Obama's Immigration speech

I took you off ignore just now - mostly for the comedy value.

What did you say that's wrong? I have no idea. I didn't even read it. No matter what Obama did or didn't do, you are going to rant and rave about it. You just don't like Obama.

I honestly do not even know what the President said last night, and frankly, I don't care. It has zero impact on me. Five million people will now be able to stay in the United States and take jobs? So.... Nothing at all has changed because they are already here and already taking up jobs.

This is so much bigger than just an immigration policy. Obamaboy there just set up the entire Republican party. First, the Republican party was going on the offensive to attack a lame duck president but instead Obama just sucked the wind out of their sails and put them on the defensive. Then eventually the Republican party will have two options - pass a bill on immigration or this will become a huge issue for the next election, and the Republican party will need the Hispanic vote then. The Republican party will not be able to have a serious run at the White House without the Hispanic vote.

Love how you can have an opinion on something you claim to have not read, there is the comedy

What makes this so entertaining is that you oppose Obama no matter what he does.

He's just pandering to his ultra-left base and the hispanic groups, this is all about 2016 and really has nothing to do with immigration.

If he really wanted reform he would have given the new congress a deadline to pass a bill under the threat of executive action if they didn't, all this is doing is getting the base ginned up and guaranteeing that there will be some ultra-right republicans frothing at the mouth that he can point to and say "see how much they hate you immigrants?"

Poll: 48 percent of Americans oppose immigration executive action

I hate all these scumbag politicians, there really needs to be a gallows outside the capitol building.

The move is partly altruistic...partly political.

He wants to give the Republicans a chance to make themselves look bad, which they most surely will do because they can't help themselves. They're very skilled at it, in fact. Just look at the Obamacare lawsuit they're finally putting into action.

They're going to spend the next 2 years ensuring they don't get back into the White House. I honeslty wish they would get their act together, because the government can't function when one side is guided by special interest groups like Heritage Action. They're responsible for the government shutdown last year, and they'll be responsible for the shutdown that happens over immigration. Boehner really has no choice.

I don't agree with Obama taking this path, but we all know that congress will do nothing -- and they've been given more than a chance to be the heroes in this situation. The bill has been sitting in the House for over 500 days but Heritage won't let them take a vote on it because they're afraid it might pass.

Right now I see 5 million entering the work force all at once.

The move is partly altruistic...partly political.

They are already in the "work force". Just not being counted.

Growing up in Florida, and now living in Vegas...I see them everywhere.

The only reason they are "illegal" is because the govt. created their "illegality".

As I said...the easiest and most sane way is to remove the insanity of bureaucracy that the govt. created for people to become citizens in the first place.

I've been hearing about this since the 1970's. And for it to take YEARS and thousands of dollars to become a citizen is ridiculous.

If a man wants to seek opportunity...then why shouldn't he be able to? What happened to the U.S. being a beacon of hope and freedom for the world?

We are a nation of immigrants. And as I said...you and I would not be here today if our ancestors had to apply for citizenship and go through the expense and long years of waiting (after being on the waiting list for several years)

At this point politics has become nothing more than a game. It's no longer about doing what is right, it's about keeping your party in power.

Here is a great example.... In NJ, they passed a law that prohibits inhumane confinement of breeding pigs in gestation crates, which was supported by 93% of the people in New Jersey. Instead, Governor Christie is going to veto it. An overwhelming majority of the residents in his state want this law, and Governor Christie is going to veto this because.... He doesn't want to upset the people of.... Iowa.... Really?

It turns out the Iowa caucuses is very important in politics and helps to determine who run for nomination at the upcoming national conventions for both parties. Governor Christie, in the event he decides to run, will need to be nominated so he needs to be friendly with the people of Iowa.

How does this law in NJ affect the people of Iowa? Iowa grows more pigs than any other state in the country.

That's pure bullshit right there.

@Vendzilla:
My point is that if your family had to go through what a person does today to gain citizenship...you wouldn't be here.

If it had taken years and years plus thousands of dollars to get through Ellis Island...we'd all be screwed.

I agree with everything that Obama said last night in his speech when he was talking about the people from Mexico in the U.S. "illegally".

But just like "Health Care"...the govt. is doing it all wrong.

Instead of all this bullshit and "securing the border" like the Republicans want to do (building our version of the Berlin Wall)...how about they simply re-write the rules to gain citizenship?

Why does it have to take years and cost a ton of money to become a citizen?

The United States that I grew up in was a beacon of hope and freedom. The Statue of Liberty is inscribed: "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

The United States I live in now seems to have lost it's way.

As I said, there is no need for "amnesty" or "securing the border" or any of this other nonsense.

People SHOULD be able to travel freely back and forth to Mexico. We certainly did for a couple of hundred years with no problems.

There shouldn't even be a "path to citizenship". It's already TOO FUCKING HARD if it takes a "path".
Most of us wouldn't even be here if our great-great-great grandparents had to try and jump through the hoops that our govt. has set up for immigrants.

If people want to come to live in the United States...let them. Especially the Mexican people.
My family owned citrus groves in Florida and I can first hand tell you that they are some of the most hard working people I have ever known.

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Right now I see 5 million entering the work force all at once, giving the unemployment rate some new numbers and potentially dropping the median wage further, and some how 5 million new people will get on the Obamacare dole and further adjust the cost of those that still have to pay for medical insurance.

.... Just want the secure the border. !

This is 100% on point. If anyone had any idea the amount of time/money/lawyers/investment risk/education levels etc to get even a VISA into the united states (not guaranteed citizenship) Your head would spin.

That's why immigration reform has stalled for so long, because the people that have to go at it legally, don't want to take a backseat to the ones that didn't.

We have fallen from the beacon of hope status in the last decade and we are a nation of immigrants. My family came from two different directions. First my name sake came thru legal means at Ellis island in 1901. My grandmothers side has been here all along as native Americans.

With all the recent scare of Eboli and other illness coming from people that should have never been allowed in the country, I think the open border idea has it's flaws. Security concerns should keep the border closed to all those that pose a threat to the country like that guy that crossed the border several times and was sent back with no punishment, even though it's a felony at that point, just to kill those police officers up by Sacramento.

With threats like Isis and other Islam Jihadist. I think it only prudent to close the southern border and to say we can't is not looking at the history of this country. We can do anything! I mean we do it at JFK airport, why not the southern border?

@Vendzilla:
My point is that if your family had to go through what a person does today to gain citizenship...you wouldn't be here.

If it had taken years and years plus thousands of dollars to get through Ellis Island...we'd all be screwed.

As for Muslim "terrorists" coming through Mexico?
I'm not of the persuasion that any of us should be living our lives in fear of the "boogeyman".
Crazy motherfuckers are always gonna do crazy shit. And creating a wall just like the communists did in Germany after WW2 is NOT the answer to anything in my humble opinion.