BMW will likely phase out internal combustion engines over the next 10 years

[2MuchMark]

Goodbye Gasoline - you suck donkey balls.

BMW will likely phase out internal combustion engines over the next 10 years

Tipping point… There’s a storm coming. | My Electric Vehicle Journey

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[HDADULT]

Bye Bye Gas...you can kiss my Ass! Sun plus batteries = Electric

Did you see the Gigafactory Elan Musk is building outside of Reno? Holy Crap!

[MassMarketing]

I would love for the dependency on oil to be much much lower

[dyna mo]

BMW will not walk away from the car sales in countries that are not at all prepared for electric cars within 10 years, for instance, CHINA. 25 years prolly. 10 years, no way.

[scuba steve]

i think the demand will always ask for a combustion engine and the market will meet it. m3s are huge sellers for them specifically, and unless you can get 700hp, 800hp supercars that are also light weight wise i don't see them writing off an entire huge market share

[PAR]

If the shift to EV is going to happen it will need a greatly upgraded electric grid.
In the summer on hot days you can see in major cities warnings about brownouts and high use/demand just simply based on people turning on the AC.

If the infrastructure is not able to properly deal with the demand then there will be a point that buying and EV comes with the risk of it not being able to be charged or fully charged. As oil dependency shift to electrical dependency.

Add to that a shift will also be needed in how the electricity is generated..
[figures based on the USA]
Power Source % of annual production
Coal 36.97
Nat Gas 30.23
Nuclear 18.79
Hydro 6.75
Renewables 5.33
Petroleum 0.57
Misc 0.34
Storage -0.12

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by PAR

If the shift to EV is going to happen it will need a greatly upgraded electric grid.
In the summer on hot days you can see in major cities warnings about brownouts and high use/demand just simply based on people turning on the AC.

If the infrastructure is not able to properly deal with the demand then there will be a point that buying and EV comes with the risk of it not being able to be charged or fully charged. As oil dependency shift to electrical dependency.

Add to that a shift will also be needed in how the electricity is generated..
[figures based on the USA]
Power Source % of annual production
Coal 36.97
Nat Gas 30.23
Nuclear 18.79
Hydro 6.75
Renewables 5.33
Petroleum 0.57
Misc 0.34
Storage -0.12

True, but its already being addressed, at least here. Also, Smartmeters that communicate with car chargers will adjust charging to reduce load and or to reduce the cost to the consumer. Until then most EV cars have apps for your iPhone that let you set the time to charge based on utility rates.

That being said, it's kind of a good problem for electric utility companies to have. More demand means more customers means more revenue for them.

[420]

Originally Posted by **********

True, but its already being addressed, at least here. Also, Smartmeters that communicate with car chargers will adjust charging to reduce load and or to reduce the cost to the consumer. Until then most EV cars have apps for your iPhone that let you set the time to charge based on utility rates.

That being said, it's kind of a good problem for electric utility companies to have. More demand means more customers means more revenue for them.

Then electric companies will start using combustion engines to generate enough electricity to power our cars. Everyone lives happily ever after.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by 420

Then electric companies will start using combustion engines to generate enough electricity to power our cars. Everyone lives happily ever after.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by scuba steve

i think the demand will always ask for a combustion engine and the market will meet it. m3s are huge sellers for them specifically, and unless you can get 700hp, 800hp supercars that are also light weight wise i don't see them writing off an entire huge market share

Test,drive a tesla. Performance is much better in electric. Range is the only issue.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

True, but its already being addressed, at least here. Also, Smartmeters that communicate with car chargers will adjust charging to reduce load and or to reduce the cost to the consumer. Until then most EV cars have apps for your iPhone that let you set the time to charge based on utility rates.

That being said, it's kind of a good problem for electric utility companies to have. More demand means more customers means more revenue for them.

it's not being addressed. USA energy infrastructure = teh suck

2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure | Energy

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by slapass

Test,drive a tesla. Performance is much better in electric. Range is the only issue.

recharging is also an issue.

[bronco67]

All it takes is one brave automaker to start the domino effect. Suck it Big Oil. Suck a dick straight to fucking hell.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

recharging is also an issue.

It won't be in a few years.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It won't be in a few years.

yes it will.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by 420

Then electric companies will start using combustion engines to generate enough electricity to power our cars. Everyone lives happily ever after.

What electric companies? Everyone in my area is having solar installed. It's huge out here.

[PaperstreetWinston]

great news, hope all auto manufacturers follow suite

[blackmonsters]

It will be great because when there is an ice storm the bulldozers will use diesel fuel and clear the roads immediately.
But since the power lines are down people will still be stranded in their cars for days.

Then gas prices will soar as people rush out and buy generators and a month's supply of gas to run it so they never go through this again.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by **********

Goodbye Gasoline - you suck donkey balls.

why you so mad at gasoline? its dirt cheap, cheaper than a gallon of milk, at least in USA. sure the climate is getting warmer. but the big lie of climate change is the idea its not supposed to change. its gonna change anyway. this idea humans cant adapt to their warming planet is absurd, complete nonsense. the rich will adapt, as for the rest, who cares?

[420]

Originally Posted by Rochard

What electric companies? Everyone in my area is having solar installed. It's huge out here.

That won't help until they make solar powered cars that can run for 20+ hours after a few hours of sunlight.

See wikipedia "In the twelve months through October 2014, utility scale solar power generated 17.46 terawatt-hours (TWh), 0.43% of total U.S. electricity.[2]"

Originally Posted by Joshua G

why you so mad at gasoline? its dirt cheap, cheaper than a gallon of milk, at least in USA. sure the climate is getting warmer. but the big lie of climate change is the idea its not supposed to change. its gonna change anyway. this idea humans cant adapt to their warming planet is absurd, complete nonsense. the rich will adapt, as for the rest, who cares?

If I remember correctly, food prices went up partially because of gas prices being so high.

You might be on to something. Why would gasoline be here on earth if we weren't supposed to use it? Maybe it's the proverbial apple we weren't supposed to eat. Anyway, if it gets too hot I'll stay inside with the a/c on.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

why you so mad at gasoline? its dirt cheap, cheaper than a gallon of milk, at least in USA. sure the climate is getting warmer. but the big lie of climate change is the idea its not supposed to change. its gonna change anyway. this idea humans cant adapt to their warming planet is absurd, complete nonsense. the rich will adapt, as for the rest, who cares?

I now drink gasoline instead of milk. Saving lots of money

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by arock10

I now drink gasoline instead of milk. Saving lots of money

wanna really conserve? start showering with gas instead of water. Cold gas of course, it's a waste of energy to warm it up.

[buyadultblogposts]

Where does the electricity come from the power the car.. from coal and gas burning refineries..

[VRPdommy]

I have been a avid EV promoter since 1985
Previously, I had to Midnight Engineer my EV.

Elon Musk has shown that it can be done in a practical way for most of us with some HP to boot !

Keep in mind, those of us in the wintery north could not drive these EV's with "HEAT" as doing so would discharge a battery before we went anywhere. Electric produced heat is the least efficient method available. Unless you were to use a "gas" heater like the old VW's had in the 60's or perhaps propane for heat ?

So those of us in the north will need to use a hydrogen fuel cell powered EV or equivalent to generate some heat with the electric.

I am just glad to see alternatives to direct oil based engines. A monopoly on one type of locomotion has cost us all dearly in many ways for some time now.

I applaud BMW, Tesla, even Nissan for their efforts for alternatives.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

recharging is also an issue.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes it will.

Why? It's not an issue now. I charge at home, I charge downtown, I charge at the mall. I can charge on the highway, though its slow. If I drove a Tesla, I can reach 80% charge in 20 minutes at a supercharger. And best of all, Charging at superchargers are FREE.

Oil sucks donkey balls.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

why you so mad at gasoline? its dirt cheap, cheaper than a gallon of milk, at least in USA.

It's dirty, it pollutes, its inefficient, and its extremely expensive when compared to electric. It's also 100+ year old technology. Big oil includes the most profitable and richest companies on the planet, but they won't spend much to clean up their messages. Gas / Oil is warming up the planet, and much of the money you pay goes to countries run by crazies that hate you.

Originally Posted by Joshua G

sure the climate is getting warmer. but the big lie of climate change is the idea its not supposed to change. its gonna change anyway. this idea humans cant adapt to their warming planet is absurd, complete nonsense. the rich will adapt, as for the rest, who cares?

Of course the climate can change naturally, but the problem is that we people are changing it extremely fast, and we humans may not be able to adapt.

Or to take another argument, the changing environment of the planet will be extremely expensive.

Taking a stand to reduce gas and oil consumption will help keep the sky and water blue and the air clean. Reduced change will reduce costs and save lives.

Even if you don't believe all the talk of climate change, Electric makes economic sense. Why spend $80 to fill your tank with gas, when you can fill your battery with $5.00 instead?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by buyadultblogposts

Where does the electricity come from the power the car.. from coal and gas burning refineries..

Lots of electricity comes from coal in the US, but this isn't true of some other countries. Here in Canada, most of it comes from rewable Hydro. In France most of it comes from Nuclear. In Germany, about 50% now comes from Wind and Solar.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

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Keep in mind, those of us in the wintery north could not drive these EV's with "HEAT" as doing so would discharge a battery before we went anywhere. Electric produced heat is the least efficient method available. Unless you were to use a "gas" heater like the old VW's had in the 60's or perhaps propane for heat ?

So those of us in the north will need to use a hydrogen fuel cell powered EV or equivalent to generate some heat with the electric.

No that's not exactly right.

I drive my Chevy Volt in the Winter (and its been -15 here lately). While range is reduced to heat the cabin, it still just just fine on all electric.

One thing that surprised me was that it is more efficient to heat the seat than to heat the air. When I was ordering the car I didn't really want electrically heated seats but it was a standard option. Confused by it, I looked it up and found out that they did this on purpose to save energy.

On the plus side, since its electric heating, I don't have to wait for the car to warm-up in the winter. It is warm and toasty within about 1 minute.

What's also cool is that if you set it to automatic and ECO, it balances fresh air with recirculated air, and speeds up and slow down the fan, turns the heat up and down, and heats the seat automatically etc, to warm you up. It somehow is more efficient than manual controls in that it uses less energy according to the energy usage display. I don't know how it works but its pretty neat.

[TCLGirls]

I'll never say goodbye to gasoline...still driving my '65 Chevy with a 350 that gets 8mpg on a good day ;)

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Why? It's not an issue now. I charge at home, I charge downtown, I charge at the mall. I can charge on the highway, though its slow. If I drove a Tesla, I can reach 80% charge in 20 minutes at a supercharger. And best of all, Charging at superchargers are FREE.

Oil sucks donkey balls.

it most certainly is an issue now. IN fact, if you read any substantive interview of tesla motors you will read their biggest concern is the charging infrastructure.

the topic is phasing out internal combustion entirely, certainly you don't think that the current global charging infrastructure, (which you point out is proprietary), can handle charging all those cars.

[MaDalton]

Will it happen some day? Eventually.

Within 10 years? No way.

[mineistaken]

OP, wanna place a 50K bet that it wont happen in 10 years? I would fly in Canada if some "betting contract" would be possible to sign

In fact, I would even venture to bet that not even the majority of BMWs would be electric by that time. Meaning that majority of them would still be gas/diesel.

[Antonio]

About 10 years ago I had this idea of hooking up all the gyms to some sort of electric power producing system. Was I too ahead of my time?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

wanna really conserve? start showering with gas instead of water. Cold gas of course, it's a waste of energy to warm it up.

nah, it just takes a single match to get it nice and toasty warm.

Originally Posted by **********

Oil sucks donkey balls.

Oil has made possible just about every modern convenience and piece of technology that you enjoy and depend on.

Originally Posted by **********

Gas / Oil is warming up the planet,

No, it's not.

Originally Posted by **********

Of course the climate can change naturally, but the problem is that we people are changing it extremely fast, and we humans may not be able to adapt.

No we are not and yes we can.

Originally Posted by **********

Taking a stand to reduce gas and oil consumption will help keep the sky and water blue and the air clean. Reduced change will reduce costs and save lives.

Bullshit. The the air and water cleaner are cleaner now than the were 100 years ago.

Originally Posted by **********

Even if you don't believe all the talk of climate change, Electric makes economic sense. Why spend $80 to fill your tank with gas, when you can fill your battery with $5.00 instead?

If everybody was driving electric cars you would not be able to afford to charge your car. So be careful what you wish for.




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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it most certainly is an issue now. IN fact, if you read any substantive interview of tesla motors you will read their biggest concern is the charging infrastructure.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the topic is phasing out internal combustion entirely, certainly you don't think that the current global charging infrastructure, (which you point out is proprietary), can handle charging all those cars.

No, but to clarify:

Combustion engines will never be phased out completely. Gasoline, as dirty as it is, contains lots of energy, is fairly cheap, and useful for things like busses, trucks, and other engines. My usual cheerleading about EV is for passenger cars.

Charging stations are not property - the connectors are standard so any car can plug into any charging station. Tesla makes Superchargers that, when charging a Tesla, charge them in 20 minutes, and do it for free. There are other super chargers for other cars but none in Montreal here yet that I know of so I haven't tested it myself.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

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No, but to clarify:

Combustion engines will never be phased out completely. Gasoline, as dirty as it is, contains lots of energy, is fairly cheap, and useful for things like busses, trucks, and other engines. My usual cheerleading about EV is for passenger cars.

Charging stations are not property - the connectors are standard so any car can plug into any charging station. Tesla makes Superchargers that, when charging a Tesla, charge them in 20 minutes, and do it for free. There are other super chargers for other cars but none in Montreal here yet that I know of so I haven't tested it myself.

there are at least 3 standards for EV fast charge connections, as far as i know. + tesla's. I am not sure how many charging stations offer all 3.

not sure what the big deal is with seeing that the charging network still needs to grow. That's not an assault on EV, that's simply stating that it's all still growing and it's not realistic to think BMW is going all in within 10 years.


buses and trucks around here are being converted to natural gas and hybrid electrics. Coca-cola trucks here are all hybrids.

[dyna mo]

Fast-charging stations are far less common than the less expensive and slower 240-Volt Level 2 charging stations, which take at least 4 hours to recharge a depleted electric-car battery.

And there are three different standards: CHAdeMO, which is used primarily by the Nissan Leaf; Supercharger, which is only for Tesla cars; and Combined Charging Standard, or CCS, which is now the least common and used primarily by the BMW i3.

Most new fast-charging sites are now being built with two different cables, one for CHAdeMO and one for CCS. Tesla Supercharger sites are entirely separate, and are funded and operated by Tesla Motors itself.

[dyna mo]

Meanwhile, in Germany:

Germany plans to expand the network of charging stations for electric cars across the country to help boost lackluster demand, a Transport Ministry paper seen by Reuters showed.

Chancellor Angela Merkel's government wants to bring 1 million battery-powered vehicles onto the roads of Europe's largest economy by the end of the decade.

But high vehicle costs and drivers' concerns about infrastructure and limited battery range have held back sales in Germany to just 24,000 models out of a market of about 3 million cars, according to government data.

Germany currently only has about 100 quick service charging points for electric cars, allowing drivers to recharge batteries in less than an hour, and about 4,800 charging stations running on alternating current, according to the Transport Ministry.


let's be real, bmw isn't phasing out the ICE.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by **********

Goodbye Gasoline - you suck donkey balls.

you should buy an electric car

[DraX]

Another interesting thought, what effects will the new car technologies that dont need gas have on middle east countries who are big oil producers ?

I hope they have a backup plan...

[seeandsee]

Electricity price to jump 10x times!

[12clicks]

I'm likely to give up foie gras in 10 years too.



Stupid kids

[H-Tom]

One word: Hydrogen!

[Rochard]

Electric cars will be the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if it will be in ten years, but we already can see a higher percentage of electric cars.

[420]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Electric cars will be the way to go in the future. I'm not sure if it will be in ten years, but we already can see a higher percentage of electric cars.

Phones are training us to charge shit constantly. But I don't have time for that.

How do we get an electric car that requires minimal time and effort to charge? Solar powered once there are stronger panels and batteries. Maybe put a windmill on top to charge the batteries while driving.

[clicker]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

I'll never say goodbye to gasoline...still driving my '65 Chevy with a 350 that gets 8mpg on a good day ;)

Really sweet ride! Gas vehicles will end up being more of a weekendender, probably like this one is now.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Antonio

About 10 years ago I had this idea of hooking up all the gyms to some sort of electric power producing system. Was I too ahead of my time?

Me too. I wonder how much a jogger generates in electricity?

I like this idea:

Go jogging, charge your batteries with Ampy - Hindustan Times

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. Burning fossil fuels sends CO2 into the atmosphere. CO2 reflects heat rising from the earth and oceans, keeping it in the atmosphere instead of letting it escape into space, warming the planet.

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Bullshit. The the air and water cleaner are cleaner now than the were 100 years ago.

Daily life in China:


Beach life in Florida


Silent spills: Study shows oil spills are more common than reported | Layman's Terms Media

Originally Posted by EonBlue

If everybody was driving electric cars you would not be able to afford to charge your car. So be careful what you wish for.
.

It takes less energy to move an electric car than a gasoline car. If everyone drove electric, there would be more energy, not less.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by 420

Phones are training us to charge shit constantly. But I don't have time for that.

How do we get an electric car that requires minimal time and effort to charge? Solar powered once there are stronger panels and batteries. Maybe put a windmill on top to charge the batteries while driving.

I've got it!!! A windmill made of solar panels!

[bronco67]

It just looks like anyone who wants to be a naysayer about electric cars can just go "ewwwww -- charging!!!"