Freaking awesome!

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This is a video of his talk in Melbourne. I would have gone along if I'd known about it.

Ex porn producer Donny Pauling speaks in Melbourne, Australia. on Vimeo

Warning: listening with headphones makes all of his puffing and mouth breathing painfully obvious

How's his trial going?

Donny's case is getting worse and worse by the day. Much worse.

The original charges involved two minors in Yuba City. Now it seems there are more victims in Redding prior to 2012. Currently it seems Donny is being investigated for crimes against eight victims.

Highlights from the most recent AVN article:

But Pauling also faces an additional nine charges, a new case and possibly another trial. According to the paper, the 41-year-old "was also charged in a new case on Wednesday for allegedly engaging in unlawful sex with another minor on four occasions. Those charges were filed as a new case and testimony has not yet been heard."

And then....

Incredibly, the same article includes additional bad news for Pauling, reporting, "Investigators are in the process of interviewing eight minor girls as potential victims of Pauling, according to a declaration filed by Sutter County sheriff's Lt. James Casner. Some of those girls live in Glenn and Butte counties."

If charges are eventually filed as a result of those investigations, it will look increasingly as though Pauling was operating as a serial sexual abuser of underage females over an extended period of time, while also perpetrating a successful fraud on anti-porn activist friends who, like Pauling, attended the Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation 2014 Summit last May.

further to that it may not be the best idea to send there anything at all, as it could make it to the official evidence. If not due to administration then due to who the accused is.

I seriously doubt any of the posters in this thread would appreciate that.

stupid idea to send anything in.

let God sort it out.

Hmm... looks like I have some typing to do. I'll post full images of the documents and I'll convert them to text. All pages are double sided. :1orglaugh

Stay tuned...

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oh my... he couldn't resist - what would his lawyer say?

Even without a computer that guy can generate a 10 pager!

Yeappers, they sure did. :1orglaugh

Alright have a bout 45 minutes to work at this.

edit: I took Donny's suggestion, I'm just going to upload the letters, way too much work to manually type out.

Good work Johnny!

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He even had a suggestion for you to best get his word out here with the most ease.

Fucking classic Donny.

Not sure, Donny made the suggestion of a new thread, partly to get a clean slate to start a back and forth with everyone I assume.

Anyway, don't want to keep you all waiting:

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Of course it only took him until page 2 to get to the "it's all a big misunderstanding and political" response.

Stopped reading there.

Did skim the rest. The plea for everybody to send him books is pretty hilarious. He must like reading so that he doesn't have to think about the horrible person he is.

The last of it...

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Oh this is all just so sad and pathetic, on SO many levels.

I made it to page eight of the first letter... right up to the point of him being upset with a fifteen year old girl who was living with him because she was getting high and talking to a thirty-six year old man.

Donny doesn't understand why I don't like him. I don't like him because of him leaving the industry and how he has profited by slamming our industry since then.

I'm stunned that Donny wrote back - more evidence for the courts.

Please explain to Donny I don't have the time to take off a day to drive up to see him in court. I want nothing to do with him.

I knew it! It is a Mormon conspiracy!

Thanks to Johnny (and Donny) for all the entertainment.

And then there's the secrets that have been confided to him about corruption extending from the sheriff's department to the D.A.'s office by the captain which panicked the captain when Donny was arrested because he was scared Donny would use that information to bargain his way out of this mess.

What normal man in his 30's volunteers to raise the adopted daughters of his cousin because she is a bad mom who has no rules? And then you bond with the father of one the daughter's friends and so you have two middle aged dudes who like to 'hang out' with their daughters at each other's homes.

Either a saint OR a creep in saint's clothing.

Imagine if he's telling the truth.

I like how he was sure to include full real names in his response, knowing damn well the officers and DA will be reading these letters, giving them more people to investigate. Seems pretty clear he plans on taking as many as he can down with him.

Exactly.

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Man I want my 20 mins back.

You just said the most important word.

"imagine".

This is why psychopaths, sociopaths, anti social personalities and so on are all around us. We are surrounded by them. They move around us and in and out of our lives, usually undetected. When they are, its almost ALWAYS the result of our distilling horrible behaviors and numerous red flags into something overly simple such as "he's selfish", "he's kind of a dick".

According to Psychologists like Martha Stout, sociopaths alone, make up 4% of people in the US and most agree that number is rising quickly (no shock for a "me, me, me" culture). According to people like Canadian criminal psychologist Robert Hare, who developed the well known industry standard for identifying and evaluating psychopaths "The Hare Checklist", claims many times in his book Without Conscience, psychopaths also are just as strong in numbers. Factor in other mental disorders such as narcissists, anti-social personalities, histrionic, borderline personalities and so on and you get a very depressing idea of how society composed and just how surrounded you are.

We all have these people in our lives. We all are related to some. We all come into contact with them daily. It's important to note that mental disorders such as these are not an all or nothing affliction. There are degrees and many many shades of gray. Also, psychopaths are not accurately portrayed in movies and I believe something like less than 1% are actually violent. For the most part, you might just notice a selfish dickhead that made plans with you and blew you off without warning, maybe even leaving you standing on the street at the agreed time, in front of the agreed place,... with no call or warning, simply because something better came up that interested him more. I know for a fact, you have friends exactly like that, who have absolutely no ability to evaluate or understand the needs of others and with a little sprinkle of charm, people mistake their selfish, self serving behaviors for kindness and generosity and even "friendship".

And you used the word that is the primary cause of our blindness to them

"imagine".

If you are a normally functioning person, you simply cannot imagine what is like to NOT feel empathy for others. You cannot imagine what it is like to not feel shame or guilt or remorse for your actions and behavior. You cannot imagine what its like to hurt someone and not feel bad about it. You cannot imagine what its like to do something criminal completely on impulse with no thought whatsoever about the future and possible consequences. You just cannot imagine what its like to be a psychopath because you cannot imagine what its like to have severely dysfunctional emotional processing when your's is in tact. You just cannot imagine what it is like to stare at a box of kittens on fire and crying in pain and only standing there to admire the beauty of the flames.

Donny is a sick person. His existence here has always been one of "look at me, look at me". He has no achievements. He's made no money. He's had no real successes. He's completely unattractive. He's abrasive. He's manipulative... and much more. What is wrong with him? Who knows. I would guess a lot of things, and a lot of overlapping mental disorders... but all of his mental and emotional deficiencies coupled with the dream of public speaking for a living, suggests a lot. Among other red flags, public speaking suggests a lot of things. Public speaking only comes easy to a small group of people. I'm not talking about people who have to do it... but people who actively want to do it. Thats unique. That is a tell. Within the context of his behavior and having nothing to say but what he admitted upfront was going to be a lie, lying without conscience and standing up and speaking without any sort of shame, embarrassment to tell multiple lies over and over and over for his own personal gain (he's "born again", porn is dangerous etc etc etc etc) and at the expense of those listening and those he's worked with in the past, suggests that its pretty serious. The trouble is that all of those mental disorders overlap.. but there is no one here who has observed him, who can look up narcissistic, histrionic, sociopathic, psychopathic in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) and not think "holy shit... yup!... that's him". The fact that he chose that public speaking path told me right away "wow, he's likely a full blown sociopath"... but it could be a lot of things at once.

And people are shocked at his arguments, explanations and attempts at taking other people down. Guess what? All textbook behavior. He has no moral compass. He has no sense of right or wrong. At best, he only has a sense of "don't get caught". Once caught, if you truly have no sense of right or wrong or no moral compass whatsoever... how do you process whats happening? You do exactly what he did,... you come up with fantastic scenarios where your just a victim of unfair people and an unfair legal process. Guess what? probably 80% of all prison inmates have a similar story. "The system fucked me over", "My lawyer fucked me over", "The judge fucked me over", "The witnesses are all liars", "I was set up". This is why criminal psychologists usually study inmates. There is no greater collection of sociopaths and psychopaths that can be accessed under one roof.

Donny has said a lot. Really a lot.

What has he not mentioned?

The things left out, which really tell the story?

The things that an innocent person, a well functioning and emotionally healthy person would be most concerned about?

What are some things a true sociopath or psychopath won't authentically express?

Remorse. Guilt. Shame. Regret.

As I pointed out earlier... he feels no guilt, there no authentic sign of remorse, no empathy for the pain and suffering of others, nothing indicating that he is horrified that these girls will be put through this. The investigations, the interrogations, the psychological evaluations, the rape tests, being ostracized by friends and families, having the whole town believe they were sleeping with a fat sloth, etc etc etc etc etc. If you (anyone) truly cared about these young girls and looked at them as daughters, your first thoughts would not be about a wild, improbable bullshit story trying to hurt as many people as possible as you told it. They would be able the girls, about the friends and family who have to endure this. Regret that his mother has to be put through what she has. Regret that the girls families are being put through this. Regret to the church and those he's preached to (and collected speaking fees from). A truly innocent person who is functioning well emotionally would only be thinking about all the people that are being hurt and feeling remorse and regret for being at the center of it and the cause of it, rightly or wrongly.... everything else, would come second.

And lastly.... i'll say it again.

The innocent deny.
Liars explain.

Donn'y continues to explain. Page after page after page.

It should be simple after all,... "did you do xyz?".... "oh my god!! of course not!". But for the guilty man, who is completely unhinged mentally, it isn't that simple at all.

So true. At this point his letter reads like it is everyone else's fault but his and he is the victim here.

Here's an interesting thought. Early on in the letter he say the captain saw a letter from his daughter to this guy in jail telling him that she has a plan for how they can be together. Then supposedly there is a recorded conversation involving this captain, his daughter and that guy where they insinuate that Donny banged the daughter while the Captain watched. If Donny knows about this recording then where is it? If it exists and is evidence then wouldn't you think a decent attorney could show the letter talking about a plan and pair with a secret recording from later to show it was a setup?

It all doesn't make sense, but then, as he scrambles to explain the situation, details seem to get dropped.

He wrote pages yet still cannot explain anything. Sorry, I think he is guilty as sin.

Though anyone can be capable of lying like this, I am currently reading the book "without conscience" and he does a lot of studies on psychopathic inmates. One thing that he talks about constantly is their ability to make shit up without skipping a beat, get caught in the lie, ... then without skipping a beat, keep moving, make up another lie, redirect, make more shit up etc. Effortlessly.

If there are no over riding emotions like embarrassment/shame/guilt to curb this ("what if i get caught, they won't trust me anymore", "what if they know the truth, then they'll think i'm a...", "i couldn't feel right about saying..." etc), then there is no reason not to lie and keep lying.

Donny of course is expected to being in his position. Well, actually he would be expected to say "talk to my attorney" but he's too sick and all other urges override that little bit of common sense. I'm more interested in the fact that to date, not a single hint of regret, remorse or empathy... for anyone, anywhere, on any side of the issue. Not for his mother. Not for his church. Not for the girls families. Not for anyone.

That in itself, tells you with 100% certainty that his emotional wiring is badly damaged, misfiring or in some places, just not there at all.

1150 I didn't do it

Obviously nobody believes his bitch ass because FreeDonny.com is still available.

That's pretty much what I got out of it. But that doesn't square real well with the interview he gave back at the beginning of this mess.

Possible Connection Between Former Porn Producer Accused Of Sex With Minor And Sutter Sheriff’s Captain « CBS Sacramento

Video:

Pastor Who Produced Porn Reportedly Urged By Sheriff's Captain To Have Sex With Girl, 16 « CBS Sacramento

So from what I read in the letters he wrote he is saying that it is all pretty much bullshit, made up stuff. But in the interview he sounds pretty clear that at least that part really happened.

What a fucking mess.

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I found a nice paperback that Donny will enjoy....http://cb.pbsstatic.com/l/13/5013/9781592975013.jpg

Great quote if it's yours 'The innocent deny. Liars explain'. I think this is pretty true and you see it with criminals and even little kids. Over answering when accused is a pretty good tell that somebody is guilty of something. But if I was accused of some serious crime that I knew I was innocent of of course my first reaction would be 'Oh my god, this is crazy, I did not do this!' Then I would feel the need to explain how it was that I couldn't have done the crime.

I read a book a while back where a journalist spend a full year in a Baltimore homicide division and followed the detectives on their cases. One of them explained to him that for the most part someone who is innocent and is arrested freaks out when they get in the interrogation room because they are innocent and are shitting themselves about being accused of something they didn't do. Meanwhile, a guilty person is usually calm and has an explanation for everything.

Not mine. I am not sure where I heard it. But it springs to mind often as I watch someone give me a long winded explanation as to their innocence.

I would look at it more like Kane is saying. You'd eventually be trying to explain how it wasn't you... but how would you do it? You wouldn't have anything more than a few short answers. "I was at XZY watching the game... if you don't believe me, you can call them". You wouldn't have much more than that. When people are lying, they take things many many many times further and the answer is almost never "uh... i have absolutely no clue, how could i possibly know that?"

I forgot about that, he is such a sociopath. I said it at the time he gave that interview, no accused should be speaking to anybody but their lawyer, but he is under the delusion that he is smarter than everybody else and can defend himself masterfully. If he had kept his mouth shut, not been interviewed, and now not replied to Johnny Loads, his concocted story of the captain's daughter fabricating stories because she was mad at her father may have been believable to some, but now has a giant gaping hole in it - Donny backing up her story that the father was a creep who wanted to watch his own daughter have sex with Donny. And as I asked back then, when a friend of yours asks you to have sex with his underage daughter isn't the first thing you do IF you're a person who cares about the welfare of children is going to the authorities?

I don't doubt these girls are fucked up and capable of what his letter claims - look at the cretins who've raised them.

Incredible, he voluntarily ruined his own defense. His defense as laid out in his letter to Johnny Loads is that his own 'daughter' simply patterned her false accusation against him after her friend successfully blackmailed her father the sheriff's captain with a story. But Donny will of course say that in McElfresh's case the daughter's story is believable but in his own case absolutely not.

This whole thing would be more delicious if Donny's story was close to the truth.

I love the part in the letter where he includes that he and McElfresh had discussions, as concerned parents LOL, about the effects of marijuana on the still developing brains of adolescents. This is of course him already building himself a case of plausible denial, imagining that one day if these girls narc him and McElfresh out that they can rely on studies on marijuana and the teenaged brain to discredit the girls.

Somebody has to be writing a movie of this.

My favourite part of the letter was him talking about how close he is to AaronM and Baddog, and how AaronM wishes he'd have accepted his Skype call

Interesting stuff.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't he once say that McElfresh asked him to have sex with his daughter while he watched and Donny turned him down? Not it sounds like he is saying that never really happened, but McElfresh's daughter was threatening to say it did.

Donny can try to spin this any way he wants. He tries to play this off as if it's one victim. It seems there are two victims, PLUS an entire second case being filled against him with multiple other victims.

Yes that's what Sarrettah pointed out - this is what happens when you lie a lot, you forget exactly what you've lied about before and your new lies inevitably contradict the old lies ending up with nobody, other than your mother possibly, having any reason to believe anything you say.

Donny told the TV reporter unequivocally that McElfresh asked him to have sex with McElfresh's daughter in front of him. Now here he is today saying that McElfresh's daughter 'claimed' that her father had Donny have sex with her in front of him.

Now that I read it again I can foresee what Donny's rebuttal to this will be, he will maintain that the daughter's claim that Donny had sex with her is a lie, which lets him stick to the story that the father did ask him to have sex with her but he refused. He uses the word 'claim', implying she was telling a lie, only with respect to him having sex with the girl, not that there wasn't a proposition made to him by the father.

So riddle me this - how in the world after Donny rejects the idea of fucking the daughter does the daughter come up with this same exact scenario to tell the police? There's only two reasonable possibilities -

1) the captain told her he wanted to watch her have sex with Donny before asking Donny, she was up for it, but Donny rejected the offer

OR

2) she's not lying, she did have sex with Donny while the father watched and masturbated

"When he (the bf) finally got out of jail, she took him to talk to her dad. He (the bf) recorded a conversation where she claimed several threatening things, including the claim that he (the captain/dad) had me have sex with her while he (the captain/dad) watched and masturbated.She definitely slept with a lot of people while her boyfriend was in jail, but I was not one of them. However, Captain McElfresh was petrified of being accused of such charges so he gave her what she wanted and let her and her boyfriend do whatever they wished."


I believe it's the second but with the trash involved in this story who knows. McElfresh is guilty, both the daughter and Donny have fingered him as the orchestrator of at minimum the proposition that Donny have sex with his 16 year old daughter in front of him.

'The innocent deny. Liars explain'. that sums it up for sure....

He's getting exactly what he wants, being talked about on GFY.

could Donnys version be the truth? Why not.

it would demonstrate an insane amount of naivety though

but the real irony here is that one religious maniac is eventually thrown under the bus by two other religious maniacs - and all that in a civilized western society

^^^^^^^ And never underestimate the persuasive power of the penis.