuse to move out, because we actually like it.

Our city school district is the absolute worst in the state. No debate, it's in the numbers. There's no need to explain why, it's the inner city...you obviously know what I'm talking about.

Thankfully, the charter school system has come in to save the day. My kids (Kindergarten and 1st Grade) go to an Arts based charter school. They're exposed to stuff that even the suburban kids don't have access to. And the school itself bought an unused school building from the bordering suburban district. So the kids aren't even in the city school system what so ever. That's a plus in my book.

My kids friends are all black. I had little black kids running around my house all weekend. I like that they don't let color get in the way of their lives.

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aka123

Someone did already post an article that told about positive ghetto results (in another thread). I don't know that did it result shooting less cops, but less people anyways, in general.

Well, good luck.

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Horatio Caine

God bless your heart. I would have moved

makeabuck

Charter school is good. When I lived in the city that's where my kids went, and before there was a charter school they went to catholic school.

I think diversity is good, but being a minority isn't.

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