so, what is the number one solo girl site @ the moment?

[jaYMan]

Curious who holds the title?

Anyone know?

[jscott]

I would vote Ariel Rebel (from Panchodog)

[jaYMan]

Pancho huh.... great guy. One of the best I've met in the industry in my 15 years.

[jscott]

Yup. And Ariel's site just continues to pump out the hottest sexiest girls' badass pics/vids, she delivers to the fullest. Awesome girl , awesome site, and Rico was (not sure where he's at anymore) but always was a badass mothaphuka too

[Milfer]

I am interested in knowing this too

[johnclark]

Destiny Moody is pretty hot right now.

[wehateporn]

I have to keep this secret so my sales don't stop

[DVTimes]

Surly BustyBuffy by teenharbour must be big. If not I would say growing quick.

[CaptainHowdy]

BustyBuffy indeed ...

[Pseudonymous]

wrong. and is the question who is the biggest based on consistency and past taken into account, because sure it could be ariel? Ariel's been around longer and probably pulling in more sales based on just rebills and old members who know her site from years back and just go back to it to signup and aren't really active buyers anymore

and panchodog is out of the biz

but the newest modern model is Catie Minx, and second is probably Hailey Leigh. No idea what Bryci is pulling but its up there too, sadly his promo updates are all over the place

I assume he asked to see what sites are successful so he look at whats working these days. so answering with names like Ariel, etc is kind of pointless. That and ariel's content has moved to glamour/erotica, not really a fit for most softcore affiliate sites these days. Most marketers of the niche that are left, are moreso amateur/nn based. the rest have faded out. Though ariel is still putting out more updates, more than you can say for most, so i guess content that doesn't fit your surfers is better than no content. Anyway if you really want to look at whats working TODAY, look at who is left to promote your content, sites like nnconnect, bods, ydg, etc - these sites want sites like one of dougs later sites lilyxo. you want cute amateur models with big tits.

i wouldn't waste my time with anyone who isn't active with camshows, cute/pretty and has big natural boobs.

[Maqua]

I think Ariel is still near the top

[Pseudonymous]

I think Ariel is still near the top

yep not far from the top, i just meant shes definitely not at the top. you can tell in top searches on freeones, when catie and hailey were active (same with bryci), she was never near them in sarches on that site, same with google trends, same with popularity on all the the big affilaite sites i mentioned previously

Great site and great model, just not the top and if hes looking at what works now, looking at a model who thrived when things were great and a model who is one of the rare ones to keep at it and maintain her rebills is kind of pointless. Look at the sites which succeed in the modern era. Alot of us solo guys share numbers so we have a pretty good idea.

Also you guys have a biased opinion, she posts here :P haha

jayman, hit me up if you ever have questions, my contact info is all over the place

[ITraffic]

who has the most followers on twitter?

[Pseudonymous]

who has the most followers on twitter?

lol i assume youre kidding but ill play along anyway. that doesn't mean anything, firstly you dont get much for sales from twitter, you get them based on being an active model (camshows), and most active models post alot on twitter. but catie and hailey were both active and neither posted on twitter. so they dont have the followers to show how active they were with the site

ariel prob has most cuz shes been active longer than the rest. bryci and andi i know have decent followers on twitter, btw. and andi's site is not big. yet she has a good active social media following

AshleyDoll who is a nobody gets the same amount of followers as catie minx, even though one is 2-3x larger, all because they tweet the same amount (as they are ran by same webmaster)

edit-- actually bryci who i mentioned does infact have more followers and her site is much much newer and has 1/4 of the amount of tweets as ariel

[CaptainHowdy]

Forgot to mention Mia Khalifa, praise Allah for those curves ...

[Pseudonymous]

Forgot to mention Mia Khalifa, praise Allah for those curves ...

solo girl? lol and does she even have a site?

[DamageX]

There are still solo girl sites around?!?!

[Pseudonymous]

There are still solo girl sites around?!?!

i dont see why there wont always be, good profit margin. very little investment required. even if they made a crappy 1k a month, thats 24k over two years, how much do you think it costs to shoot a year of content? not much at all. they also make a TON more than 1k a month. still 3-4x that, even in these dark days (each one) - and its a business model that can be repeated over and over so you could build an entire network based on the same cookie cutter formula. can't duplicate your business model in other niches with saturating it

whats more shocking to me is that people like softcore content ;)

[CaptainHowdy]

solo girl? lol and does she even have a site?

You're right, that was jut my cock typing ...

[DamageX]

i dont see why there wont always be, good profit margin. very little investment required. even if they made a crappy 1k a month, thats 24k over two years, how much do you think it costs to shoot a year of content? not much at all. they also make a TON more than 1k a month. still 3-4x that, even in these dark days (each one) - and its a business model that can be repeated over and over so you could build an entire network based on the same cookie cutter formula. can't duplicate your business model in other niches with saturating it

whats more shocking to me is that people like softcore content ;)

Actually that's the only part in this thread that isn't surprising to me.

[American Psycho]

i dont see why there wont always be, good profit margin. very little investment required. even if they made a crappy 1k a month, thats 24k over two years, how much do you think it costs to shoot a year of content? not much at all. they also make a TON more than 1k a month. still 3-4x that, even in these dark days (each one) - and its a business model that can be repeated over and over so you could build an entire network based on the same cookie cutter formula. can't duplicate your business model in other niches with saturating it

whats more shocking to me is that people like softcore content ;)

what $amount of upfront payment / recurring % do the models get from this?

[jaYMan]

what $amount of upfront payment / recurring % do the models get from this?

I'm sure that's a variable between the model and the paysite operators/photogs whatever.

[jaYMan]

whats more shocking to me is that people like softcore content ;)

You've never been attracted to a chick and then once you're "with" her, or see her junk you are all like well, ok... next! Shit I'm like that all the time in clubs or surfing.

It's like the X Files. The truth is out there. (You just got to not show it all) but if you do, time it right, market it right, and squeeze every bit of juice out of the content stone.

[Pseudonymous]

what $amount of upfront payment / recurring % do the models get from this?

Depends, i pay my models outright, depends on the model, greatly, i've paid a model 2500, i've paid a couple models 10k. But thats one of the only costs. and i get the site for years. I dont know many models that will turn down 5-10k softcore work which is enjoyable and basically a paid vacation somewhere sunny. it doesn't take me very long to find a model when i am hiring, maybe a week. and those are very high standards.

I also feel giving a large up front lump sum attracts the better looking models. its easier to convince a girl than, 'hey i run porn sites, want to do it all for free and i promise money from it when it makes some?"

only model i've done a partnership with is hailey leigh as she was in the industry prior and she wasnt going to leave the business for years, she also lived a few blocks away from me so it all made sense

but you can see why even a 3k a month site, making 36k a year would be very nice and profitable, all you need is a location for a week or two, a camera and a model. you dont even really need an editor or any other costs since solo fans do appreciate the unedited real stuff

[BlackCrayon]

well ariel is really the only solo girl i am aware of and check out from time to time.

[American Psycho]

Depends, i pay my models outright, depends on the model, greatly, i've paid a model 2500, i've paid a couple models 10k. But thats one of the only costs. and i get the site for years. I dont know many models that will turn down 5-10k softcore work which is enjoyable and basically a paid vacation somewhere sunny. it doesn't take me very long to find a model when i am hiring, maybe a week.

I also feel giving a large up front lump sum attracts the better looking models. its easier to convince a girl than, 'hey i run porn sites, want to do it all for free and i promise money from it when it makes some?"

only model i've done a partnership with is hailey leigh as she was in the industry prior and she wasnt going to leave the business for years, she also lived a few blocks away from me so it all made sense

but you can see why even a 3k a month site, making 36k a year would be very nice and profitable, all you need is a location for a week or two, a camera and a model. you dont even really need an editor or any other costs since solo fans do appreciate the unedited real stuff

what about after that year of content runs out?
do you pay the models for more content or they vanish?
seems a % would be more interesting for them to stick around.... no?

[Pseudonymous]

what about after that year of content runs out?
do you pay the models for more content or they vanish?
seems a % would be more interesting for them to stick around.... no?

its pretty easy to milk the content for 2 years as i typically shoot for a year and a half actually. by then, i choose whether its worth it to give them another chunk for another 2 years of content. but i typically find its easier just to go with another new model unless shes a massive hit like hailey or autumn. even if i did pay her another 5-10k. thats another 72k for me from one single website. and im going with what a site would earn starting today, all my sites made much more than 3k a month besides 1 (latest site - i also only paid her 2500). my big ones did 5-6k~ a month net and 10k/gross. not including cam revenues

i rather have 10 sites than 1 model that i keep extending. especially these days. back in the day, thats a different story

anyway point is, it will be a while before the profits aren't good enough for people. im moving away from solo though, i prefer the ceiling of hardcore.

I know doug from YDG (yourdailygirls) will continue making solo sites for a while, i dont doubt EPC (epicpandacash) will too. i know mutt is slow but he still has a bunch in the bank, he'll probably launch it after catieminx runs its course.

[Rochard]

For me it's always Sexy Pattycake.

But my favorites are Bryci and Destiny Moody.

[Pseudonymous]

For me it's always Sexy Pattycake.

But my favorites are Bryci and Destiny Moody.

I'd say mine are destiny, aspen parker and autumn riley. though aspen hasn't technically launched hers yet, shes been in alot of destiny's scenes. and mutt's posted her photos on here tons

destiny is by far the hottest, its a shame she didn't enter the industry during its peak

[Plutocracy]

Mine! This year - not so much right at the moment- Springtime
Harley Morgan | The new girl on the block | Empireamateurs.com

Will be all amateur content
Mostly self shot
I may purchase some from here to fill in some gaps
No stolen content because I don't believe in that shit!

Bookmark me if you want and check back this spring if you want

P.s email me if you sell amateur content - I will be searching for some!
[email protected]

[The Porn Nerd]

Solo models can be a nightmare to work with so doing what Solo Revenue is doing makes MUCH more sense.

[jaYMan]

Solo models can be a nightmare to work with

man, the stories I could tell. Nightmare is an UNDERSTATEMENT.


If you are gonna do a solo site, try to make sure the model is a "lifer". They are out there.

[NatalieK]

I'm always updating my site with fresh new content

[GAMEFINEST]

AR for what i know

[fuzebox]

Pseudonymous we still need to get that beer sometime

[DVTimes]

I would suspect that solo sites will increase.

The reason being is due to webcam models.

Many webcam models have 24k or more of followers.

It makes sence then to have her own site as an upsell and were she can link to her web cam site.

[ITraffic]

I would suspect that solo sites will increase.

The reason being is due to webcam models.

Many webcam models have 24k or more of followers.

It makes sence then to have her own site as an upsell and were she can link to her web cam site.

many already do.

[AmeliaG]

Surly BustyBuffy by teenharbour must be big. If not I would say growing quick.

That girl's tits are fantastic, but she looks like she doesn't want to be there.

Back to original topic, it ain't 2005, but Razor Candi is doing well with mostly fairly glam photo updates and amateur style blog updates.

[jaYMan]

I think Aaliyah Love is a "lifer" she's one of my favs

[seeandsee]

BustyBuffy is hot, but that face, she need slutier look

[Mutt]

I'm not sure how much worse off solo girl sites from the rest of the adult industry now but they were never anywhere as big as the best hardcore sites of their time - as successful as Lightspeed was during his run he was a small fraction of what big hardcore programs were doing.

You'd need a bunch of them these days to make good money. Model Centro is a great idea, there will always be porn girls and cam girls who want their own site more for vanity's sake than anything else - Model Centro doesn't shoot content, it's up to the girls to provide it, they just provide the CMS and the billing and take a cut. I had the same idea as others but Stan developed and executed it.

My formula for solo sites and it's basically the same as MikeAI's and Lightspeed's was is pretty dead. I have the most beautiful girl maybe to do porn, of course that's subjective, and her site does very mediocre sales - it was a shock to me when I launched it. I hoped to bring Destiny back and get her involved but honestly it wouldn't make enough of a difference to make it worth my trouble and hers.

I'd still do them on the basis Model Centro and PrismCash which my friend Doug owns runs them - photog and/or model provides the content and we split profits. Girls still can't do these sites on their own, not the young ones anyway, girls need to get into their late 20's at least to have their shit together enough to run their own sites, and I still think not many at that could do it successfully.

Girls for now are better off on MFC, Chaturbate and Streamate - they cam and sell content in one spot, no real need for a membership site. It seems to me that girls are making less on the cam sites, perhaps they're becoming saturated for the amount of interest from guys willing to spend some money. I look inside those MFC chatrooms and see sometimes thousands of guys lurking and jerking but hardly any of them tipping or taking the girl private. There are some pretty lean nights for even the fairly popular girls on cam sites.

[American Psycho]

I'm not sure how much worse off solo girl sites from the rest of the adult industry now but they were never anywhere as big as the best hardcore sites of their time - as successful as Lightspeed was during his run he was a small fraction of what big hardcore programs were doing.

You'd need a bunch of them these days to make good money. Model Centro is a great idea, there will always be porn girls and cam girls who want their own site more for vanity's sake than anything else - Model Centro doesn't shoot content, it's up to the girls to provide it, they just provide the CMS and the billing and take a cut. I had the same idea as others but Stan developed and executed it.

My formula for solo sites and it's basically the same as MikeAI's and Lightspeed's was is pretty dead. I have the most beautiful girl maybe to do porn, of course that's subjective, and her site does very mediocre sales - it was a shock to me when I launched it. I hoped to bring Destiny back and get her involved but honestly it wouldn't make enough of a difference to make it worth my trouble and hers.

I'd still do them on the basis Model Centro and PrismCash which my friend Doug owns runs them - photog and/or model provides the content and we split profits. Girls still can't do these sites on their own, not the young ones anyway, girls need to get into their late 20's at least to have their shit together enough to run their own sites, and I still think not many at that could do it successfully.

Girls for now are better off on MFC, Chaturbate and Streamate - they cam and sell content in one spot, no real need for a membership site. It seems to me that girls are making less on the cam sites, perhaps they're becoming saturated for the amount of interest from guys willing to spend some money. I look inside those MFC chatrooms and see sometimes thousands of guys lurking and jerking but hardly any of them tipping or taking the girl private. There are some pretty lean nights for even the fairly popular girls on cam sites.

Yea man cams are dead.

[American Psycho]

BustyBuffy is hot, but that face, she need slutier look

Amazing tits. Rest is meh.

[rogerrabbit00]

Anyone got stats on dating traffic?

[Pseudonymous]

Pseudonymous we still need to get that beer sometime

i missed last phoenix forum, but im heading there this year, so we will for sure by then if youre going

[ctggls]

I see somehow a difference between what Pseudonymous and Mutt says ... From what I understand from Pseudonymous that it can be quite profitable even in this times to have a solo girl site but from what Mutt says , things are not going so well ... and I think Mutt's Destiny is quite hot ... I like her more compared to other solo models....

Of course, what is "good" and "bad" is different to everyone but strictly speaking from a ROI point of view is quite good to put $10k up front and get $36k or more, that's around 300% ROI ...

Any opinions here?

[NatalieK]

Yea man cams are dead.

Huge popular demand on TS & TV live cam

[NatalieK]

who has the most followers on twitter?

maybe highest solo site in twitter https://twitter.com/vickyvette

[SmutHammer]

Interesting read (at least for me). Not sure why people always think softcore when talking about solo sites. I wouldn't even bother doing a site like that. I guess that is my personal opinion though. these $ amounts seem to low for me, Not sure what the agenda is for posting them. I have a solo site that only gets about 1K hits per day that is pulling that much money in. Also they are not so cookie cutter to shoot as it's being made to sound.

[nikki99]

ariel rebel and aaliyah love