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Discuss what's fucking going on, and which programs are best and worst. One-time "program" announcements from "established" webmasters are allowed. |
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revshare,free trials,active member,Porn4abuck, paid 3day trial
So your saying that its best to get shit money quick, than waiting a couple of months and getting better money.. doesnt make sense to me.
ok lets break this down the right way Its to difficult to explain but here's are 5 ways most programs work. 1) Its this simple You have a site that charges $1 for a full month trial and you get paid $25 2) then you have a site that offers a 3 day trial for 2.95 and pays you $40. 3) then you have a Site that offers you a 3day trial for 4.95 but you get paid on a rev share deal. which means little up front then certain % will go active 4) then there's a site that offers a free trial 30 min or one day that pays you $25 5) then there's a site that offers a 3day trial for 2.95 and you get paid $55 on an active join. this is the worst program for the webmaster but best for the Sponsor because he doesn't risk anything which one are you gonna Pick? and if you'd like add some more examples
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I pick 1, 2 and 6 (then you have a Site that offers you a 3day trial for 4.95 but you get paid on a rev share deal AND recurs 29.95 or 34.95 which means little up front then certain % will go active)
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I guess no one gets it.
Which program do you think would make you the most and why.
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The programs are interesting but at the end of the day the sites determine how much money you make.
Thats why people who swore they only push $35+ a join started promoting bangbus, because the site sold itself for a while. |
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exactly what I thought people complain and they don't even understand why they might not be doing well with a program.
and this is just 5 examples there are alot more. is there a place that breaks all this down for a webmaster
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Never 5.
Use 1, 2 and 4 for sites that probably wont retain and use 3 for sites with exclusive or quality members areas. |
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just an overview the way the site is marketed with there trial, the look of the site, proccessing and how the program pays out are all factors that make up a good program. then there are a ton of variables
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For the past year, one of the sites I've been promoting costs $24.95 a month. No trial.
The revshare deal is 60/40 The average member stays for 3 months I make an average of $44 a sale (the owner pays the processing fees) The site converts consistently at 1:160 No, it isn't any of the sites in my sig. That is the site I choose.
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I would like to hear from the processors whats the average a member sticks around 1, 2, 3 , 4 months
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I would go with #1, and RevShare..you can never go wrong with rebills..
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I have a pretty interesting judgement train of thought for this:
1) I won't consider a sponsor for revenue sharing / active unless they have exclusive content. 2) The number of upsells and cross-sells needs to be reasonable. If it appears the sponsor is trying to squeeze the customers for every penny possible, again, revshare/active isn't very attractive. Most sites and sponsors at this point have been dropped off by here for possibility of revshare or active. This now leaves paid joins and free joins 3) My surfers know that the porn they see is not free, so I can push paid joins for the premium payouts and on exits I push free joins or your porn4abuck type deals. 4) Lastly, offering alternate billing methods like dialers or free email joins on secondary exits. This is a very specific formula for my SE traffic, of course it varies greatly depending on your traffic. I've tried my traffic on every chargeable model and this is what works for me. TGP's are a completely different story, I just thought I'd share my ![]() WG
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Great ratio, 50/50 split, sponsor pays fees, rebills pretty well. |
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Kinda like a salesman start high then tries to work a deal I would use the same formula for your traffic ![]()
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Are your sites run with love? or do you just package together a bunch of content and buy a domain called megaxxxporno.com and try to convince people to join? Promote unique sites that are run with love and have exclusive content and you can't go wrong.
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so i don't believe 1/180 on a full paid membership. I'm a surfer I get offered a membership for a $1 for Free or 29.95 what are you gonna choose? then again there are exceptions to every rule.
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Big name sponsors have sites that are just a bunch of content packaged under a domain name. They are not run with love. This is all fine, because big name sponsors operate on volume more than they do on profits margins. Low margins, but high volume (just like McDonald's). That is their business model, and it works. Big name sponsors are like McDonald's and the individual site owners that run their sites for the love of the niche are like mom's home cooking.
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An example would be like Heather's site from IDeepThroat or Wife's World. WG
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I've always promoted $35 per sign up programs but after 4 months of promoting a 50/50 revshare program now I'm finally starting to see how all these other webmasters make good money from rebills.
Wish I had done revshare when I started out and not wasted all this time promoting $35 per sale programs, but better late than never. |
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I thought he just walked in the store first time?
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Rev share all the way. I have extensively tested all varieties for the past 2 1/2 years. At the end of the day, the rev share always paid out more.
And as an added bonus, most rev shares tend to be a cleaner, much more ethical variety of paysite. None of this dishonest 3 day trials that have to be cancelled after 2 days...no sneaky cross-bills..no FREE sites that include an add-on $39.95 mega-site ...basically none of the type of operators that I refer to as the "scum" of the adult business world. |
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I look for: - exclusive content -priced at or around $24.95/month -updates at least once a week, preferrably more often
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I think too many people have tried to push revsharing using those stupid graphs that try to tell you that the first month you'll make $1000, the second $2000, the third $4000, the fourth $8000, and so on. After a period of time the majority of subscribers level off at a certain 2-4 month retention rate (varies by site), with a sizable number canceling quick and a few staying on for a long time.
After a while, the people who stay on for 4+ months start to add up, and at 60% you're making roughly the $35 you'd make per singup after maybe 2 rebills. In the long run, if you plan to stay with the sponsor, and don't anticipate them fucking you over, revshare is the way to go IMO. |
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One program that I continue to make really good coin from is ProAdult . Their Quantum program has amazing longevity with rebills. I have many customers who rebill for 7 or 8 months. And it meets my other criteria...no shady tricks played on the customers. |
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Guess what Most people in this world think your Scum because your in porn. that surfer you care so much about could care less about you because he thinks the same way about you, a scummy porn peddler.
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There are different degrees of "scum"...I don't mind being a porn peddler...I do mind being a scamming thief. There is a difference. |
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![]() been doing this for 7 years we got the formula down. we always focused on paysites to make sure we convert everything we can and we are always tweaking our sites so you don't have to worry about your conversions. but anyways lets get back to all the styles of programs out there for paysites. then we can go over all the other programs like freeezinebucks,join4free, download plus and dialers etc.
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I would love to see a sponsor say they average 3-8 months with there members. Please post because if you do I will send you a shit load of traffic I have never heard of someone who does that well and like I said all us sponsors talk its a small industry
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My point is, just because we are "porn peddlars", why does this justify anything other then respect and honesty towards our customers.
The way I see it, this is a business the same as any other HONEST business. If you can't make a fair rate of return with honest business dealings...that doesn't justify even one iota of manipulating the customer. And what really slays me is that making comments like I have above, in this industry, will earn me disdain from other webmasters. Thank god the rest of the world doesn't see it your way..I can just see it know...Architechual BBS's applauding a member because he was able to make maximum return by leaving out key and expensive support beams. Your $1 program is based on confusing the surfer with enough offers through cross-bills - some which need things like 24 hour prior to trial end cancellations and so on. And how do I know this. Remember, I challenged you on this very board about a year ago after I joined your sites, prior to promoting them...only to be stung by one of the 24 hour cancellation clauses. |
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They don't allow ANY advertising on their Quantum sites...So, I don't even have to worry about promoting sites at arms length whose ethics I do not agree with. And like I said above. I joined your program to test it. And I'm a webmaster, so I know what to look for. And yet, even I felt I had been ripped off. So, is it any surprise that extensive rebills might seem like only a fairytale to you. |
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its all there on the site how can they get confused. I guess if there that dumb they would join a site for full price with the so called (exclusive content) I wish I had time to explain how things work to you. I bet you never bought something on sale or half price etc. you always pay full retail. why do you think all the stores have 50% off to get you to walk in and hopefully sale you on something else. when a dealership puts a car in the paper and it sounds cheap thats just to get you in the door. get with the program
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how much do they charge a month ? and arn't AVS's full of fake sites with a small gallery as a memebrs section to get them to upsell to a sponsor or a real site? Ok i'm out going to Sky bar and the standard be back later if Christina doesn't come over ![]()
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Everything depends on your site, your traffic and your niche. It also depends on the sponsor. Run with love and good exclusive content like mentioned before can dramatically increase conversions on any level.
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If your clothing example was truly an example, then a store would discretly SNEAK another piece of clothing in your bag and then hide a credit card scanner at the exit to charge you as you exit the store. And the car for the cheaper price is always available. You have to verbally agree to an upsell. Sorry, no comparison... |
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