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I found a nice paperback that Donny will enjoy....
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I don't doubt these girls are fucked up and capable of what his letter claims - look at the cretins who've raised them. Incredible, he voluntarily ruined his own defense. His defense as laid out in his letter to Johnny Loads is that his own 'daughter' simply patterned her false accusation against him after her friend successfully blackmailed her father the sheriff's captain with a story. But Donny will of course say that in McElfresh's case the daughter's story is believable but in his own case absolutely not. This whole thing would be more delicious if Donny's story was close to the truth. I love the part in the letter where he includes that he and McElfresh had discussions, as concerned parents LOL, about the effects of marijuana on the still developing brains of adolescents. This is of course him already building himself a case of plausible denial, imagining that one day if these girls narc him and McElfresh out that they can rely on studies on marijuana and the teenaged brain to discredit the girls. Somebody has to be writing a movie of this.
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My favourite part of the letter was him talking about how close he is to AaronM and Baddog, and how AaronM wishes he'd have accepted his Skype call
Interesting stuff.
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Donny can try to spin this any way he wants. He tries to play this off as if it's one victim. It seems there are two victims, PLUS an entire second case being filled against him with multiple other victims.
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Donny told the TV reporter unequivocally that McElfresh asked him to have sex with McElfresh's daughter in front of him. Now here he is today saying that McElfresh's daughter 'claimed' that her father had Donny have sex with her in front of him. Now that I read it again I can foresee what Donny's rebuttal to this will be, he will maintain that the daughter's claim that Donny had sex with her is a lie, which lets him stick to the story that the father did ask him to have sex with her but he refused. He uses the word 'claim', implying she was telling a lie, only with respect to him having sex with the girl, not that there wasn't a proposition made to him by the father. So riddle me this - how in the world after Donny rejects the idea of fucking the daughter does the daughter come up with this same exact scenario to tell the police? There's only two reasonable possibilities - 1) the captain told her he wanted to watch her have sex with Donny before asking Donny, she was up for it, but Donny rejected the offer OR 2) she's not lying, she did have sex with Donny while the father watched and masturbated "When he (the bf) finally got out of jail, she took him to talk to her dad. He (the bf) recorded a conversation where she claimed several threatening things, including the claim that he (the captain/dad) had me have sex with her while he (the captain/dad) watched and masturbated.She definitely slept with a lot of people while her boyfriend was in jail, but I was not one of them. However, Captain McElfresh was petrified of being accused of such charges so he gave her what she wanted and let her and her boyfriend do whatever they wished." I believe it's the second but with the trash involved in this story who knows. McElfresh is guilty, both the daughter and Donny have fingered him as the orchestrator of at minimum the proposition that Donny have sex with his 16 year old daughter in front of him.
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He's getting exactly what he wants, being talked about on GFY.
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could Donnys version be the truth? Why not.
it would demonstrate an insane amount of naivety though but the real irony here is that one religious maniac is eventually thrown under the bus by two other religious maniacs - and all that in a civilized western society
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have no idea what the motive would be for the second victim - the sheriff's daughter i assume - to accuse him of things that lead to charges like "four counts of having sex with a minor; one count of having sex with a minor while employed as a public official; one count of oral copulation with a minor; one count of first-degree burglary; one count of meeting a minor with sexual intent; and one count of molesting a minor."
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innocent bill clinton, because he's denying, not explaining.
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Generally speaking the American public seems to think our law enforcement is utterly stupid and incapable. I think Donny believes this also. However, I think nothing could be further from the truth. Even more so with today's technology - every phone call he ever made will be tracked, every text and message will be read; Every photo he ever uploaded will be looked at. That is going to be a massive amount of evidence.
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so far there is his "daughter" and her friend, the sheriffs daughter...
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i see it this way: if he did it - lock him away but the way information gets screwed here on GFY alone - and how someone is considered guilty before there was even a trial - makes me shudder when i think that someone might really be innocent and end up in a situation like this. and i don't need to type 1000 word psychological evaluations to come to the conclusion that no one here knows what really happened and that no one here is in the position to pass a judgement. and ps: i really despise Donnys religious bullcrap but once again - if he's guilty or not no one here knows.
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There is a second case pending that involves six other minors from another county. We believe this is from the original case where Donny was arrested a few years back.
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Could Donny's version of the story be correct? Anything is possible. The problem is that he continues to talk and now his statements seem to be contradicting themselves. You would think his lawyer would tell him to shut up and not talk to anyone, but Donny seems ready and willing to talk to anyone that will listen. If he is inconsistent in what he says that likely will come back to bite him in the ass. I still have a feeling we will never know exactly what went down. I think once the actual trial arrives and Donny realizes how much jail time he faces if he loses he will cut a deal. But maybe not. |
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But at a certain point in time the evidence is just overwhelming. We have multiple victims in two different areas with no connection to each other that are telling the same exact story. My guess is Donny is guilty as sin. I'm just reporting on the news. I can't wait for the trail really.
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Donny also had a hearing on Friday.
Pornographer-turned-pastor Donny Pauling Jr. and Sutter County sheriff's Capt. Lewis McElfresh Jr., both charged with child sex crimes, made brief appearances in separate courtrooms on Friday. McElfresh, 57, is accused of watching Pauling have sex with a minor. He appeared in Sutter County Superior Court, but the hearings were continued. He has yet to enter a plea. His attorney, Jesse Santana, filed a motion to oppose the district attorney's attempts to subpoena medical records for the minor. The hearing and arraignment are scheduled for March 6. Pauling is accused of unlawful sex with two minors. He appeared in court briefly, but his court hearing was continued and reset for March 13. District Attorney Amanda Hopper applied for and received a criminal protective order barring Pauling from contacting the minor involved in both cases. Hopper said the request was a response to "Facebook contact."
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This is life right? You see a girl at 2am that looks like a hooker, dressed like a hooker, talking like a hooker, walks like a hooker and is approaching cars like a hooker... you don't need to see $50.00 change hands and witness the blow job in the dark alley to by 99% certain as to what is going on when you see her get into the car and watch it drive away.
What is a trial? Its nothing more than present those similar facts.
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i am happy you guys have figured all out - and even more happy that you guys chose to do porn for a living and not decided to become judges
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And if you can't deny the above facts... then why is it hard to believe he molested a bunch of young girls after all of the other manipulative, exploitative and predatory things he's done, when the facts are presented?
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I just believe where there is smoke there is fire, and here we have lots of smoke - in two different counties. I can see one or two people making up lies to get someone in trouble, but local law enforcement would see through this quickly.
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What little we have at this point screams he is guilty - and I am guessing we don't know one tenth of what the DA will present in trial. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Donny takes a plea bargin.
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it says "innocent until proven guilty", not "innocent until The Squealer on GFY decided guilty" as far as i know at least. and in case you noticed my previous post: i said IF guilty then lock him away. but i do not posses your superior wisdom to skip trial and sentence him based on newspaper reports and GFY posting history
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The other side of "innocent until proven guilty" is that people that actually committed the crime go free all the time, often on a silly technicality regarding the chain of evidence or simple procedural issues. That doesn't mean they didn't do it. The US criminal justice system as with those is most developed countries is heavily weighted towards the benefit of the accused, not the accuser. Also, "guilty" in the US criminal justice system means "proven beyond a reasonable doubt"... not "proven 100% to be unassailable and incontrovertible fact". Basically, a guilty verdict is an opinion rendered after hearing the evidence and arguments of both sides. The verdict is just the opinions of jurors. We also see evidence, we also see his behavior and his actions and we also have opinions about Donny and his capacity for doing what he's accused of.
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His past behavior, his immediate TV interview after his arrest, his glib and flippant attitude after a life ending arrest, his complete and total lack of any sort of remorse, his manipulation of others, his attempt to take everyone down around him, his blaming of every other person involved, his predatory behavior, his changing stories both in writing or a TV interview, his many page reply and its content and even the very fact that he responded in writing, which will obviously become evidence against him - a fact which doesn't seem to concern him in the least, also suggests a high degree of psychopathy on his part. Can i say he is "guilty" of the charges? Obviously not. Would i allow him in my life or around my children? FUCK NO! You would, I guess... after all, being the superior human being, there'll be no judgements from you ;)
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You guys, stop talking about the crimes.
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Hey baddog.. I wonder what bikers think of child molesters.. He may not legally convicted, but it's pretty obvious he's guilty. The bikers whos bikes you wash every weekend in your tight jean shorts.. would they be okay with you being friends with someone like that?
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I believe it is.
I believe it all needs to be said over and over and over again. "This is exactly what 'crazy' looks like". "This is how 'crazy' masks itself". "This is how 'crazy' hides in plain sight". "This is exactly how 'crazy' acts". "This is exactly how 'crazy' hurts others". "This is exactly how 'crazy' can eventually hurt you and why you won't likely even see it coming". I believe it's important to recognize "crazy" and call it what it is. It is peoples failure to identify and call these behaviors out that hurts people as well. Not doing so, is what allows someone like Donny to exploit, manipulate, take advantage of and flat out lie to and abuse others... and to DO IT ALL in plain site. And even more perversely, to do it with others defending him in the process in spite of a massive mountain of evidence that shows he's got serious mental issues and that he's exactly what he is. Among other things, he came here and said to all "i'm going to lie to and fuck people over in a con that only a seriously disturbed person could pull off. A person without a conscience. A person without any capacity at all for shame, or guilt or remorse or empathy for those I lie to. I'm going to lie for a living." and he said "Here is exactly how i am going to do it... and i'm going to do it as I try to destroy YOU in the process". Then he did it. Practically no one raised an eyebrow. He continued to manipulate. He continued to exploit. He continued to hurt. He lied to and abused and took advantage of people right in front of everyone. He said in advance that he was going to do it... then he did it. He was on his way to becoming a pastor. Why? I would suggest given his behavior, that it was to make the ruse more believable. To command greater speaking fees. To give himself more credibility as he continues his con. That's what predators like him do. It was an attempt by a sick con artist to put himself beyond reproach in the eyes of the people he was conning. As to his guilt of each of the current XX and ever increasing number of charges he's facing... I don't know. That will be argued in court, but I don't think you need a crystal ball to see that he's a troubled person that is now going away for a long time. Is he clearly a dangerous person? Yes. Of course. He is a very dangerous person. These people go through their lives with the singular purpose of leaving a wake of pain and suffering and shattered lives.
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Interesting article just turned up in my feed....
AP EXCLUSIVE: MANY SEX OFFENDERS KILLED IN CALIFORNIA PRISON SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Shortly after 2 a.m. on April 6, 2010, a guard at Salinas Valley State Prison noticed Alan Ager's cellmate trying to stuff something under a mattress. It was Ager, blood trickling from his mouth and a cloth noose tied around his neck. The convicted child molester died 10 days later without regaining consciousness, his death earning his cellmate a second life sentence. California state prisoners are killed at a rate that is double the national average - and sex offenders like Ager account for a disproportionate number of victims, according to an Associated Press analysis of corrections records. For his sake I hope he is innocent. News from The Associated Press
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