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So in order to rehabilitate criminals, we need to give them even less punishment?
Prison should be a cold, dark, damp cell, bread and water, and if they are lucky a shower once a week. None of this playing tennis and basketball, going to the gym, watching television bullshit. This is supposed to be a punishment, not a country club.
It's already shameful that he is only going to get a years for molesting children while the government pays $100k a year to have him behind bars.Herschel Savage
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Rehabilitation is not working that well either. Suggestions?
Is it really responsible to believe that someone can be "fixed?" Most people are who they are. Very few people change. How can we reasonably expect violent, sociopathic parasites to mold their behavior into what we as a society would like them to behave like?
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You are right, let's give them three square meals a day, cable tv, basketball, tennis, a gym.... Instead of punishment let's give them a three stay stay at a country club.
This is why 2/3 of these criminals end up back in the prison system - there is no punishment. Get caught doing something bad and you win a long term vacation. WTF? This is supposed to be punishment. Bread and water three times a day, and a cold dark cell. No TV, no tennis, no basketball - No reading material. This is punishment. It needs to be so bad that someone will never ever want to return and will never ever commit another crime again.Herschel Savage
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If he gets out of the joint alive he won't be able to hold a fart for the rest of his miserable life. Good riddance ...Comment
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While I am sure some of them have lost their fear of prison, that is not the reason most re-offend. There are many other reasons including the fact that once you are a convicted felon there is a stigma that hangs over you and it becomes very hard to get a job, much less make a life for yourself. Not to mention many of these people go into prison with no life skills and all they learn while in prison is how to be better criminals. Add in institutionalization syndrome, a system looking for any reason to send them back, and the fact that when people are released they are released right back into the environment that they were in before and it is no wonder most of them end up back in inside.
Let me ask the question like this: If you have two dogs and they are both behaving badly and you take dog number 1 to obedience training. You treat the dog with sympathy and work with the dog to socialize it and train it to be a good dog and you take dog 2 and lock it in a cage, feed it as little as possible and yell at it every day, which dog do you think is going to end up being the better pet?
I believe there are some people who can't be rehabilitated. Pedophiles, rapists, murderers etc. But someone who sold drugs or robbed a store or stole cars likely can. Most of us have a glorified ideal of what prison is and would hate every second we were in there. Clearly the current system isn't working, but when you look at other countries who treat criminals in a different manner and actually do try to rehabilitate them they have a much higher success rate.Comment
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Should we try rehabilitating this woman?
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There are some people who cannot be rehabilitated. But when you send the ones that can be rehabilitated to a country club so they can spend the next few years playing tennis and watching TV they don't have to pay for, they won't be rehabilitated. Why bother - It's a great deal; You break the law and get a long vacation.
Prison needs to be nasty, vile, and horrible. It needs to be punishment.Herschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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While I agree that it shouldn't be a club like atmosphere (and for the record most prisons are not. Some minimum security prisons have more activities in most you spend most of your time sitting in your cell) all I can say is this: If you look at countries that treat prisoners like animals, what do most of them have in common? They are third world shitholes that you wouldn't want to live in. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
If the goal is to rehabilitate people and hope they can reenter society in a positive way, you can't treat them like savages and then expect them to be good citizens.Comment
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I am not saying "treating them like savages". I'm not saying "send them all out the yard and it's survival of the fittest". It costs $110k a year to house someone in prison, meanwhile we are spending $10k a year to educated my fifteen year old. There is something seriously wrong with that.
Sixty-five percent of prisoners end up back in prison, so clearly what we are doing isn't working. We need to make prison less of a vacation in order to rehabilitate them. We need to make it so that people will never want to go back.Herschel Savage
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You may not have used the word savages, but you did say, "Prison needs to be nasty, vile, and horrible." That sounds pretty savage to me.
To me the way you make them not want to go back is by helping them get some type of opportunity to succeed when they are released. Look up institutionalization syndrome. Just being locked up, even if there are some decent amenities, screws with a person. Many of these people are released, they have no skills, no way of getting job that pays more than minimum wage and they are surrounded by temptation to return to their old lives. It isn't that they are not afraid of going back to jail (although, I digress, some likely are not afraid) it is that they don't think they will get caught or they no longer care because they are hopeless.
I'm not saying we shouldn't lock people up or make them pay for the crimes. We should. I just think making it "harsher" isn't going to rehabilitate them. I think making conditions in prisons worse is only going to make the problem worse.Comment
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(my bold to emphasize this post has fuck all to do with donny, and is to agree with kane's general post)
90% of people here saying how prison is a country club wouldn't last 5 minutes without pissing their pants "3 square meals a day" etc... l m f a o, taste that shit and see if you keep your "I wish I was given 3 square meals a day" thoughts. Everyone is different of course, and you are never going to rehabilitate everyone, but I'd sooner be part of civilised society than a knee-jerk reactionary who lets emotions override intelligence.
The very fact you are incarcerated is supposed to be the punishment part of it... you can't hang out with your buddies, go to the store if you feel like it, grab a snack, have an impromptu fuck with your missus, take a phone call from one of your kids who needs a hand with something, ring up your mates/kids, go for a drive, sit in the garden for 5 minutes to chill out, and a thousand other things that everyone takes for granted but rest assured, you would fucking HATE to lose. And that's how it should be, because you lost your liberty, so tough shit.
While you are in there they run workshops, courses, and attempt to give/mould skills that prevent reoffending - because the whole point is you want the behaviour to change right? You don't punish your kid by locking them under the stairs with bread and water and expect them to change their behaviour.... you take away their ps3, or ground them for a week as the punishment, and do what you need to do to change their behaviour so they don't just come out from under the stairs after 2 days and then do the same thing after a week, and keep repeating that stupid procedure because you are too much of an emotional knee-jerk idiot to see it isn't working.
Again... that isn't going to work with every inmate obviously, but how is it most people understand that it's better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent to be imprisoned, or 10 to escape the chair than 1 innocent to die, or 100 torrent users go unpunished than 1 innocent to get penalised, and so on, but can't grasp the notion that with rehabilitation you can and do change people, and those that you can't are the ones that are going to re-offend and be career criminals anyway, regardless of whether you punish them by removing their liberty, or try Rochards dumb as fuck reactionary method that's akin to a hormonal facebook mom sharing a 'share if YOU hate cancer' meme.Comment
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this is USA, not some 3rd world shithole. if you think nasty, vile and horrible rehabilitates criminals you may want to look at any 3rd world shithole's prison system to see exactly how wrong you are.
good thing people that think that way don't run shit in USA.Comment
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Savage is when you take one hundred prisoners, throw them into a open pen, and say "every man for themselves".
The vast majority of these criminals will be released from prison and the best it will ever get for them will be an entry level position making minimum wage. Donny, who will be listed as a sex offender for the rest of his life, will never hold a decent job again - ever. The best it will ever get for him is a cashier at 7-11. Teaching someone like this a trade is worthless.
Two thirds of them are re-offending as it is. Teaching them a trade doesn't change the fact that they are criminals with a criminal record, which is why so many of them re-offend - they have little hope of being a productive citizen again.Herschel Savage
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Something tells me that he will come back here...Comment
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Sure. Donny will not be able to stay away from a place where there is the word Fuck in the title. ;)Comment
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Well, guess who has access to the Internet again..... And this story just gets stranger and stranger. Now Donny wants to tell the world his story.
Holy shit:
On December 1st, 2014, I was accused of illegal activity by Bethany, a 16 year old girl who I love very much. In fact, I might as well get something out there right now, something that will make most of you scratch your heads or decide I must be mentally unstable or the world?s biggest scumbag: I fell in love with Bethany. I was 40 years old, and she was only 16. She?d lived with me for four years and I was entrusted to care for her and to ensure she received the best High School education possible. I should never have allowed myself to get as close to her as I did, and should have instead kept a healthy father/daughter type of relationship with her. I know all of these things, and I intend to get counseling to figure out what?s wrong with me. I?m not going to make excuses for myself in any way; I?m just going to tell you how things were and I?ll share with you how it came to be that I fell head over heels for a teenager, and how that same teenager eventually went to her mother with accusations that ended up landing me in jail.
And then....
Around age 13, Bethany began telling me that she was going to marry me one day. Knowing this is something that is quite normal for girls her age (to think such thoughts about a father figure or strong adult male in their life), I didn?t pay it much attention, other than to think it was very cute. When she?d claim that I was her boyfriend, I?d chuckle while saying something like, ?Well, if that keeps you away from the boys, feel free to think of me as your boyfriend.? By the time she was 16, yet still insisted she was going to marry me someday, I talked to her dad about it. His response wasn?t what I expected: ?Well, if the priest thing doesn?t work out for you, I?d be happy to call you my son-in-law. Lots of people would give you shit for it, but I wouldn?t be one of them.? I shared this conversation with both Catie and Bethany. We?d joke about it, but Bethany would tell me in private that she wasn?t joking. I told her that she?d outgrow it one day, especially during her college years, and that some boy would come along who would make those feelings disappear. She insisted that wasn?t going to be the case. Her feelings were often hurt when I?d speak of becoming a priest, because she knew priests couldn?t get married. We had conversations about this. I asked her how old she thought she?d be when she married me. She said she thought she?d be in her early to mid-20s. I told her that I?d make a deal with her: if she didn?t find someone to take her mind off of such thoughts once she was in college, and she still felt like she still wanted to marry me, we could talk about it when she was in her mid-20s. But for now, it might be time for her to date boys her own age. Secretly, however, I hoped she was right and that her feelings wouldn?t change. I believed that by her mid-20s, when she was old enough to marry, I could think of nobody I?d rather spend my life with than her. And I started looking around online for examples of couples such as Celine Dion and her husband Rene, who had a bigger difference in their age than Bethany and I. There were many of them. That, along with what Bethany?s father, Ron, had said to me, made me think it wasn?t so crazy to ponder marrying Beth. Now, sometimes, I wonder if there?s something wrong with me, and I intend to go to counseling to find out. To be honest with you, I?d fallen head-over-heels in love with Bethany.
And it seems he is still in love with her...
What I also want everyone to know is that Bethany is very important to me, and I miss her and love her very much. Tears come to my eyes every single day because of this situation, and none of them are due to my imprisonment. My weeping comes as a result of worry over being away from my son, over Bethany, over feelings of betrayal, and over feelings that I?ve failed her and can do absolutely nothing about it. I wanted to show her the world, and that?s exactly what I intended to do once she?d graduated High School (take her to several countries and on as many of my speaking engagements as possible). I was arrested on December 1st: my plans before that, for Christmas, were to give her driving lessons, followed by a Subaru Tribeca as her first car. I spoiled her as much as I was capable of spoiling her. I loved her, knew it was unhealthy to feel as I felt about her, but couldn?t seem to stop myself. So it is possible that she did me and herself a very huge favor when she went with her mother to speak with police. I?ll now get help that I wouldn?t have sought out prior to this.
For some reason I cannot post a link to his blog from here, but it's on the top of his Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/donnypaulingHerschel Savage
Brooklyn, NYComment
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What a weird thing to do.
Can't cure those feelings, just keep him away and occupied with something else... like trolling GFY. lolComment
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This is not surprising, it's expected. He is going to twist this whole saga into a big misunderstanding and when he gets out of jail will already have something lined up to fuel his ego. This is who he is. There is another thread right now about whether or not people can be rehabilitated. This is the kind of guy that cannot be rehabilitated.
Always the victim. Yet always the savior.
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who gives a fuck what some pedo cunt wrote... why post that shit here now he has been convicted? I've been following along like most people but fuck, this is a porn board, and it's somehow a place to post shit about how some pedo 'loves' a 16 year old?
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There's nothing BUT punishment. Our prisons are living hells, unless you're wealthy enough to pay your way onto a work farm. We incarcerate more people than any other civilized nation. Our recidivism rates are among the highest, we use prisoners as slave labor, we sell them like cattle to private prison operators.
Countries that focus on rehab have recidivism rates about 1/3 of ours.
What the fuck kind of country do you people want to live in?Comment
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Donny's blog has like a 20 page update of something, just too damn long and can't read, plus, it says hahahahaha when I try to link it.Comment
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^^oops... posted on page 33 already.Comment
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Looks like FB won't show any profile info unless you're logged in. Can you obfuscate the URL to post it here?
edit: donnys%ramblings.wordpress.com (remove %)
First thing I did was scroll through the wall of text to see the comments. Zero so far. Pah!Comment
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"In this case, with Bethany and two of her friends making accusations against me, I know what I’ve actually done, and I take responsibility for those things. I also know what I haven’t done. And when I pled “no contest” it meant, to me, “I am not going to contest these things nor argue them anymore, and I’m not going to call these teens liars.” Legally, “no contest” is the same as pleading guilty. That’s okay with me. No matter how this case had ended, there would have been those who believed every word spoken against me, and those who didn’t believe it at all. To me, “no contest” also means, “Bethany, I love you and I think you’re a very brave girl. You are a hero, and I refuse to call you a liar. Even though you may never choose to speak to me again, you are very special and important to me and I will never, ever regret the time I spent with you and Catie. I hope you make good choices. I hope you work hard in school, go on to college, and have a successful and happy life. Always know that, despite what others might tell you, I am on your side and am your biggest fan. You rock!”Comment
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What a sick religious whacko...Comment
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Okay, I've been reading his rant on and off for the past few hours.
The general gist seems to be that he's a hero because he's pleading no contest, in order to spare her the trauma of having to testify at trial and have his lawyer call her a liar. Rock on! But he doesn't actually admit to having sex with her, even though he says he's in love with her, and she was with him. Then again, he doesn't deny it, or maybe I missed that sentence amongst the 5,000 others?
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ok - i read it - he needs help. A lot.
but the most disturbing are his Facebook friends that "pray for him"Comment
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I skimmed it, but it rambles on and I didn't have time (or maybe the desire) to read it all today. It seems like you hit the nail on the head. He admits being in love with her and that he did some wrong things, but he makes it out like she is still lying, but that she probably "believes" she is telling the truth.
It sounds like he is going into all of this as if he is the victim and he will likely maintain that attitude as he serves his time and then when he gets out.
I won't be surprised to see him trying to get back in this business once he gets out of jail.Comment
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