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2MuchMark 11-05-2014 03:55 PM

Passive Vaping is Harmful according to this:

http://www.webmd.boots.com/news/2014...vaping-harmful

seeric 11-05-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20279273)
a bar is a place to relax and not care about these rules: how much you drink, or if you smoke cigarettes or not. Before the ban there wasn't 1 person in a bar or club who would complain when you smoked - live and let live, who gives a fuck, nobody thought twice about it. And i've probably been a thousand times in bars and clubs. Now with the smoke ban everyone suddenly complains if you do. Everyone has turned into whiners.

Complete bullshit.

SilentKnight 11-05-2014 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 20278403)
lol, the ignorance of believing your only exhaling "water vapor" is funny to me.

That's okay. Your one-line baseless assertion is equally funny to me.

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Originally Posted by atom (Post 20278455)
I fucking hate smelling that shit when I am out, especially at a restaurant.

I hate the smell of your deodorant/cologne/perfume.

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Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 20278656)
There's still shit in that vapor in the air. If you have 20-30 people all vaping in a room, you're inhaling shit.

I didn't know that. I'd really like to read more - especially a clarification of "shit". Can you link me to the source material your conclusion was based on? Seriously.

Jel 11-05-2014 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20279361)
Passive Vaping is Harmful according to this:

http://www.webmd.boots.com/news/2014...vaping-harmful

where's the part about it being harmful, I'm not finding it

Jel 11-05-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 20279218)
Thankfully, most of that shit is banned in California establishments. I don't want to smell some ecigs and vapes burning. It's a common courtesy issue. Why should someone else have the right to put something into my body that I am not choosing to put there? The answer is, they shouldn't, and the states are making laws to ensure it, since common courtesy is lost to a sense of entitlement. Public places will always need to be regulated because you have inconsiderate people who don't care about another person's health.

do you own a car/motorcycle?

SilentKnight 11-05-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20279404)
where's the part about it being harmful, I'm not finding it

I looked and couldn't find, either.

But then realized it's an article on a drugstore webpage. :helpme

JFK 11-05-2014 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20279292)
No they don't fined or penalized if you use illegal drugs on your own. It when they are knowing supportive of it that it is an issue.

If you are knowingly allowing it, you are responsible. You have to keep an eye out and be in total control of the establishment:2 cents:

2MuchMark 11-05-2014 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20279404)
where's the part about it being harmful, I'm not finding it

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It is recommending:

Minimising potential health risks to e-cigarette users and non-users, including an indoor ban
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The World Health Organisation says e-cigarette aerosol is not just water vapour', as it says is sometimes claimed.
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their use "poses threats to adolescents and foetuses of pregnant mothers using these devices."
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E-cigarettes, it says, also "increase the exposure of non-smokers and bystanders to nicotine and a number of toxicants".
etc.

peace.

EddyTheDog 11-06-2014 12:18 AM

The other thing of course is that it would be nice to support people that are trying to give up smoking - Show them some love...

EddyTheDog 11-06-2014 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20279650)
etc.

peace.

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E-cigarettes, it says, also "increase the exposure of non-smokers and bystanders to nicotine and a number of toxicants".
What other toxicants?..

Also nicotine is no worse than caffeine - They are very similar in fact.....

It's the other chemicals in cigarettes that cause the harm...

EddyTheDog 11-06-2014 12:36 AM

50 Vape Police...

Manfap 11-06-2014 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight (Post 20279399)
I didn't know that. I'd really like to read more - especially a clarification of "shit". Can you link me to the source material your conclusion was based on? Seriously.

University of Southern California good enough for you?
https://news.usc.edu/67718/e-cigaret...-toxic-metals/


how about the FDA?
"the FDA found some samples contain carcinogens and other toxic chemicals. Using e-cigarettes can be like trading one deadly behavior for another."
taken from http://www.cancer.org/myacs/eastern/...ig-health-vote

Or the flavoured oils, maybe the butterscotch one, that got taken off the market cause it could cause popcorn lung.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasperha...g-up-in-smoke/

But hey vape away.. please. blow it on your kids/grandkids other peoples kids.

it's packed full of vitamins and good for you!

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20279666)
The other thing of course is that it would be nice to support people that are trying to give up smoking - Show them some love...

You're just weak willed.

I've smoked for 25+ years, every couple of years I stop for a month, just to prove I can.

Jel 11-06-2014 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20279650)
etc.

peace.

your reading comprehension is awful :2 cents:

SilentKnight 11-06-2014 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 20279695)
University of Southern California good enough for you?
https://news.usc.edu/67718/e-cigaret...-toxic-metals/


how about the FDA?
"the FDA found some samples contain carcinogens and other toxic chemicals. Using e-cigarettes can be like trading one deadly behavior for another."
taken from http://www.cancer.org/myacs/eastern/...ig-health-vote

http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.ca/...-no-cause.html

http://www.projectvape.com/what-is-v...nd-hand-vapor/

And the "carcinogens and other toxic chemicals" you mention in the FDA report - was a well-known, documented singular incident of an admittedly contaminated source sample - not reflective of typical nicotine e-juice.

At present, the $300+ million FDA study is still underway with no definitive or official conclusion either way.

E-juice is made up of only 5 natural ingredients:

water
vegetable glycerin (usually coconut or palm oil based - all-natural - completely non-toxic)
propylene glycol (a commonly used food additive and various medicines - like asthma inhalers)
natural or artificial flavouring
nicotine

If you can find carcinogens in the above ingredients - you best be banning a helluva lot more things in this world along with the e-cigs.

That said, don't get me wrong - I'm not adverse to reading/listening to everything I can about the pros/cons of vaping - but I do tend to filter out a lot of pseudo-factual sources that have flawed data and/or an obvious skewed agenda.

shoot twice 11-07-2014 01:24 AM

To be honest and blunt... I applaud the move to ban this from public places like any other cigarette or tobacco product.

There's a time and a place for everything and if someone wants to put chemicals into their body then go right ahead. But they don't need to be doing it in public toxifying and stinking up the air we all breath. And considering that most smokers took up the filthy habit because they witnessed adults doing it, then "vap" addicts shouldn't be doing it in front of impressionable young children.

Just like booze or porn.. Smoking and/or vaping should be confined to the privacy of someone's own home.

PS. I'm aware that cars and factories pollute which is why we lobby the government for tougher clean air laws.

GregE 11-07-2014 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20278594)
man you gotta fucking reach deep inside your 'this is my offended cupboard' to get upset about the 'smell' of e-cigs.

My mum has asthma blahblah and can smell a cig at 2 miles, coughs her guts up if cigarette smoke is anywhere near her, and if she can be perfectly fine around ecig vapour, that tells me all I need to know about how 'bad' the smell of it is.

The smell of everyday traffic is worse, but I'd put my house on less than 0.001% of people who say ecig vapour affects them so much that they feel affected by it having the same viewpoint on 'forcing' everyone to smell their exhaust fumes.

Bingo!

Clean air fanatics remind me of those pesky born again types.


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