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  • Katemeetsfate
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2014
    • 163
    #1

    Pop unders bad for SEO

    Now I know Google says to rank well you must have good content and improve user experience. I have plugrush installed with pop unders, so of course it annoy the user, but does it actually have a ranking factor to it?

    Thanks
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    • sonofsam
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2004
      • 18644
      #2
      Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
      Now I know Google says to rank well you must have good content and improve user experience. I have plugrush installed with pop unders, so of course it annoy the user, but does it actually have a ranking factor to it?

      Thanks
      Google cares about user experience.

      Do users like popups?

      Does google want to be sending their users to a site that will annoy their users?

      I think you already know the answer to your question, but you're hoping someone will say "it's fine"
      I like turtles.

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        • johnclark
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2013
          • 196
          #3
          I see about a 10-15% bounce rate increase with pops on some sites. But not much change on others. Google takes this into account when ranking I assume so.
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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089
              #4
              Stop and think for 10 seconds; do pop unders improve your experience? Of course it is bad SEO

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                • Katemeetsfate
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 163
                  #5
                  Then how can I monetise from plugrish, the pop unders is makes the most money for me, it's a double edged sword
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                    • Barry-xlovecam
                      It's 42
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 18083
                      #6
                      Tubes have low bounce rates using popunders.

                      So, it depends on how bad people want your content.

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                        • baddog
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 107089
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                          Then how can I monetise from plugrish, the pop unders is makes the most money for me, it's a double edged sword
                          You were the one that decided plugrush was a good idea; not me. I am not convinced it is good SEO (would lean against it)

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                            • Katemeetsfate
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2014
                              • 163
                              #8
                              Originally posted by baddog
                              You were the one that decided plugrush was a good idea; not me. I am not convinced it is good SEO (would lean against it)
                              Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?
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                                • sonofsam
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 18644
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                                  Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?
                                  He can't even monetize seowebhost or pimpspromo and he's been at it for over a decade... You think he'll be able to help you?

                                  The fact that he is even marketing a hosting company as an "seo host" shows how much he doesn't understand SEO..

                                  If you want advice, look elsewhere
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                                    • ITraffic
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jul 2013
                                      • 2725
                                      #10
                                      the tubes that literally dominate every adult serp must be doing something wrong then.

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                                        • Katemeetsfate
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2014
                                          • 163
                                          #11
                                          I was thinking maybe you should only introduce pop unders once you have thousands of visits a day. But not when you're starting out.
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                                            • baddog
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 107089
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                                              Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?
                                              The same way we did it before people started creating scripts like Plugrush.

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                                                • SpyCam
                                                  PoiSEO.com
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 1201
                                                  #13
                                                  Everything that distracts users from consuming your content decreases their engagement. You need to find a golden middle between user engagement and site monetization.

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                                                    • johnny_d
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2012
                                                      • 827
                                                      #14
                                                      I would say, that I would not worry about it, but if you are asking, it may be actually a sign that it is a ranking factor for them. These are examples of websites, which use popunders, and have a lot of traffic from Google, at the same time (I am sure there is a lot more, these are the only two that I've checked):

                                                      PornHub.com
                                                      PornTube.com

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                                                        • aka123
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2014
                                                          • 4450
                                                          #15
                                                          That Matt guy has said that it doesn't matter per se. But if it increases bounce rate and so on, that matters.

                                                          I use pop-unders those come when you click a link (page element). So basically there is much less bounces because of pop-unders.

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                                                            • johnny_d
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                                                              • Sep 2012
                                                              • 827
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by aka123
                                                              That Matt guy has said that it doesn't matter per se. But if it increases bounce rate and so on, that matters.

                                                              I use pop-unders those come when you click a link (page element). So basically there is much less bounces because of pop-unders.
                                                              What they say is not what it is with Google.com.

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                                                                • Jel
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Feb 2007
                                                                  • 6904
                                                                  #17
                                                                  popunders have been TERRIBLE for all the tubes and torrent sites that rank absolutely nowhere. oh, wait...

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                                                                    • Jel
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                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                      • 6904
                                                                      #18
                                                                      lol, who the fuck closes a popunder then backs straight out of the page that gave it? this thread is funny

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                                                                        • Markul
                                                                          Likes Pie
                                                                          • Dec 2007
                                                                          • 12403
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                                                                          Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?
                                                                          Make sure that you advertisement on the site is integrated in a way that makes the visitor want to click it - rather than force it on them (overlays, pop-unders etc).
                                                                          But.... I pulled out...

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                                                                            • PornDiscounts-R
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                              • 1272
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Jel
                                                                              popunders have been TERRIBLE for all the tubes and torrent sites that rank absolutely nowhere. oh, wait...
                                                                              Thanks... Lunch all over my keyboard now
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                                                                                • gebu
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jun 2013
                                                                                  • 249
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Everything is bad for SEO

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                                                                                    • mopek1
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                      • 3198
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Don't worry about what google wants or says.

                                                                                      If you can get and keep people to your site and they stay awhile you'll rank fine - most of the time.

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                                                                                        • Katemeetsfate
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2014
                                                                                          • 163
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          I tested today with no pop unders. 45% bounce rate. Before was 60%
                                                                                          It's worth noting that most of my visitors are mobile users. Therefore they get a pop up. No such thing as pop unders for mobile.
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                                                                                            • aka123
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                                                                                              • Jul 2014
                                                                                              • 4450
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by johnny_d
                                                                                              What they say is not what it is with Google.com.
                                                                                              What is that supposed to mean? If the guy at Google who is in big part responsible for these stuff tells something, you say it has no value? Or that he is lying?

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                                                                                                • PAR
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                                                                                                  • May 2005
                                                                                                  • 1835
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                                                                                                  Then how can I monetise from plugrish, the pop unders is makes the most money for me, it's a double edged sword
                                                                                                  1- Popups are not a deal breaker for SEO...
                                                                                                  (it's the resulting bounce rate that can affect the rankings...)
                                                                                                  If that was the case then most the top listed sites in adult and other markets wouldn't be running pops..

                                                                                                  2- If you dont want to use a popup just use a full page flex ad...
                                                                                                  http://www.iab.net/media/file/IAB-mo...tech_specs.pdf

                                                                                                  They also work as a great alternative to redirecting mobile traffic....
                                                                                                  Redirecting mobile traffic will get you bitch slapped by Google...

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                                                                                                    • PAR
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                                      • 1835
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                                                                                                      I tested today with no pop unders. 45% bounce rate. Before was 60%
                                                                                                      It's worth noting that most of my visitors are mobile users. Therefore they get a pop up. No such thing as pop unders for mobile.
                                                                                                      Mobile popunder logic..
                                                                                                      User load site in Tab A
                                                                                                      User triggers Pop by clicking on a link to a video
                                                                                                      Tab A = redirects to the url of the popunder
                                                                                                      Tab B *new tab* = video page the user wanted opens in the forground

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                                                                                                        • Katemeetsfate
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Dec 2014
                                                                                                          • 163
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by PAR
                                                                                                          Mobile popunder logic..
                                                                                                          User load site in Tab A
                                                                                                          User triggers Pop by clicking on a link to a video
                                                                                                          Tab A = redirects to the url of the popunder
                                                                                                          Tab B *new tab* = video page the user wanted opens in the forground
                                                                                                          Unless you visit a website within an app like Twitter, then it will seem like a straight redirect and no way of going back unless you close the website and click the link again. (at least on an iPhone)
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                                                                                                            • PAR
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • May 2005
                                                                                                              • 1835
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Katemeetsfate
                                                                                                              Unless you visit a website within an app like Twitter, then it will seem like a straight redirect and no way of going back unless you close the website and click the link again. (at least on an iPhone)
                                                                                                              Have a look at how pornhub does their mobile pop for IOS...

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                                                                                                                • baddog
                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                  • 107089
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by PAR
                                                                                                                  Have a look at how pornhub does their mobile pop for IOS...
                                                                                                                  Then get as many incoming links as them and you will be set. Pretty simple.

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                                                                                                                    • PAR
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                                                      • 1835
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                      Then get as many incoming links as them and you will be set. Pretty simple.
                                                                                                                      Not 100% sure what inbound links have to do with outlining the method used to create an IOS popunder... The method is outlined in an earlier post and is the same method used by pornhub and a long list of other sites that could be used as working examples of a functioning popunder for IOS...

                                                                                                                      That said yes, if someone wants to increase their SEO score proper back links and methods are needed. As well as a long list of other good practice methods. But I'm not about to write a 10 page post on how to do proper SEO...

                                                                                                                      At any rate the post was with regards to IOS popunder and that it is possible.
                                                                                                                      Not if people should do it or not...

                                                                                                                      Personally I like full page flex ads as an alternative to redirects and popups.

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                                                                                                                        • johnny_d
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                                                                                                                          • Sep 2012
                                                                                                                          • 827
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by aka123
                                                                                                                          What is that supposed to mean? If the guy at Google who is in big part responsible for these stuff tells something, you say it has no value? Or that he is lying?
                                                                                                                          I am not saying that, lets say, all videos of Matt Cuts have no value, but I would not trust what they say 100%. What they say and the reality does not align. Ie. Cutts would say - never buy links - and a lot of xxx people do that, and this is how they get good results. So if you listen to what they say, you lose.

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                                                                                                                            • aka123
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                                                                                                                              • Jul 2014
                                                                                                                              • 4450
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by johnny_d
                                                                                                                              I am not saying that, lets say, all videos of Matt Cuts have no value, but I would not trust what they say 100%. What they say and the reality does not align. Ie. Cutts would say - never buy links - and a lot of xxx people do that, and this is how they get good results. So if you listen to what they say, you lose.
                                                                                                                              You don't seem to get it. What they say, is that how their system works and what they want from people. Of course you can try to "play the game". You can rob a store too, even if police says "Don't rob a store." They don't give you advices how to play dirty. And I don't think that anyone will even expect that they would.

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                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
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                                                                                                                                  #33
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                                                                                                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                                                      #34
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                                                                                                                                        • C4W
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 699
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Popunders are fine for seo and good for you wallet,
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                                                                                                                                            • mopek1
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                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by aka123
                                                                                                                                              You don't seem to get it. What they say, is that how their system works and what they want from people. Of course you can try to "play the game". You can rob a store too, even if police says "Don't rob a store." They don't give you advices how to play dirty. And I don't think that anyone will even expect that they would.
                                                                                                                                              I don't think he (johnny_d) was saying that.

                                                                                                                                              I think he was trying to say that google will not tell you the best way to rank. They will have Matt Cutts say some things that are true and some that are not. They will give good pieces of advice which will help you rank but also may hinder it.

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                                                                                                                                                • mopek1
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                  Then get as many incoming links as them and you will be set. Pretty simple.
                                                                                                                                                  Yep ......

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                                                                                                                                                    • candyflip
                                                                                                                                                      Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 43069
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by sonofsam
                                                                                                                                                      He can't even monetize seowebhost or pimpspromo and he's been at it for over a decade... You think he'll be able to help you?

                                                                                                                                                      The fact that he is even marketing a hosting company as an "seo host" shows how much he doesn't understand SEO..

                                                                                                                                                      If you want advice, look elsewhere
                                                                                                                                                      I had a client tell me today that he hired a friend of his wife to do their SEO because she said she was capable.

                                                                                                                                                      She hasn't done anything but keywords in meta tags. When he mentioned this to me, I actually pictured Baddog in my mind.

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                                                                                                                                                        • AlexTmz
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                                                                          I had a client tell me today that he hired a friend of his wife to do their SEO because she said she was capable.

                                                                                                                                                          She hasn't done anything but keywords in meta tags. When he mentioned this to me, I actually pictured Baddog in my mind.
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                                                                                                                                                            • aka123
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2014
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by mopek1
                                                                                                                                                              I don't think he (johnny_d) was saying that.

                                                                                                                                                              I think he was trying to say that google will not tell you the best way to rank. They will have Matt Cutts say some things that are true and some that are not. They will give good pieces of advice which will help you rank but also may hinder it.
                                                                                                                                                              Well, yea. Google's goal is to give good search results, not to make you rank well. Your goal on the other hand may be to get your shit to rank well, no matter how shit it is or how irrelevant.

                                                                                                                                                              And what might be the kind of thing that Matt would say to hinder your search results, or say something that isn't true? Any examples? And please, let's consider that we are playing by the rules. Matt doesn't advice how to hack Google and to make your site appear in every search result as a only result. Obviously he won't advice how to play dirty.

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                                                                                                                                                                • mopek1
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by aka123
                                                                                                                                                                  Well, yea. Google's goal is to give good search results, not to make you rank well. Your goal on the other hand may be to get your shit to rank well, no matter how shit it is or how irrelevant.

                                                                                                                                                                  And what might be the kind of thing that Matt would say to hinder your search results, or say something that isn't true? Any examples? And please, let's consider that we are playing by the rules. Matt doesn't advice how to hack Google and to make your site appear in every search result as a only result. Obviously he won't advice how to play dirty.
                                                                                                                                                                  Google's goal is to make money and to provide search that is good enough, not the best for users.

                                                                                                                                                                  Matt Cutts is a PR face. He denies the existence of negative SEO to hurt rankings (which was obviously not true) and he also told us the disavow tool would actually work in our favor, which it doesn't.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • aka123
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2014
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mopek1
                                                                                                                                                                      Google's goal is to make money and to provide search that is good enough, not the best for users.

                                                                                                                                                                      Matt Cutts is a PR face. He denies the existence of negative SEO to hurt rankings (which was obviously not true) and he also told us the disavow tool would actually work in our favor, which it doesn't.
                                                                                                                                                                      Why Google wouldn't want to offer best search (within the frames of profitability)?

                                                                                                                                                                      I don't get that negative SEO stuff. Just few messages above there were stuff about buying links; how Matt advices against that; and here you tell that Matt denies the existence of negative SEO, that could hurt rankings. LOL

                                                                                                                                                                      Or do you mean to hurt others people's sites rankings?

                                                                                                                                                                      Well, the thing that we are even having this conversations proves that you guys are so deep into "playing the game" that you don't even see the big picture anymore. Every message is pretty much about fighting against Google. And when Matt tells how to rank better by going by the rules; that is something evil. You even fight against me just because I told something that Matt told.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • johnny_d
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Doing things according to what Google / Matt Cutts say has (long term) value, but at the same time this is not how things get done / achieved by the most successful / profitable people / companies making / working on xxx sites.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • aka123
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by johnny_d
                                                                                                                                                                              Doing things according to what Google / Matt Cutts say has (long term) value, but at the same time this is not how things get done / achieved by the most successful / profitable people / companies making / working on xxx sites.
                                                                                                                                                                              I don't get from where you got the idea that the sayings of Matt would be some kind of a Bible that would have to be followed literally. Certainly I haven't said so. Can't you just take a hint and leave it there.

                                                                                                                                                                              I said that Matt said that pop-unders doesn't matter per se. That is all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jel
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  matt cutts isn't the western equivalent of comical ali at all, no sir.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • fappingJack
                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2014
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 2172
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by sonofsam
                                                                                                                                                                                      Google cares about user experience.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Do users like popups?

                                                                                                                                                                                      Does google want to be sending their users to a site that will annoy their users?

                                                                                                                                                                                      I think you already know the answer to your question, but you're hoping someone will say "it's fine"

                                                                                                                                                                                      Very well said

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • ITraffic
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2013
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          what ranks in the serps is what works. the end.

                                                                                                                                                                                          experience > theory.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Focus
                                                                                                                                                                                              Last of a dying breed.
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 669
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              There Is No Such Thing As SEO.

                                                                                                                                                                                              fuck popunders

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • aka123
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by fappingJack
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Very well said
                                                                                                                                                                                                  If the only user experience in your site is pop-ups.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  On most sites; the site's value for visitors is a sum from a larger group of things than just pop-ups.

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