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Tam 11-14-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20290186)
Thats not true....

If you are looking for a job and you submit you resume, great. If THAT specific placement service doesn't find something for you, so be it. If they don't find ANYONE a job, so be it. You dont know on a public forum (that is filled with not just people looking for jobs, but with the COMPANIES you are looking to get hired by) and bash a head hunting service. It just doesn't look good.

When you are in a position where you are looking to get hired you stick to promoting yourself. Explain why you are a good hire, how you benefit a team.

You never, EVER come across as blaming someone, something as the reason you haven't been hired.

You have taken what I have said out of context, I'm not bashing anyone and haven't - I have said over and over and over, that I am not about trying to make trouble - it isn't my style or my way - I am merely trying to let people know that they are not alone, others haven't been aided in this service either so that THEY don't put all the weight of finding a job in this one area - because it isn't productive - I am not bashing anyone - I have no issues with Lori - not personally - and I don't know Eddie - I don't even really have issues with Xindustry jobs - what I get frustrated with is watching and hearing people get so upset that they don't get callbacks - and let them know, it isn't them, they aren't a lone - there are others in the same boat.

And I also don't agree with your assessment 100% as well - I'd want someone willing to fight for themselves and what they want, and not always "going with the flow" - someone with the nutsack to speak up about things - not someone who sits in the shadows and just wonders and waits for someone else to do it - have the nutsack to speak up for yourself and fight your own fight - I've not called anyone names, I've not put anyone down, I've merely asked the questions that others are wondering - and have expressed to me personally! Lori seems nice enough from what little I have spoken to her about - so it isn't even about her - :thumbsup

If I want to know something, I ask it myself, I don't wait for someone to ask it for me, and I don't sit down and wait to see if something is going to be said or happen, I go and ask it and do it myself -

I have said more than a few times, this isn't just about me, I am working with some very wonderful people right now and learning new skills from some great people - I never even one time have made anything personal AGAINST any one person - I just want others to see that they can't depend on things that may seem the simple route, because sometimes it just does not happen that way.

The jobs I have fund and tasks I am doing, I found myself or they found me and it is because of my abilities to either learn, take direction or because I have a backbone - you may not like all of my methods and this is fine - that's up to you, and you aren't a bad person for that, but not everyone will agree with the "Sit down and shut your mouth" style of working.

Tam 11-14-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20290194)
I want everyone to work and do well :)

Im just saying, if they haven't been a good vehicle for you, so be it, but there is NO benefit to anyone in bashing them publicly.

Im sure you didn't mean it too, but it just comes off as though you are blaming them. Again, thats what I got when I read it. Just trying to help.

Maybe I have worded things a bit off beat then, because that is so not been my point, lilke I said, for the most part, I like Lori personally, she has always been nice enough to respond to most things - and I know she has a job - so if it came off that way, it is SOOOO not my point or intent and I apologize if that's how it came out.

ANYONE that knows me, knows I am not one to create or start drama and I do NOT put people down, not even ones that have worked me over like some have - so please keep in mind, this information for future reference - to me a discussion is not bashing - it is a discussion and maybe - just MAYBE - something good will come of it - that is my only point - I am not a person that just puts people down, I am seriously not.

I DO SPEAK MY MIND - BUT NEVER FOR BAD INTENT - if I upset anyone, I am sincerely sorry - I just am having a discussion abut an issue that I see, unlike some members of the board, I am not "going after" anyone. ;)

aka123 11-14-2014 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tam (Post 20290204)
You have taken what I have said out of context, I'm not bashing anyone and haven't - I have said over and over and over, that I am not about trying to make trouble - it isn't my style or my way - I am merely trying to let people know that they are not alone, others haven't been aided in this service either so that THEY don't put all the weight of finding a job in this one area - because it isn't productive - I am not bashing anyone - I have no issues with Lori - not personally - and I don't know Eddie - I don't even really have issues with Xindustry jobs - what I get frustrated with is watching and hearing people get so upset that they don't get callbacks - and let them know, it isn't them, they aren't a lone - there are others in the same boat.

And I also don't agree with your assessment 100% as well - I'd want someone willing to fight for themselves and what they want, and not always "going with the flow" - someone with the nutsack to speak up about things - not someone who sits in the shadows and just wonders and waits for someone else to do it - have the nutsack to speak up for yourself and fight your own fight - I've not called anyone names, I've not put anyone down, I've merely asked the questions that others are wondering - and have expressed to me personally! Lori seems nice enough from what little I have spoken to her about - so it isn't even about her - :thumbsup

If I want to know something, I ask it myself, I don't wait for someone to ask it for me, and I don't sit down and wait to see if something is going to be said or happen, I go and ask it and do it myself -

I have said more than a few times, this isn't just about me, I am working with some very wonderful people right now and learning new skills from some great people - I never even one time have made anything personal AGAINST any one person - I just want others to see that they can't depend on things that may seem the simple route, because sometimes it just does not happen that way.

The jobs I have fund and tasks I am doing, I found myself or they found me and it is because of my abilities to either learn, take direction or because I have a backbone - you may not like all of my methods and this is fine - that's up to you, and you aren't a bad person for that, but not everyone will agree with the "Sit down and shut your mouth" style of working.

At least you have quite impressive writing speed. That in about twelve minutes, minus reaction time. :)

JA$ON 11-14-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SongRider (Post 20290201)
That is just simply YOUR opinion...The issue is not with anyone other than XINDUSTRYJOBS...

If a Head Hunting service is doing NOTHING for ANYONE for years on end and ANYONE calls them out on it then good deal...

LOTS and LOTS of people ask this SAME question in the hiring forum over and over and are completely ignored time and time again... THIS time Tam just got sick of being ignored and so have plenty of others that just dont have the balls to ask XINDUSTRYJOBS WTF is going on?

Not really my opinion as much as it is a generally accepted rule.

I have a very close connection to a couple of the largest executive recruitment companies in the world. They place exec positions (500k pr yr and up) for Yahoo, MS etc. The number one rule (of many) is that you never, ever blame (or come across as blaming, even if that wasn't what you meant) someone or something else as the reason you have yet to find work. You stay positive. If a recruitment service sends you out to meet 10 clients (clients wont even meet with you unless your qualifications are right, so at this point its about selling YOURSELF) and none of them hire you, you know what you do??? You thank them for having given you the opportunity and look fwd to working with them in the future and meeting any future perspective employers.

NOW....if this was a board for jobseekers, I would say its not as big a deal, but this board is a mix of job seekers and employers.

Negative of making the statement: Could come across as blaming, negative etc. Its not going to make other (not that there are many in this biz, but Im speaking generally) recruiters want to work with you or look to place you as you may blame them in the same way. Also, just being negative in any way is generally frowned upon.

Benefit to making the statement: NONE (other than maybe feeling better for having vented, but I doubt that 2 minor relief outweighs the potentially negative consequences)

Honestly Im really trying to help. I want everyone to be working, making $. As an employer, Im just commenting on how the post came across to me.

JA$ON 11-14-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tam (Post 20290206)
Maybe I have worded things a bit off beat then, because that is so not been my point, lilke I said, for the most part, I like Lori personally, she has always been nice enough to respond to most things - and I know she has a job - so if it came off that way, it is SOOOO not my point or intent and I apologize if that's how it came out.

ANYONE that knows me, knows I am not one to create or start drama and I do NOT put people down, not even ones that have worked me over like some have - so please keep in mind, this information for future reference - to me a discussion is not bashing - it is a discussion and maybe - just MAYBE - something good will come of it - that is my only point - I am not a person that just puts people down, I am seriously not.

I DO SPEAK MY MIND - BUT NEVER FOR BAD INTENT - if I upset anyone, I am sincerely sorry - I just am having a discussion abut an issue that I see, unlike some members of the board, I am not "going after" anyone. ;)

Again, I really am not pointing it out for any other reason than constructive criticism. We often don't think of the little things like this meaning much, but I have a very close connection to someone in that business and Its really amazing at how the smallest little thing can make a difference (example: Generally they place 500K per yr jobs, but they have someone at that company that does NOTHING but review resumes so that they read a certain way. Every person they place has an amazing track record, MBA+, beautiful resume etc, but they know how to read between the lines. The smallest thing in the way a resume is written or a question is answered can completely shift the way you are looked at by the placement team as well as the clients.

I really hope you find what your looking for and wish you the best :)

seeric 11-14-2014 03:43 PM

Most of the folks who are unemployed aren't specialists in any thing, or don't have the technical abilities to be employed in today's Internet. I see a lot of resumes.

The Internet business as a whole really requires skill sets at every level now, not just programmers, etc.

Many of the people who were considered capable even 5 years ago in adult, are not employable anymore.

My 2 cents. That and 25 dollars will get you a latte at Starbucks.

adultchatpay 11-14-2014 03:43 PM

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Tam 11-14-2014 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20290219)
Again, I really am not pointing it out for any other reason than constructive criticism. We often don't think of the little things like this meaning much, but I have a very close connection to someone in that business and Its really amazing at how the smallest little thing can make a difference (example: Generally they place 500K per yr jobs, but they have someone at that company that does NOTHING but review resumes so that they read a certain way. Every person they place has an amazing track record, MBA+, beautiful resume etc, but they know how to read between the lines. The smallest thing in the way a resume is written or a question is answered can completely shift the way you are looked at by the placement team as well as the clients.

I really hope you find what your looking for and wish you the best :)

Oh boy do I ever agree with you on this - and this is exactly why if I have something to say, I do it without calling names, putting anyone down and if I am having a discussion, you will rarely ever even see the word damn out of me - because I am a firm believer in a person being judged on how they handle the good is a far better use of their character traits and what I'd be looking for than anything good - anyone can take a good situation and make it ok - but a bad one, that is how I want to be judged, in how I handle the bad ones - and I TRY and always handle them as best and professionally as I can - so I get what you are saying probably better than anyone.

And I also, and 200% think, that a person should be able to voice their opinion as long as it is not in the line of a personal attack, which I have not done here - but they should be able to question and ask and voice without fear of retaliation - there isn't anything wrong with that to me - now if I came here and called them, or anyone, a bunch of nasty names - sure, jump all over me - I'd deserve that.

BUT, sending someone resumes - asking for jobs, applying for them and then following up, that shouldn't ever be seen as negative - or bad or anything, I'd think that would be a bit of a show of "This person is determined and wants a job and wants to work", that's how I would see it.

My husband actually used to work in a Human Resources Office as well years and years ago and he was the one that did all of the hiring for a few upstart places in our area - so he knows as well - you can call and ask, and so on, but don't call him and jump him, because it will get you nowhere - but a simple discussion or followup - that is seen as fine - at least in my mind.

Everyone wants a different personality - I want one with a spine, a set of testicles, an opinion - and the respect to voice that without being snarky and mean - which is all I am trying to do. :thumbsup

Tam 11-14-2014 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JA$ON (Post 20290219)
Again, I really am not pointing it out for any other reason than constructive criticism. We often don't think of the little things like this meaning much, but I have a very close connection to someone in that business and Its really amazing at how the smallest little thing can make a difference (example: Generally they place 500K per yr jobs, but they have someone at that company that does NOTHING but review resumes so that they read a certain way. Every person they place has an amazing track record, MBA+, beautiful resume etc, but they know how to read between the lines. The smallest thing in the way a resume is written or a question is answered can completely shift the way you are looked at by the placement team as well as the clients.

I really hope you find what your looking for and wish you the best :)

I honestly think we may be trying to say the same things, just have a very different way of saying them - and a different road to get there - :thumbsup

PaperstreetWinston 11-14-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SongRider (Post 20289639)
They currently list 19 "Remote or Possible remote" gigs...

SURELY SOME ONE from this board I have seen looking for work over the last year would qualify for at least an interview for one of these positions?

Yet they are ALL still looking for the most part.:(

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Goldmine right here for sure! Good luck, there's definitely one here for you

Seth Manson 11-14-2014 05:00 PM

50 resumes

HiddenDoorCash 11-14-2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PDeluxe (Post 20290287)
Goldmine right here for sure! Good luck, there's definitely one here for you

i know several people, everyone has said the same thing. No Replies, No Interviews
and never a job! 3 people all told me the same thing.

The biggest complaint.. NO ONE replies ( except Lori ) now that she is here.

seeric 11-14-2014 06:21 PM

Why would you feel entitled to a response? They're looking for candidates qualified to positions open. If you didn't get a response you aren't qualified or the company with the opening passed on taking an interview with you. I've hired 3 people from these guts in the last 2-3 years, so yes people get jobs form them.

I've never expected a response from resume or CV submission if I wasn't qualified for the position.


:2cents

Tam 11-14-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 20290365)
Why would you feel entitled to a response? They're looking for candidates qualified to positions open. If you didn't get a response you aren't qualified or the company with the opening passed on taking an interview with you. I've hired 3 people from these guts in the last 2-3 years, so yes people get jobs form them.

I've never expected a response from resume or CV submission if I wasn't qualified for the position.


:2cents

I think all but 2, that I can remember, that I interviewed with, got back with me and at least let me know they went another direction, I wasn't what they were looking for, whatever way it went that I wasn't getting the job, they let me know - even in my real world, I've always been let know - whether it was because I followed up and was persist ant or whatever reason, but all of them let me know. And most let me know why -

I don't say I feel entitled to a response back - my main thing was just more curious if anyone had ever been hired from this service, and I think that's what others have asked and mentioned as well - people genuinely want to know if this service has been useful - at least that's my take from it. :winkwink:


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