Obama's Immigration speech

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200

    #1

    Obama's Immigration speech

    Ok, so I'm for giving some of the immigrants a chance, but to do it half ass is pretty messed up. I know none of what he signed will go into effect till after the new congress is in place and hope the new congress will finish the job by securing the border.

    As usual, you can't believe a fucking thing that asshat in office has said

    OBAMA: "It does not grant citizenship, or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we're saying is we're not going to deport you."

    THE FACTS: He's saying, and doing, more than that. The changes also will make those covered eligible for work permits, allowing them to be employed in the country legally and compete with citizens and legal residents for better-paying jobs.


    OBAMA: "Although this summer, there was a brief spike in unaccompanied children being apprehended at our border, the number of such children is now actually lower than it's been in nearly two years."

    THE FACTS: The numbers certainly surged this year, but it was more than a "brief spike." The number of unaccompanied children apprehended at the border has been on the rise since the 2011 budget year. That year about 16,000 children were found crossing the border alone. In 2012, the Border Patrol reported more than 24,000 children, followed by more than 38,800 in 2013. In the past budget year, more than 68,361 children were apprehended.

    OBAMA: "Overall, the number of people trying to cross our border illegally is at its lowest level since the 1970s. Those are the facts."

    THE FACTS: Indeed, in the 2014 budget year ending Sept. 30 the Border Patrol made 486,651 arrests of border crossers, among the fewest since the early 1970s. But border arrests have been on the rise since 2011.

    The decline in crossings is not purely, or perhaps even primarily, due to the Obama administration. The deep economic recession early in his presidency and the shaky aftermath made the U.S. a less attractive place to come for work. The increase in arrests since 2011 also can be traced in part to the economy ? as the recovery improved, more people came in search of opportunity.


    OBAMA: "When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders."

    THE FACTS: He overlooked the fact that he promised as a candidate for president in 2008 to have an immigration bill during his first year in office and move forward on it quickly. He never kept that promise to the Latino community.

    FACT CHECK: Obama's claims on illegal immigration - Yahoo News

    Wouldn't it be nice to have a president that didn't talk like a lawyer and just told the truth?
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
  • Rochard
    Jägermeister Test Pilot
    • Dec 2001
    • 75733

    #2
    I knew I could count on you!

    Herschel Savage
    Brooklyn, NY

    Comment

    • seeric
      ..........
      • Aug 2004
      • 41917

      #3
      Lol Rochard. Haha.

      Comment

      • Vendzilla
        Biker Gnome
        • Mar 2004
        • 23200

        #4
        Originally posted by Rochard
        I knew I could count on you!

        What exactly did I say that's wrong, and do you still have me on ignore?
        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
        think about that

        Comment

        • brassmonkey
          Pay It Forward
          • Sep 2005
          • 77396

          #5
          obama!!
          TRUMP 2026 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law!
          DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

          Comment

          • MK Ultra
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2007
            • 879

            #6
            He's just pandering to his ultra-left base and the hispanic groups, this is all about 2016 and really has nothing to do with immigration.

            If he really wanted reform he would have given the new congress a deadline to pass a bill under the threat of executive action if they didn't, all this is doing is getting the base ginned up and guaranteeing that there will be some ultra-right republicans frothing at the mouth that he can point to and say "see how much they hate you immigrants?"

            Poll: 48 percent of Americans oppose immigration executive action

            I hate all these scumbag politicians, there really needs to be a gallows outside the capitol building.

            Comment

            • Rochard
              Jägermeister Test Pilot
              • Dec 2001
              • 75733

              #7
              Originally posted by Vendzilla
              What exactly did I say that's wrong, and do you still have me on ignore?
              I took you off ignore just now - mostly for the comedy value.

              What did you say that's wrong? I have no idea. I didn't even read it. No matter what Obama did or didn't do, you are going to rant and rave about it. You just don't like Obama.

              I honestly do not even know what the President said last night, and frankly, I don't care. It has zero impact on me. Five million people will now be able to stay in the United States and take jobs? So.... Nothing at all has changed because they are already here and already taking up jobs.

              This is so much bigger than just an immigration policy. Obamaboy there just set up the entire Republican party. First, the Republican party was going on the offensive to attack a lame duck president but instead Obama just sucked the wind out of their sails and put them on the defensive. Then eventually the Republican party will have two options - pass a bill on immigration or this will become a huge issue for the next election, and the Republican party will need the Hispanic vote then. The Republican party will not be able to have a serious run at the White House without the Hispanic vote.
              Herschel Savage
              Brooklyn, NY

              Comment

              • Rochard
                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                • Dec 2001
                • 75733

                #8
                Originally posted by MK Ultra
                He's just pandering to his ultra-left base and the hispanic groups, this is all about 2016 and really has nothing to do with immigration.

                If he really wanted reform he would have given the new congress a deadline to pass a bill under the threat of executive action if they didn't, all this is doing is getting the base ginned up and guaranteeing that there will be some ultra-right republicans frothing at the mouth that he can point to and say "see how much they hate you immigrants?"

                Poll: 48 percent of Americans oppose immigration executive action

                I hate all these scumbag politicians, there really needs to be a gallows outside the capitol building.
                Exactly. He is a lame duck president so what any one thinks about him is irrelevant. Instead, he's setting the stage for the election in 2016.
                Herschel Savage
                Brooklyn, NY

                Comment

                • 2MuchMark
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 50966

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rochard
                  This is so much bigger than just an immigration policy. Obamaboy there just set up the entire Republican party. First, the Republican party was going on the offensive to attack a lame duck president but instead Obama just sucked the wind out of their sails and put them on the defensive. Then eventually the Republican party will have two options - pass a bill on immigration or this will become a huge issue for the next election, and the Republican party will need the Hispanic vote then. The Republican party will not be able to have a serious run at the White House without the Hispanic vote.
                  I was thinking that too. The GOP is screwed. If they fight it, they lose the election in 2016 for sure. If they let it go, their base will be furious and they will lose the election anyway but for a different reason.

                  I'd love to see an Obama vs Boener chess game. Or Obama vs Mitch McConnel.

                  Comment

                  • dyna mo
                    just a fucking jerk
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 68184

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rochard
                    Exactly. He is a lame duck president so what any one thinks about him is irrelevant. Instead, he's setting the stage for the election in 2016.
                    lame duck doesn't apply here.

                    an executive order is far from lame duck status, exact opposite actually.

                    Comment

                    • dyna mo
                      just a fucking jerk
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 68184

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rochard
                      This is so much bigger than just an immigration policy. Obamaboy there just set up the entire Republican party. First, the Republican party was going on the offensive to attack a lame duck president but instead Obama just sucked the wind out of their sails and put them on the defensive. Then eventually the Republican party will have two options - pass a bill on immigration or this will become a huge issue for the next election, and the Republican party will need the Hispanic vote then. The Republican party will not be able to have a serious run at the White House without the Hispanic vote.
                      Thanks Obama! Way to prioritize what's important.

                      Comment

                      • Rochard
                        Jägermeister Test Pilot
                        • Dec 2001
                        • 75733

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MarkPrince
                        I was thinking that too. The GOP is screwed. If they fight it, they lose the election in 2016 for sure. If they let it go, their base will be furious and they will lose the election anyway but for a different reason.

                        I'd love to see an Obama vs Boener chess game. Or Obama vs Mitch McConnel.
                        At this point politics has become nothing more than a game. It's no longer about doing what is right, it's about keeping your party in power.

                        Here is a great example.... In NJ, they passed a law that prohibits inhumane confinement of breeding pigs in gestation crates, which was supported by 93% of the people in New Jersey. Instead, Governor Christie is going to veto it. An overwhelming majority of the residents in his state want this law, and Governor Christie is going to veto this because.... He doesn't want to upset the people of.... Iowa.... Really?

                        It turns out the Iowa caucuses is very important in politics and helps to determine who run for nomination at the upcoming national conventions for both parties. Governor Christie, in the event he decides to run, will need to be nominated so he needs to be friendly with the people of Iowa.

                        How does this law in NJ affect the people of Iowa? Iowa grows more pigs than any other state in the country.

                        That's pure bullshit right there.
                        Herschel Savage
                        Brooklyn, NY

                        Comment

                        • tony286
                          lurker
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 57021

                          #13
                          The senate passed an immigration bill over 500 days ago and it was truly bipartisan. Congress sat on it and the speaker refused to give it a up or down vote. They were not planning on doing anything, the speaker was asked after their big win if they vote on the immigration bill and he was very vague.

                          Comment

                          • Robbie
                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 20960

                            #14
                            I agree with everything that Obama said last night in his speech when he was talking about the people from Mexico in the U.S. "illegally".

                            But just like "Health Care"...the govt. is doing it all wrong.

                            Instead of all this bullshit and "securing the border" like the Republicans want to do (building our version of the Berlin Wall)...how about they simply re-write the rules to gain citizenship?

                            Why does it have to take years and cost a ton of money to become a citizen?

                            The United States that I grew up in was a beacon of hope and freedom. The Statue of Liberty is inscribed: "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

                            The United States I live in now seems to have lost it's way.

                            As I said, there is no need for "amnesty" or "securing the border" or any of this other nonsense.

                            People SHOULD be able to travel freely back and forth to Mexico. We certainly did for a couple of hundred years with no problems.

                            There shouldn't even be a "path to citizenship". It's already TOO FUCKING HARD if it takes a "path".
                            Most of us wouldn't even be here if our great-great-great grandparents had to try and jump through the hoops that our govt. has set up for immigrants.

                            If people want to come to live in the United States...let them. Especially the Mexican people.
                            My family owned citrus groves in Florida and I can first hand tell you that they are some of the most hard working people I have ever known.
                            -Robbie
                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

                            Comment

                            • Vendzilla
                              Biker Gnome
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 23200

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tony286
                              The senate passed an immigration bill over 500 days ago and it was truly bipartisan. Congress sat on it and the speaker refused to give it a up or down vote. They were not planning on doing anything, the speaker was asked after their big win if they vote on the immigration bill and he was very vague.
                              I guess they had a plan, guess it worked

                              Originally posted by Robbie
                              I agree with everything that Obama said last night in his speech when he was talking about the people from Mexico in the U.S. "illegally".

                              But just like "Health Care"...the govt. is doing it all wrong.

                              Instead of all this bullshit and "securing the border" like the Republicans want to do (building our version of the Berlin Wall)...how about they simply re-write the rules to gain citizenship?

                              Why does it have to take years and cost a ton of money to become a citizen?

                              The United States that I grew up in was a beacon of hope and freedom. The Statue of Liberty is inscribed: "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"

                              The United States I live in now seems to have lost it's way.

                              As I said, there is no need for "amnesty" or "securing the border" or any of this other nonsense.

                              People SHOULD be able to travel freely back and forth to Mexico. We certainly did for a couple of hundred years with no problems.

                              There shouldn't even be a "path to citizenship". It's already TOO FUCKING HARD if it takes a "path".
                              Most of us wouldn't even be here if our great-great-great grandparents had to try and jump through the hoops that our govt. has set up for immigrants.

                              If people want to come to live in the United States...let them. Especially the Mexican people.
                              My family owned citrus groves in Florida and I can first hand tell you that they are some of the most hard working people I have ever known.
                              Right now I see 5 million entering the work force all at once, giving the unemployment rate some new numbers and potentially dropping the median wage further, and some how 5 million new people will get on the Obamacare dole and further adjust the cost of those that still have to pay for medical insurance.
                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                              think about that

                              Comment

                              Working...