it amazes me when people argue about closing the border

[Grapesoda]

not sure you could find this story in the American press


a few highlights of the story

Although there has been a small decline in murder figures, little has changed in areas affected by violence, and kidnappings are on the rise. According to Mexico’s national statistics institute (INEGI), there were 105,682 kidnappings last year but only 1,317 were reported to police.

The missing students were returning home from Iguala city last month when their bus was attacked by police, resulting in six deaths.

Meanwhile Mexico’s attorney general confirmed last week that on June 30th last year army troops shot dead 15 civilians in cold blood before tampering with the crime scene to make it look like the victims died in crossfire.

The twin massacres cap a decade of infamy in which children have perished inside creches, journalists have been decapitated and migrants forced to dig their own graves. An estimated 100,000 people have died, while 25,000 remain unaccounted for as the level of collusion between police, army, politicians and drug traffickers has reached epidemic proportions.

The Salinas era saw the unprecedented expansion of the drug trade in parallel with the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement, cementing drugs and business as Mexico’s chief power blocs.

The trail of destruction wrought by drug violence is intimately connected to a political system which worships finance and turns a blind eye to corruption and money-laundering.

[artwilliams]

Exactly how do you close a 3,145 km (1,954 mi) border?

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

Exactly how do you close a 3,145 km (1,954 mi) border?

Alligator moat.

[Rochard]

Just seems like common sense to me.... Secure the border. You would have thought this was automatic all this time.

How do you secure a two thousand mild border? Build a fucking wall. Build the great wall of Southern United States. Make it into a fortress and staff it with our military.

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

Exactly how do you close a 3,145 km (1,954 mi) border?

Use the military to secure the border. If there are any leftover, THEN spread democracy down the throats of those who don't want it.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Maybe, the wall might keep the "Gringos" out?

The Salinas era saw the unprecedented expansion of the drug trade in parallel with the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement, cementing drugs and business as Mexico?s chief power blocs.

The trail of destruction wrought by drug violence is intimately connected to a political system which worships finance and turns a blind eye to corruption and money-laundering.

Mexico isn't as poor of a country as it is a mismanaged country.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Just seems like common sense to me.... Secure the border. You would have thought this was automatic all this time.

How do you secure a two thousand mild border? Build a fucking wall. Build the great wall of Southern United States. Make it into a fortress and staff it with our military.

electronic wall with mobile reaction troops do the job

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Maybe, the wall might keep the "Gringos" out?



Mexico isn't as poor of a country as it is a mismanaged country.

Mismanaged is not even strong enough of a word.

[L-Pink]

The "white" Spanish running Mexico are dumping native Mexicans on us rather than provide for them. Unpopular truth.

[pimpmaster9000]

the US gov is too full of its own shit to admit that even in US supermax prisons the #1 merchandise is drugs...the US gov is absolutely powerless against drugs...americans fucking love drugs...vaporizing mexico with nukes aint gonna change that ...but its the evil evil mexicans fault who can't control their stupid drug distribution problem

and how amusing is the "if we secured the boarder, our drug addicts will quit taking drugs and problem solved" crowd? its like building a wall to protect against the flu

who has the biggest drug market in the world? easy: the biggest addicts in the world

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How do you secure a two thousand mild border? Build a fucking wall. Build the great wall of Southern United States. Make it into a fortress and staff it with our military.

you so funny

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Just seems like common sense to me.... Secure the border. You would have thought this was automatic all this time.

How do you secure a two thousand mild border? Build a fucking wall. Build the great wall of Southern United States. Make it into a fortress and staff it with our military.

I always knew you had it in you.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the US gov is too full of its own shit to admit that even in US supermax prisons the #1 merchandise is drugs...the US gov is absolutely powerless against drugs...americans fucking love drugs...vaporizing mexico with nukes aint gonna change that ...but its the evil evil mexicans fault who can't control their stupid drug distribution problem

and how amusing is the "if we secured the boarder, our drug addicts will quit taking drugs and problem solved" crowd? its like building a wall to protect against the flu

who has the biggest drug market in the world? easy: the biggest addicts in the world

Your looking at this wrong.

The US Government could certainly put a massive crush on the drug issues if they chose but they DONT!

Think about it from a $$ point.

Cartel Owner makes how many millions a year?
How many millions a year does he spend?
20 security guards for him and family
Another 100 for his homes and ranches
Maids
Car care people
Grounds maintenance people.

How much does he spend on taxes and shit he does not need?

How may people work for him selling, Making and Distributing,

These cartels are MASSIVE businesses with more movement than Amazon

Put them out you put HUGE numbers of people out of work and Im not talking just about the direct related people to the drugs but the car sales man, the boat sales man, all the people that keep the extras running at legit businesses.

[PAR]

Does anyone know when Guatemala and Belize will be building their walls to stop illegal immigration from Mexico...
Oh wait it's not really an issue, as there are no jobs if they go south...
The issue is people from Guatemala and Belize crossing into Mexico to get to the US.
You could spend $$$$ building walls and staffing them etc...

Or why not just enforce laws that punish people that employ illegal workers, people aren't risking it all because they like the fun adventure of being undocumented...
They are doing so for work, any work they can find, Or maybe you think working in a field is a fun job filled with laughs and fresh-air.

Travel to say Panama, try staying there for a year and not keep copies of your papers on you... Not going to happen, you will be stopped at a random check point and asked to show your ID at some point. Nobody jumps up and down saying it's profiling etc...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by PAR

Does anyone know when Guatemala and Belize will be building their walls to stop illegal immigration from Mexico...
Oh wait it's not really an issue, as there are no jobs if they go south...
The issue is people from Guatemala and Belize crossing into Mexico to get to the US.
You could spend $$$$ building walls and staffing them etc...

Or why not just enforce laws that punish people that employ illegal workers, people aren't risking it all because they like the fun adventure of being undocumented...
They are doing so for work, any work they can find, Or maybe you think working in a field is a fun job filled with laughs and fresh-air.

Travel to say Panama, try staying there for a year and not keep copies of your papers on you... Not going to happen, you will be stopped at a random check point and asked to show your ID at some point. Nobody jumps up and down saying it's profiling etc...

the issue for central americans is to survive the mexico segment of the trip

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

electronic wall with mobile reaction troops do the job

Yep. I don't think it would be difficult at all. Put a small military base every forty or fifty miles, put a big fucking wall - think like the Great Wall in China - and man it every 100 feet.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

I always knew you had it in you.

Americans are free to leave. We aren't trying to keep people in, but trying to keep people out. If you feel the United States is unable to give you what you need.... Not a problem, there are people lined up to take your place.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We aren't trying to keep people in, but trying to keep people out.

That's what the Eastern German government said when they built the wall

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Just seems like common sense to me.... Secure the border. You would have thought this was automatic all this time.

How do you secure a two thousand mild border? Build a fucking wall. Build the great wall of Southern United States. Make it into a fortress and staff it with our military.

You are so pro-police state, i almost think you are trolling.

[stickyfingerz]

End the welfare state, open the borders. There are thousands of miles of open border not monitored, there are thousands of miles of shoreline not watched.

The same people that cheer on Reagan's quote "Tear down this wall" want to seal up our own country with a wall.. derp.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We aren't trying to keep people in, but trying to keep people out.

Incorrect.

The goal of such a wall would really be to force everyone who wants into the US to go through proper channels and checkpoints. You know, like they already do and have been doing for decades at airports, seaports, and existing border crossings. It's not about keeping people out at all. It's about a reduction in the illegal immigrant problem, something every country has a right to.


I have to say that I hate the notion of a wall though. Far too many parallels to Belin. Germany never had a 'gator moat' though, which has a certain appeal. Get them from the Everglades and you'd solve two problems in one shot.

I kid. Or do I? :D

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

End the welfare state, open the borders. There are thousands of miles of open border not monitored, there are thousands of miles of shoreline not watched.

The same people that cheer on Reagan's quote "Tear down this wall" want to seal up our own country with a wall.. derp.

Isn't it funny watching all of these xenophobes go back and forth with their brilliant ideas? We should just give them Montana and build a wall around them. Then they can all carry guns and live like it's the wild west, have public hangings, no taxes, no abortion, no gays...and best of all NO MEXICANS.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Americans are free to leave. We aren't trying to keep people in, but trying to keep people out. If you feel the United States is unable to give you what you need.... Not a problem, there are people lined up to take your place.

So if you don't get a wall then America is unable giving you what YOU need. Not a problem, there are people lined up to take your place.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

End the welfare state, open the borders. There are thousands of miles of open border not monitored, there are thousands of miles of shoreline not watched.

The same people that cheer on Reagan's quote "Tear down this wall" want to seal up our own country with a wall.. derp.

end the welfare state: open the border to an uneducated, under skilled population....make complete sense to me

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Isn't it funny watching all of these xenophobes go back and forth with their brilliant ideas? We should just give them Montana and build a wall around them. Then they can all carry guns and live like it's the wild west, have public hangings, no taxes, no abortion, no gays...and best of all NO MEXICANS.

you're not very smart are you?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yep. I don't think it would be difficult at all. Put a small military base every forty or fifty miles, put a big fucking wall - think like the Great Wall in China - and man it every 100 feet.

fyi, the Great Wall of China did NOT work at keeping people out.

[_Richard_]

great wall of china was never meant to keep people out

[L-Pink]

Have a regular force that patrols the border, supplemented by each of the states sending their National Guard troops for one week a year. Paying and training them anyway.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

great wall of china was never meant to keep people out

ok, i'll bite.. what was the massive wall used for then?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

That's what the Eastern German government said when they built the wall

East Germany had people who wanted to leave, and were leaving in large numbers. Even after they built the wall they still continued to leave.

With the US it's the direct opposite. Anyone who wants to leave is welcome to leave. But in the mean time we are being flooded with illegal aliens. We will welcome new people, but they need to do so legally.

Originally Posted by nico-t

You are so pro-police state, i almost think you are trolling.

I might just be. (pro police state, not tolling)

I don't live in fear of "loosing my rights". I could care less what the government knows about me; Google knows much more and can do much damage. I am not afraid of the local cops busting down my door because I know I've done nothing wrong. I want my local police force to be strong; I want them to sweep crime from the streets I live on.

As for our borders... We always just assumed they were secure. They never were. During WWII the Germans landed spies directly onto beaches, and Japan bombed the US and we didn't even notice they were here. I want my fucking borders secured. Stop the drugs, stop the flow of illegals. If you want to come here and live here, great - do it legally like the rest of us did.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Isn't it funny watching all of these xenophobes go back and forth with their brilliant ideas? We should just give them Montana and build a wall around them. Then they can all carry guns and live like it's the wild west, have public hangings, no taxes, no abortion, no gays...and best of all NO MEXICANS.

I like this idea

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Incorrect.

The goal of such a wall would really be to force everyone who wants into the US to go through proper channels and checkpoints. You know, like they already do and have been doing for decades at airports, seaports, and existing border crossings. It's not about keeping people out at all. It's about a reduction in the illegal immigrant problem, something every country has a right to.


I have to say that I hate the notion of a wall though. Far too many parallels to Belin. Germany never had a 'gator moat' though, which has a certain appeal. Get them from the Everglades and you'd solve two problems in one shot.

I kid. Or do I? :D

The vast majority of us go through proper channels and checkpoints. I have a passport; The US knows every time I leave the country and when I return. Putting a wall up will not change this because the vast majority of us will still have to go through the same legal crossings.

As for the parallels to the Berlin Wall... I don't see it at all. It's the direct opposite. People were willing to risk their lives to leave East Germany because they wanted to leave. At the same time people are willing to risk their lives to come to the US. The Berlin Wall was a sign of failure; Our wall is a sign of our success.

Europe is going to start seeing the same problems in the near future. Come see me in forty years when they no longer speak French in France.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

great wall of china was never meant to keep people out

tell that to the mongrels.

[dyna mo]

doh!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I might just be. (pro police state, not tolling)

I don't live in fear of "loosing my rights". I could care less what the government knows about me; Google knows much more and can do much damage. I am not afraid of the local cops busting down my door because I know I've done nothing wrong. I want my local police force to be strong; I want them to sweep crime from the streets I live on.

you living your dream in your desired future:

[Focus]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Your looking at this wrong.

The US Government could certainly put a massive crush on the drug issues if they chose but they DONT!

Think about it from a $$ point.

Cartel Owner makes how many millions a year?
How many millions a year does he spend?
20 security guards for him and family
Another 100 for his homes and ranches
Maids
Car care people
Grounds maintenance people.

How much does he spend on taxes and shit he does not need?

How may people work for him selling, Making and Distributing,

These cartels are MASSIVE businesses with more movement than Amazon

Put them out you put HUGE numbers of people out of work and Im not talking just about the direct related people to the drugs but the car sales man, the boat sales man, all the people that keep the extras running at legit businesses.

Exactly If money wasnt coming in the border would had been blocked LONG ago, nothing happen for no reason.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

tell that to the mongrels.

I wonder why they built it then.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by baddog

I wonder why they built it then.

It's my understanding its original intent was to keep invading hoards out, it slowed them down but the mongols (play on words, mongrels! yuk yuk) among others, were merely slowed for a bit as they then proceed to lay waste to China time and again.

I'm recollecting though, ,........

[PAR]

I guess the great wall of China if not built to keep people out was then built with the foresight of tourists in mind..?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

tell that to the mongrels.

i am sure they knew once they were over the wall, laden with loot, and about to have an extremely difficult time getting back..

raiding was inevitable.. the wall was built in order to trap raiders in

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PAR

I guess the great wall of China if not built to keep people out was then built with the foresight of tourists in mind..?

duh!

[Vendzilla]

Why is there any debate about this

Last week, a guy that was deported back to Mexico for dealing drugs TWICE killed two deputies in Auburn California.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1566388/ill...rnia-deputies/

This up in Rochards area, the US government is suppose to protect us from shit bags like this guy. So yeah, fly drones overhead and shoot at anything that moves!!!

[TheSquealer]

A new audit has discovered over 1,400 registered voters on North Carolina’s voting rolls are likely not citizens of the United States.

The North Carolina State Board of Elections revealed Friday that it looked at data from the N.C. Division of Motor Vehicles and Department of Homeland Security and found that 1,425 are likely non-citizens and therefore ineligible to vote.
“We are working to ensure that no ballot cast by a non-citizen will count in this or any future election,” State Board of Elections Executive Director Kim Westbrook Strach said in a statement. “Our ongoing partnership with DMV strengthens the integrity of our elections process and security of the voter rolls.”

Of those non-citizens on the voting rolls, the State Board of Elections confirmed that 109 illegal immigrants who have been shielded from deportation and allowed to obtain work permits and drivers licenses through President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, are included in the voting rolls. They are also ineligible to vote.
The revelation comes with the midterm elections less than two weeks away, including a squeaker U.S. Senate race between incumbent Sen. Kay Hagan (NC-D) and state House Speaker Thom Tillis, a Republican.

A new study highlighted last week speculated that illegal, non-citizen votes have swayed past elections for Democrats.
The State Board of Elections said that it would be providing election officials protocol to challenge ballots from individuals identified as non-citizens, including offering the would-be voter the opportunity to prove his or her citizenship.

There are more than 6.6 million registered voters in North Carolina. Most of the non-citizen registered voters were found in Guilford (115), Mecklenburg (313), and Wake (252) counties.

[Itchy]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

great wall of china was never meant to keep people out

The Great Wall of China is a series of fortifications made of stone, brick, tamped earth, wood, and other materials, generally built along an east-to-west line across the historical northern borders of China in part to protect the Chinese Empire or its prototypical states against intrusions by various nomadic groups or military incursions by various warlike peoples or forces. Several walls were being built as early as the 7th century BC;[3] these, later joined together and made bigger and stronger, are now collectively referred to as the Great Wall.[4] Especially famous is the wall built between 220?206 BC by the first Emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang. Little of that wall remains. Since then, the Great Wall has on and off been rebuilt, maintained, and enhanced; the majority of the existing wall is from the Ming Dynasty.

Other purposes of the Great Wall have included border controls, allowing the imposition of duties on goods transported along the Silk Road, regulation or encouragement of trade and the control of immigration and emigration. Furthermore, the defensive characteristics of the Great Wall were enhanced by the construction of watch towers, troop barracks, garrison stations, signaling capabilities through the means of smoke or fire, and the fact that the path of the Great Wall also served as a transportation corridor.

[TheSquealer]

Fourteen percent of non-citizens reported that they were registered to vote, and a not-insubstantial chunk of that subset admitted to actually casting ballots. The authors run through some not-so-hypothetical consequences:

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

[Tom_PM]

All citizens should have a chip implanted and you should know that these will be actively scanned at all times. You will not need to present papers; it's all in your head. You will not need to present ID's; it's all in your head. You don't have to worry about illegals ruining YOUR country; it's all in your head.

yw

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

All citizens should have a chip implanted and you should know that these will be actively scanned at all times. You will not need to present papers; it's all in your head. You will not need to present ID's; it's all in your head. You don't have to worry about illegals ruining YOUR country; it's all in your head.

yw

rochard pre-ordered one of those.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

ok, i'll bite.. what was the massive wall used for then?

some kind of spirit invasion and people

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by nico-t

you living your dream in your desired future:

yes except it's liberals that will bring that on if it happens....that's the crowd that wants MORE gov regulation

[MK Ultra]

Your thread title is incorrect, it should read:

"it amazes me when people argue against closing the border"