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  • SilentKnight
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    • Oct 2005
    • 24812

    #1

    Rant My first - "You can't vape here" order

    A co-worker and I were havin' a coffee break this afternoon at a Tim Horton's - stealth vaping at a table away from other customers. The place was mostly empty...maybe 4-5 other customers. After ten minutes or so, the manager of the place walks over to us and says he'd gotten a complaint from another customer and told us we couldn't vape in the place.

    In a year since switching from cigs to vaping...it's the first time we've been approached anywhere and told we couldn't vape the e-cigs.

    Neither of us wasted our time arguing or debating with the assclown. His establishment, his rules. His ignorance of it all. Finished our coffees and left.

    The good thing is - there's no shortage of Timmies in our area. They're about 100 yards apart.
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    • Jan 2003
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    #2
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    • Struggle4Bucks
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      • May 2011
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      #3
      Originally posted by SilentKnight
      A co-worker and I were havin' a coffee break this afternoon at a Tim Horton's - stealth vaping at a table away from other customers. The place was mostly empty...maybe 4-5 other customers. After ten minutes or so, the manager of the place walks over to us and says he'd gotten a complaint from another customer and told us we couldn't vape in the place.

      In a year since switching from cigs to vaping...it's the first time we've been approached anywhere and told we couldn't vape the e-cigs.

      Neither of us wasted our time arguing or debating with the assclown. His establishment, his rules. His ignorance of it all. Finished our coffees and left.

      The good thing is - there's no shortage of Timmies in our area. They're about 100 yards apart.
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      • Best-In-BC
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        • Jun 2002
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        #4
        lol, the ignorance of believing your only exhaling "water vapor" is funny to me.
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        • Phoenix
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          • Nov 2002
          • 35475

          #5
          You were smoking a drug inside a tim hortons...and you wonder why you were asked to leave?
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          • atom
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            • Apr 2002
            • 2740

            #6
            I fucking hate smelling that shit when I am out, especially at a restaurant.
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            • georgeyw
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              • Jul 2005
              • 9865

              #7
              Originally posted by SilentKnight
              A co-worker and I were havin' a coffee break this afternoon at a Tim Horton's - stealth vaping at a table away from other customers. The place was mostly empty...maybe 4-5 other customers. After ten minutes or so, the manager of the place walks over to us and says he'd gotten a complaint from another customer and told us we couldn't vape in the place.

              In a year since switching from cigs to vaping...it's the first time we've been approached anywhere and told we couldn't vape the e-cigs.

              Neither of us wasted our time arguing or debating with the assclown. His establishment, his rules. His ignorance of it all. Finished our coffees and left.

              The good thing is - there's no shortage of Timmies in our area. They're about 100 yards apart.
              Was this indoors?

              Vaping does have a smell to it and not a nice one for those that do not vape.
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              • SongRider
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                • Feb 2001
                • 651

                #8
                It dont matter what you do anymore SOMEONE will be offended...

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                • RTP
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                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1335

                  #9
                  it's banned in most places here in CA (even outdoors on patios), starting to see no smoking or vaping signs now
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                  • Penny24Seven
                    So Fucking What
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 6287

                    #10
                    thing is people don't know what is in it and when they can smell it they have no idea what is going in their bodies. I own a shop and hear about it all the time.
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                    • Manfap
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                      • Jan 2013
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                      #11
                      Good, why should people smell that?

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                      • JFK
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                        • Jan 2002
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Phoenix
                        You were smoking a drug inside a tim hortons...and you wonder why you were asked to leave?
                        You never know whats in it, we do not allow it inside my bar, or even the patio is suspect.

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                        • Jel
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                          • Feb 2007
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                          #13
                          man you gotta fucking reach deep inside your 'this is my offended cupboard' to get upset about the 'smell' of e-cigs.

                          My mum has asthma blahblah and can smell a cig at 2 miles, coughs her guts up if cigarette smoke is anywhere near her, and if she can be perfectly fine around ecig vapour, that tells me all I need to know about how 'bad' the smell of it is.

                          The smell of everyday traffic is worse, but I'd put my house on less than 0.001% of people who say ecig vapour affects them so much that they feel affected by it having the same viewpoint on 'forcing' everyone to smell their exhaust fumes.

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                          • Manfap
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                            • Jan 2013
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jel
                            man you gotta fucking reach deep inside your 'this is my offended cupboard' to get upset about the 'smell' of e-cigs.

                            My mum has asthma blahblah and can smell a cig at 2 miles, coughs her guts up if cigarette smoke is anywhere near her, and if she can be perfectly fine around ecig vapour, that tells me all I need to know about how 'bad' the smell of it is.

                            The smell of everyday traffic is worse, but I'd put my house on less than 0.001% of people who say ecig vapour affects them so much that they feel affected by it having the same viewpoint on 'forcing' everyone to smell their exhaust fumes.
                            The smell of my farts doesn't bother me (most of the time), but I wouldn't drop them in a cafe/bar. It's just being respectful no?

                            ps I haven't got a car so no fumes from me! hehe.

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                            • nico-t
                              emperor of my world
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 29901

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RTP
                              it's banned in most places here in CA (even outdoors on patios), starting to see no smoking or vaping signs now
                              lol.. that is fucking ridiculous.

                              edit: due to the constantly added rules pussified people who complain about anything are growing rapidly. They get conditioned by all these rules, so freedoms being stripped away is seen as normal by these idiots.

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                              • Manfap
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                                • Jan 2013
                                • 2626

                                #16
                                Originally posted by nico-t
                                lol.. that is fucking ridiculous.

                                edit: due to the constantly added rules pussified people who complain about anything are growing rapidly. They get conditioned by all these rules, so freedoms being stripped away is seen as normal by these idiots.
                                You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?

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                                • nico-t
                                  emperor of my world
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 29901

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Manfap
                                  You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?
                                  you can lace your drink as well.


                                  and i was talking more about the general rules - no smoking outside/on patio? What the fuck is that? And the only reason they are treating vaping the same is because of big tobacco money.

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                                  • kane
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                                    • Aug 2001
                                    • 20684

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Jel
                                    man you gotta fucking reach deep inside your 'this is my offended cupboard' to get upset about the 'smell' of e-cigs.

                                    My mum has asthma blahblah and can smell a cig at 2 miles, coughs her guts up if cigarette smoke is anywhere near her, and if she can be perfectly fine around ecig vapour, that tells me all I need to know about how 'bad' the smell of it is.

                                    The smell of everyday traffic is worse, but I'd put my house on less than 0.001% of people who say ecig vapour affects them so much that they feel affected by it having the same viewpoint on 'forcing' everyone to smell their exhaust fumes.
                                    I have asthma as well and I can tell you that smoke (and inhaling it even in tiny amouts) is very different than something that just smells.

                                    I bet your mom can smell the e-cig, but it doesn't bother her because it isn't actual smoke.

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                                    • EddyTheDog
                                      Just Doing My Own Thing
                                      • Jan 2011
                                      • 25433

                                      #19
                                      I was smoking outside a bar in Spain a while ago and some prat decided to do the fake cough thing and wouldn't stop bitching - I kept my temper until he got up and got into his unnecessarily huge 30 year old diesel SUV - I lost it and he got a right earful - It wont make any difference but I felt better...

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                                      • EddyTheDog
                                        Just Doing My Own Thing
                                        • Jan 2011
                                        • 25433

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Manfap
                                        You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?
                                        You can use just about anything to do things you shouldn't, also dope oil would be fairly obvious - Not a good enough reason to ban it IMHO...

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                                        • Jel
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                                          • Feb 2007
                                          • 6904

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by kane
                                          I have asthma as well and I can tell you that smoke (and inhaling it even in tiny amouts) is very different than something that just smells.

                                          I bet your mom can smell the e-cig, but it doesn't bother her because it isn't actual smoke.
                                          yeah that's kinda my point - she isn't so much up her own ass that anything she doesn't like causes her to call for a stop to it. She wouldn't be slow in letting me know if it smelled horrible, so I really do believe that this is one of those cases where people get the hump just because they can, and/or feel entitled to.

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                                          • DamageX
                                            Marketing & Strategy
                                            • Jun 2001
                                            • 14293

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by SongRider
                                            It dont matter what you do anymore SOMEONE will be offended...
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                                            Originally posted by Manfap
                                            The smell of my farts doesn't bother me (most of the time), but I wouldn't drop them in a cafe/bar. It's just being respectful no?
                                            Isn't it respectful to allow other people to do shit they want too? I wouldn't ask you to stop farting, regardless of how bad they smelled. For all I know you have a condition that makes you seriously sick if you keep your farts in.

                                            Originally posted by Manfap
                                            You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?
                                            I don't know about that. I don't think any establishment can be held responsible for their customers behavior, in terms of what they consume, unless it's blatantly obvious, like smoking pot.

                                            Originally posted by nico-t
                                            you can lace your drink as well.
                                            Or anything else, for that matter. Without the establishment's staff knowledge.
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                                            • Jel
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                                              • Feb 2007
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Manfap
                                              The smell of my farts doesn't bother me (most of the time), but I wouldn't drop them in a cafe/bar. It's just being respectful no?

                                              ps I haven't got a car so no fumes from me! hehe.
                                              well let's be honest, farts smell in a bad way, couple that with the psychological thing where you know it came out from inside someone's shit-lined colon, and that makes for a far different smell than something you have tuned yourself to dislike, purely because of the association with smoking/smokers.

                                              If people were being really honest, I very much doubt they'd class the smell of ecig vapour as being 'bad' were they to smell various aromas without knowing where they came from.

                                              A fart would smell bad if someone just said here smell this and say if it's good or bad, whereas I don't believe the same would apply to ecig vapour, regardless of anyone who thinks they have some kind of superpowered sense of smell. I'll wager that not a single blind person has ever said 'that smells horrible' when they smell ecig vapour for the first time, but the visual of a smoker, coupled with the sight of the vapour, then smelling *something* is enough to make that person internally class it as a 'bad' smell

                                              And wtf, no car? are you insane?

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                                              • Jel
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                                                • Feb 2007
                                                • 6904

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by nico-t
                                                due to the constantly added rules pussified people who complain about anything are growing rapidly. They get conditioned by all these rules, so freedoms being stripped away is seen as normal by these idiots.
                                                yup, this

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                                                • Manfap
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                                                  • Jan 2013
                                                  • 2626

                                                  #25
                                                  I just think the vaping craze is like the smoking is good for you adverts in the 50's.

                                                  There's still shit in that vapor in the air. If you have 20-30 people all vaping in a room, you're inhaling shit.

                                                  I smoke, it's not an anti smoke rant. I just dont think people should have to inhale other peoples secondhand crap indoors.

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                                                  • Jel
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                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                    • 6904

                                                    #26
                                                    I reckon we have come a long way since the 50's as to knowing what's in what, and whether 2nd hand ecog vapour is dangerous. How long would it take for someone to find out? It's 2014, we have millions and millions of chemicals filed, and the ingredients aren't any kind of secret.

                                                    I also don't think anyone thinks vaping is good for the vaper, but it's a far sight cheaper than cigarettes, and for those of us who are anti-gov't, it's a way to get our fix, and pay less tax for it. Vaping has been around what, 10 years now? In this age of science, I'd have thought if there were any actual harmful particles in ecig vapour, it'd have been spotted.

                                                    And this is outdoors we are talking about as well - patios etc as posted above. I don't bother with the ecigs indoors etc, not worth the inevitable moaning by others, it just cracks me up that people are so concerned with someone else's ecig vapour, when they inhale 100x (figure I pulled out of my ass, anyone who isn't lazy please go and check) more harmful fumes when they take a 200 yard walk (pulled from ass figure #2) down any street with high traffic.

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                                                    • Manfap
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Jel
                                                      I also don't think anyone thinks vaping is good for the vaper, but it's a far sight cheaper than cigarettes, and for those of us who are anti-gov't, it's a way to get our fix, and pay less tax for it.


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                                                      • arock10
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                                                        • Jan 2006
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                                                        #28
                                                        Ecig vaping is just stupid, vape weed or get a new hobby
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                                                        • DamageX
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                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 14293

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by arock10
                                                          Ecig vaping is just stupid, vape weed or get a new hobby
                                                          You can only do that at home though, right?
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                                                          • JFK
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                                                            • Jan 2002
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Manfap
                                                            You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?
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                                                            • arock10
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                                                              • Jan 2006
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                              You can only do that at home though, right?
                                                              Thanks to all the idiots blowing out clouds of ecig sweet tart nastiness uhhh yea only at home.
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                                                              • PR_Glen
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                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                • 9058

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Best-In-BC
                                                                lol, the ignorance of believing your only exhaling "water vapor" is funny to me.
                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                You were smoking a drug inside a tim hortons...and you wonder why you were asked to leave?
                                                                Yeah no shit. Just because there is a temporary loophole in a lot of places still doesn't imply rights to anyone..
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                                                                • jigga
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                                                                  • May 2001
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                  I just dont think people should have to inhale other peoples secondhand crap indoors.

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                                                                  • PAR
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                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                    • 1835

                                                                    #34
                                                                    As a smoker I also use ecigs...
                                                                    I try not to smoke in my home or car so I use the ecig (the non nicotine kind).
                                                                    Well aware of it potentially being as safe as smoking a normal cigarette, but even I don't like the smell of cigarette.
                                                                    But when it comes to using them in public or other peoples homes etc.. ,
                                                                    I just treat the issue as if the ecig was a real cigarette and just step outside.
                                                                    After all it is my choice to use them and to smoke. The people around me may not agree with this choice.

                                                                    As for the people that fake cough etc well I'm smoking in locations that it is 100% permitted... I could careless about them, they can take a few steps away from me and solve their own issue.. Not to mention 1/2 the time they are the same people that ask to borrow a smoke after a few drinks.

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                                                                    • pornguy
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                                                                      • Mar 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      I think as long as the guy was polite then it should not be an issue.

                                                                      Might also be a company policy .
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                                                                      • seeric
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 41917

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Thankfully, most of that shit is banned in California establishments. I don't want to smell some ecigs and vapes burning. It's a common courtesy issue. Why should someone else have the right to put something into my body that I am not choosing to put there? The answer is, they shouldn't, and the states are making laws to ensure it, since common courtesy is lost to a sense of entitlement. Public places will always need to be regulated because you have inconsiderate people who don't care about another person's health.

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                                                                        • nico-t
                                                                          emperor of my world
                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                          • 29901

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by seeric
                                                                          Thankfully, most of that shit is banned in California establishments. I don't want to smell some ecigs and vapes burning. It's a common courtesy issue. Why should someone else have the right to put something into my body that I am not choosing to put there? The answer is, they shouldn't, and the states are making laws to ensure it, since common courtesy is lost to a sense of entitlement. Public places will always need to be regulated because you have inconsiderate people who don't care about another person's health.
                                                                          a bar is a place to relax and not care about these rules: how much you drink, or if you smoke cigarettes or not. Before the ban there wasn't 1 person in a bar or club who would complain when you smoked - live and let live, who gives a fuck, nobody thought twice about it. And i've probably been a thousand times in bars and clubs. Now with the smoke ban everyone suddenly complains if you do. Everyone has turned into whiners.

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                                                                          • slapass
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                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                            • 14625

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                            You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?
                                                                            No they don't fined or penalized if you use illegal drugs on your own. It when they are knowing supportive of it that it is an issue.

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                                                                            • kane
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                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                              • 20684

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by nico-t
                                                                              a bar is a place to relax and not care about these rules: how much you drink, or if you smoke cigarettes or not. Before the ban there wasn't 1 person in a bar or club who would complain when you smoked - live and let live, who gives a fuck, nobody thought twice about it. And i've probably been a thousand times in bars and clubs. Now with the smoke ban everyone suddenly complains if you do. Everyone has turned into whiners.
                                                                              I would argue that many people hated smoke in bars and clubs before the laws changed, but if you wanted to go out to these places you didn't have any other option so you just put up with it.

                                                                              As a guy with asthma and who made my living in my early 20's going to clubs and writing about music/bands it drove me insane and I would often step outside to get some air. I also hated going home smelling like smoke. I would have bitched about it, but it wouldn't have done any good.

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                                                                              • marcop
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                You can easily drop dope oil in vapers. So does an establishment want people taking drugs on their premises. They'd be the ones getting fined no?
                                                                                I visited some old friends in Marin County, north of San Francisco, last month. We had dinner then went to a music venue owned by one of the members of a legendary band. As the owner and his son's band were playing inside, we opted to sit out on the patio so we could talk. As we chatted, marijuana smoke wafted over us, and although I and my two friends don't smoke pot any more, we weren't bothered. And neither were the patrons smoking weed--at no point did we see them hassled by the staff. It's the first time I've been in a commercial establishment where people were openly smoking pot and not being kicked out or asked to stop, etc.

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                                                                                • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                  • 50884

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Passive Vaping is Harmful according to this:

                                                                                  http://www.webmd.boots.com/news/2014...vaping-harmful

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                                                                                  • seeric
                                                                                    ..........
                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                    • 41917

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by nico-t
                                                                                    a bar is a place to relax and not care about these rules: how much you drink, or if you smoke cigarettes or not. Before the ban there wasn't 1 person in a bar or club who would complain when you smoked - live and let live, who gives a fuck, nobody thought twice about it. And i've probably been a thousand times in bars and clubs. Now with the smoke ban everyone suddenly complains if you do. Everyone has turned into whiners.
                                                                                    Complete bullshit.

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                                                                                    • SilentKnight
                                                                                      Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                                      • 24812

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Best-In-BC
                                                                                      lol, the ignorance of believing your only exhaling "water vapor" is funny to me.
                                                                                      That's okay. Your one-line baseless assertion is equally funny to me.

                                                                                      Originally posted by atom
                                                                                      I fucking hate smelling that shit when I am out, especially at a restaurant.
                                                                                      I hate the smell of your deodorant/cologne/perfume.

                                                                                      Originally posted by Manfap
                                                                                      There's still shit in that vapor in the air. If you have 20-30 people all vaping in a room, you're inhaling shit.
                                                                                      I didn't know that. I'd really like to read more - especially a clarification of "shit". Can you link me to the source material your conclusion was based on? Seriously.

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                                                                                      • Jel
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                                                                                        • Feb 2007
                                                                                        • 6904

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                                                                        Passive Vaping is Harmful according to this:

                                                                                        http://www.webmd.boots.com/news/2014...vaping-harmful
                                                                                        where's the part about it being harmful, I'm not finding it

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                                                                                        • Jel
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                                                                                          • Feb 2007
                                                                                          • 6904

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by seeric
                                                                                          Thankfully, most of that shit is banned in California establishments. I don't want to smell some ecigs and vapes burning. It's a common courtesy issue. Why should someone else have the right to put something into my body that I am not choosing to put there? The answer is, they shouldn't, and the states are making laws to ensure it, since common courtesy is lost to a sense of entitlement. Public places will always need to be regulated because you have inconsiderate people who don't care about another person's health.
                                                                                          do you own a car/motorcycle?

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                                                                                          • SilentKnight
                                                                                            Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                                                            • 24812

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Jel
                                                                                            where's the part about it being harmful, I'm not finding it
                                                                                            I looked and couldn't find, either.

                                                                                            But then realized it's an article on a drugstore webpage.

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                                                                                            • JFK
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                              No they don't fined or penalized if you use illegal drugs on your own. It when they are knowing supportive of it that it is an issue.
                                                                                              If you are knowingly allowing it, you are responsible. You have to keep an eye out and be in total control of the establishment

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                                                                                              • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                • Aug 2004
                                                                                                • 50884

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Jel
                                                                                                where's the part about it being harmful, I'm not finding it
                                                                                                It is recommending:

                                                                                                Minimising potential health risks to e-cigarette users and non-users, including an indoor ban
                                                                                                The World Health Organisation says e-cigarette aerosol is not just water vapour', as it says is sometimes claimed.
                                                                                                their use "poses threats to adolescents and foetuses of pregnant mothers using these devices."
                                                                                                E-cigarettes, it says, also "increase the exposure of non-smokers and bystanders to nicotine and a number of toxicants".
                                                                                                etc.

                                                                                                peace.

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                                                                                                • EddyTheDog
                                                                                                  Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                                                  • Jan 2011
                                                                                                  • 25433

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  The other thing of course is that it would be nice to support people that are trying to give up smoking - Show them some love...

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                                                                                                  • EddyTheDog
                                                                                                    Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                                                    • Jan 2011
                                                                                                    • 25433

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                                                                                    etc.

                                                                                                    peace.
                                                                                                    E-cigarettes, it says, also "increase the exposure of non-smokers and bystanders to nicotine and a number of toxicants".
                                                                                                    What other toxicants?..

                                                                                                    Also nicotine is no worse than caffeine - They are very similar in fact.....

                                                                                                    It's the other chemicals in cigarettes that cause the harm...

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