Charlie Hebdo event seen from Paris

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  • laubaq
    Registered User
    • Sep 2012
    • 34

    #1

    Charlie Hebdo event seen from Paris

    Hello all,

    I am one of the manager behind Affil4You.

    Our company is based in Paris 5 mn walking distance from Charlie Hebdo offices. The police officer who was shot dead, died right under the window of one of our developer. I also leave near the place when the young policewoman got shot the following day and my kids got locked in their school during all day. But beside the geographical locations, the attack hit us because the people killed were close to us. Wolinsky (80yo) and Cabu (76yo) were already famous cartoonist when I was a teenage starting having interest in politics and society. I grew with them and have been following their work since then. Charb (Stéphane Charbonnier) was the head of publication at Charlie Hebdo but was also the cartoonist illustrating Mon Quotidien, a daily newspaper for kid. During years we received daily a copy of this newspaper with a funny cartoon of Charb on front page. My kids grew with him. Bernard Maris was a well known economist. He was having a talk slot every Friday morning on France Inter, our public broadcast radio station. For months I have been waking up on Friday with the sound of his voice. And of course Charlie Hebdo and all the cartoons of the team have been displayed on our newsstand for so many time?

    Charlie Hebdo was the target of fundamentalists because they reprinted in 2005 the Mahomet?s caricatures originally printed in Denmark by the Jyllands-Posten. When they did this at that time some people did not understand. It seemed to these people, and I was sharing this opinion, that these cartoons were not providing any useful message and that reprint them was not helping a better understanding between people. They explained why they choose to do this and it appeared to me clearly that they could not have done something else : These guys have been born in a time when free speech was not granted, when church, family and institutions were still having strong censorship power. They grew against that system, they had free speech directly coded in their DNA. When the Danish newspaper got threaten by religious forces, they just reacted as they always reacted against censorship. No other reaction could have make sense for them.

    However, this team was not standing against the muslin or the Arab community in France or elsewhere. They had a very clear view on the difference between the community we live with and the fundamentalists we fight against. After the controversial publication of a book on this subject two day ago, the main subject of the redaction conference when the shooting occurred was how their cartoon could help fight against the growing islamophobic feeling in France.

    All this to explain why this shooting made me so sad, made a lot of us terribly sad. I was at the gathering Place de la Republic the day of the shooting and sadness was clearly bigger than anger. On broadcast we heard so many people struggling not to cry. It seems to me that with them died another piece of hope. For years now we see door being closed, old problems remaining in place and new problems gathering. Let?s just hope that they did not died in vain and that after this we really work on trying to solve problems.

    Thank you for reading this long post, See you all with pleasure in LA and LV

    Laurent
  • hadden
    So Fucking Banned
    • Aug 2006
    • 1440

    #2
    it's a trap

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    • CaptainHowdy
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2004
      • 94725

      #3
      Stay safe, guys ...

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      • romeo22
        你自己去他媽的
        • Mar 2008
        • 23350

        #4
        wish you the best.Hope hole situation will be relax very soon

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        • Slappin Fish
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2007
          • 2512

          #5
          Good read

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          • MaDalton
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            • Feb 2004
            • 39861

            #6
            thank you - i wish some of the idiots on here would read and understand
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            • pimpmaster9000
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Dec 2011
              • 26732

              #7
              Originally posted by laubaq
              that these cartoons were not providing any useful message and that reprint them was not helping a better understanding between people. They explained why they choose to do this and it appeared to me clearly that they could not have done something else : These guys have been born in a time when free speech was not granted, when church, family and institutions were still having strong censorship power. They grew against that system, they had free speech directly coded in their DNA. When the Danish newspaper got threaten by religious forces, they just reacted as they always reacted against censorship. No other reaction could have make sense for them.
              ?!?!

              their explanation is very strange...they were specifically asked by the government, that was warned by security agencies, of an imminent and clear danger of a terror attack not just to "free speech coded in DNA" group but to embassies and international schools world wide, so basically to 100-s of innocent people...

              so "the only reaction that made any sense to them" was to endanger 100-s of people so they could feel free about printing something that the whole world agress on is: not useful in any way?


              Originally posted by laubaq
              However, this team was not standing against the muslin or the Arab community in France or elsewhere. They had a very clear view on the difference between the community we live with and the fundamentalists we fight against. After the controversial publication of a book on this subject two day ago, the main subject of the redaction conference when the shooting occurred was how their cartoon could help fight against the growing islamophobic feeling in France.
              and they wanted to help the situation by insulting every muslim believer by drawing allah and making demonstrations happen and ultimately death threats and closing of embassies and schools?

              I am not muslim and I do not believe in imaginary firends in the sky...I am not trolling I am genuinely interested in how you see their comic as anything else than adding fuel to an unnecessary fire?

              how could they possibly think their cartoon would help fight islamophobia by insulting their religion?
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              • pr0phet
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2005
                • 1041

                #8
                Post a pic of a banana for proof
                Pr0phet

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                • hadden
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 1440

                  #9

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                  • Evil Chris
                    OG
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 13248

                    #10
                    Laurent, I'm sorry for your loss. Thanks for posting your feelings on the matter.


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                    • marcop
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 4150

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                      thank you - i wish some of the idiots on here would read and understand
                      What he said... thanks for posting, Laurent.

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                      • seeric
                        ..........
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 41917

                        #12
                        See you in Vegas Laurent. Sorry to hear you guys were so close to the action. Very sad that words and pictures can create such hate and violence.

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                        • seeric
                          ..........
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 41917

                          #13
                          Nothing needs to be defended. Free Speech is(in most civilized countries), and should be a human right. To be killed because of words and artistic expression is nothing short of barbaric and below the levels of humanity.

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                          • seeric
                            ..........
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 41917

                            #14
                            I would hope that Charlie Hebdo runs something very controversial and satirical about the event in their first message to the world to show that they are standing strong and that they will not be wavered, regardless of the cowardly acts that happened.

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                            • pimpmaster9000
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 26732

                              #15
                              Originally posted by seeric
                              Nothing needs to be defended. Free Speech is(in most civilized countries), and should be a human right. To be killed because of words and artistic expression is nothing short of barbaric and below the levels of humanity.
                              in all fairness...in 2005 the danes first published the completely no-value "cartoons" and as a result 200 people died...

                              Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                              with a precedent of 200 dead people worldwide, after being taken to court for insiting rascism (but later aquitted) after being warned by the government not to post it, because it would potentially endanger 100-s of other people, charlie goes and "artistically expresses" itself?

                              how humane is that?

                              I am not defending the terrorists, I am glad they are dead and shot...

                              but what does endangering 100-s of people have to do with "art" or "free speech" when the message is basically a 3rd grade no value insulting cartoon?

                              for christs sake the french mag was taken to court after publishing the pics for inciting rascism and unrest...
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