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http://rt.com/news/199548-australia-...ent-kkk-burqa/

A trio of activists wearing a KKK outfit, a burqa and a motorcycle helmet attempted to enter Australia?s parliament house in Canberra, challenging the idea of allowing women wearing face veils in public places.

When the three approached the security, the men wearing a helmet and a Ku Klux Klan hood were immediately asked to remove their headwear, but there was a moment of hesitation concerning the Muslim veil.

"One of the requirements of coming into parliament house is that the motorcycle helmet is going to have to come off, your headdress is going to have to come off and your burqa... your identity will be checked," the security guard told the group, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

The man in a KKK hood took it off only to reveal he had a burqa underneath.

"Bit of a loophole, eh?" he asked.

Continued http://rt.com/news/199548-australia-...ent-kkk-burqa/

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shoot twice

Don't they have anything better to do?

Maybe we should start to worry more about what's IN someone's head as opposed to what's ON someone's head.

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420

Then you'd have the same problem. What if they have something under that kkk hood in their head? You know, purposely misleading you to make a point.

L-Pink

I think what's on their head pretty much tells you what's in their head.

pornguy

Odd sounds like racial profiling. Even though this has nothing to do with Race.

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DamageX

So basically people have equal constitutional rights, but some rights are more equal than others?

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shoot twice

If someone is wearing a KKK hood it's pretty much guaranteed that what's on their mind isn't the Tele-Tubbies.

The Klan isn't a religion and when they do talk about Jesus the last I checked they keep their copy of the Bible next to a copy of Mien Kempf just in case they need help interpreting scriptures.

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aka123

Looks like burqa to me. KKK folks and muslim women seems to have the same dressing code.

DamageX

So it's not OK to wear the symbols of a racist movement that USED TO lynch blacks, but it's OK to wear the symbols of a religion, some of whose followers behead people TODAY?

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arock10

You can't be serious

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Antonio

yeah? what am I thinking right now?

PR_Glen

i'm pretty sure there are no constitutional rights protecting your fashion rights in any country..

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MrTrollkien

I find all of these outfits, including the burqa, "extremely confronting," "hurtful" and "distressing."

DamageX

Why not? Both are symbols of intolerance and both promote discrimination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

"Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas using one's body and property to anyone who is willing to receive them. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used."

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Some friendly advice,
You're really stretching things in your argument and if you reach any further you'll be able to get your own hand up your butt.

But to respond to your commentary,

The Catholic church conducted crusades
The Jews have slaughtered thousands in Palestinians
George Bush had God's personal cell phone number.
Genhis Khan is said by many historians to have slaughtered blonde roman women because he feared they were witches.

We're a violent species that has no problems finding absolutely stupid reasons to rape, murder and destroy. Literally anything goes as an excuse to justify being a monster.

At least in the case of any religion (including Islam) people are talking about things like charity, compassion, forgiveness, love, etc..etc... But in the case of the Klu Klux Klan all they discuss is hate, segregation and might makes right.

Tell you what,
I'll support the Klu Klux Klan when they do something to clothe the poor, educate the ignorant or feed the hungry regardless of race. Until then they're just hate group that's abusing the right to freedom of speech for their own selfish ends.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux..._recruitm ent

"To off-set violent acts, the KKK participated in charitable activities. In 1922, the Klan “contributed $25 each to the Volunteers of America and to the African Methodist Episcopal Church, an offer which Webster said proved that the Klan was not anti-black”.[3] The charitable activities demonstrated that the KKK was committed to the welfare of the nation and also “served as an effective public relations device by creating a more favor- able opinion of the secret order and attracting new members”.:[3])"

Google "ku klux klan charity" and you'll find tons of other info on this.

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For the record, I am not a racist and I'm about as tolerant/intolerant as the next guy. I'm just of the opinion that if we allow one symbol of intolerance, then we should allow them all.

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I don't use google but I did look it up just the same. All I can say is that Jean Marie Lepen of France's extreme right political party once created a soup kitchen for the poor and handed out pork soup in muslim neighborhoods. Like the Klan and other Neonazi hate groups it's a political agenda and their sole reason for existance is to push a race based dichatomy of superiority and segreggation

Look there's a 1.5 billion muslims. Which means they've got just as many wackos, nut jobs and as any other section of society. But if you spend any time just living your liife to the fullest and being nice to everyone you meet then you find out that we're all more or less the same. We all just want to be loved and allowed to live in peace. (Including muslims)

Stop listening to the nut jobs and get to know as many people as you can on a personal and intimate level. Life is so very short and fear and hate are such a waste of time. So surround yourself with good people and stop wasting time with assholes.

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DamageX

Islam is discriminatory at its very core. Women do not enjoy the same rights as men, and they're actually trying to increase the number of followers. According to Islam, you can't even convert to a different religion or become an atheist, as that is punishable by death. And, as we've seen in recent times, they actually enforce Sharia law in many Islamic regions. Hell, in Saudi Arabia one football player got a fine or was convicted to jail time (don't quite remember exactly) because of having a tattoo of a cross. If they don't allow others' symbols, why should theirs be allowed?

I'm not saying other extreme movements are better by any means, they're despicable, or that there aren't ulterior motives behind their charities. But again, if we allow one symbol of intolerance, we should allow them all.

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arock10

but then every religion would qualify as discriminatory...

as I said earlier, KKK is not on the same level as Islam. The vast majority of people in religions are not extremists. the KKK are/were extremists

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shoot twice

You're arguing woman's issues on a porn industry forum....

Am I the only person that sees the lunacy in this?

I mean it's bad enough that we're men discussing the problems women face in any society is bad enough. BUT to actually try and debate their social issues on a forum dedicated to the business of exploiting women not for their brains but only their tit's, ass and vaginas is just bad comedy.

I hope Gaill Dines isn't reading this.

Granted I shake my head at these people from time to time just like many other people do. But I try to remember that life is short and it's a waste of time to try and debate with racism, hate, etc. Because no matter what you say or how logical someone is... They'll never win an argument against hate and ignorance.

There's good and bad people everywhere in this world.

I'm friends with several muslims and they're decent people. The irony is I asked one of them once why they're women wear things like the hijab and burka... I was told it's because they want to protect them from men like me. ie: A pornographer. (Touché)

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DamageX

Debatable, but nevertheless... If religious clothing falls under freedom of religion then wearing a KKK outfit falls under freedom of speech. Both should be allowed or both should be banned.

So wait, just because we're on GFY our arguments about upholding democratic and constitutional rights equal double standards?

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mopek1

I believe so.

You had no problems arguing against the KKK and had lots to say about religion but for some reason women's issues, you think is 'lunacy' on a porn board. Makes no sense whatsoever.

shoot twice

Your argument is that it's a constitutional right and somehow "liberating" to a woman when we put an over-sized penis in her butt and film it for the whole world to see.

But it's unconstitutional and repression of women when they decide to wear something to keep men from being able to look at their asses.

Look the KKK and other Nazi movements are pure hate groups that only do something nice if they think it will help their cause. Their underlying dichotomy is about superiority of one race over another and their perceived "right" to segregate and subsequently dominate those "inferior races". It's might makes right politics and if you spent anytime getting to know the people in these groups you would quickly learn they also tend to believe that there's a "proper role" for a woman. A role that relegates them to being a baby making machine and a subservient whore to their husband.

Hate groups take the very worst of misogyny and slap a racial agenda on it. So to be blunt my opinion is we should take the exact same approach we do with a cockroach infestation against the KKK and other assorted Nazis groups. They can try and sugar coat it all they want but there's nothing redeeming in their agenda.



There's shit made in this industry that's just as bad (sometimes worse) than what the KKK spin. And they play the exact same game of hiding behind "freedom of speech" . You would be amazed at what some people are willing to pay to see and just who is willing to produce it.

I won't even start going on about the scumbags that go out of their way to book a girl for a scene when they hear she might have a drug addiction and believe she's desperate for the money.

Nevertheless I'm not a hypocrite.
I try to do things above board and I make sure that anyone I book is doing this because they want to. Plus I don't want to film anything that marginalizes or promotes the marginalization of another human being. (or animal)

Just the same I don't have a right to try and convince any woman to get naked anymore than I have the right to try and convince her to put them on and follow a religious moral. But in the case of racial hate groups... that effects all of us and the world we live in. I have every right to advocate the creation of harsh laws and prison terms against them. (Including the death penalty against racially motivated murder)

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mopek1

I won't argue against your opinion of the KKK nor about some of the scum in this industry. I share them actually.

What I am arguing is your statement about a poster bringing up women's issues on a porn forum when you brought up other (non porn) issues yourself.

I think that the example made with the headscarf, hat and helmet posted by the OP would have been better made with a head covering that didn't represent hate (say a full clown mask instead of the KKK hood).

I do think that headscarves are hateful though. Although many have a hard time saying it out loud for fear of being politically incorrect.

DamageX

Are you a moron, or do you just play one on GFY? Where did I say ANY of the above? Is anyone FORCING these chicks to take huge dicks up the ass? No, they're doing it for the money and they're free to quit whenever they want to. Porn industry or not, women have the same constitutional rights as men. However, read up on Sharia law. Women have pretty much half the value men have, in many legal circumstances.

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I won't argue against your opinion of the KKK nor about some of the scum in this industry. I share them actually.

Here's the thing,

I'm involved (less than more these days) on the production end of things so I interface directly with the women in this biz. But regardless of how you make your money in this industry we're all in the business of exploiting women. Now I've seen lots of girls doing the films that are highly intelligent and educated but at the end of it all the questions are
1) what will she do and
2) How much will it cost.

As such we are no better than any man that goes to work, pays the bills and at the end of the day expects any woman he marries to cook, clean and wear a burka. Make no bones about it, as with many men in this world we use economic incentive to make women do what we want.

So really when you see it that way then we don't have a right to say anything. Like it or not, the world is male dominated and despite there being lots of powerful women... More often then we care to believe, women get ahead by prostituting themselves in some way or another

If there was any kind of fairness in this world then we wouldn't have this situation. Unfortunately this is the way the world is and women have to deal with it. So about the only thing that from a fair and ethical point of view makes this barely tolerable is that a woman gets to "chose" to who and how she prostitutes herself.

So if woman wants to wear a burka in exchange for home and security then that's her right... Just as it's for a woman that works in porn. The problem occurs when a woman is forced to doing these things either under threat of violence or by financial circumstances. (Let's not kid each other here, a woman that sucks cock in order to keep a roof over her kids is also a vicitim.) And men that impose these circumstances or take advantage of these situations is a douchebag. (At least he is in my opinion)


Now if anyone is asking me if I believe that we have the right to condem a Muslim male that keeps a roof over his wife's head and puts food on her table but insists that she wears a burka? The answer is "NO".

Now on the other hand if he's beating her to make her wear a burka and using the religion as justification for his action then of course I condem that.

Without a doubt there's men in Islam that do beat their wives/women into submision. But they don't need Islam to do that because douchebag men will use whatever "tools" they're given to accomplish their objectives. And it's the same story all over the world regardless of religion or lackof.

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DamageX

So's a man saying "Welcome to Wal-Mart" or "Would you like fries with that?" What's your point?

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mopek1

Here's where you and I diverge. She does not have a choice.


The answer is yes.

shoot twice

You don't know that. You have no way of know this unless you know the woman personally.

See this is just another example of the pure bullshit that pushed by the media, the governments and idiots sites catering to the latest "Conservative Internet meme"

• The media pushes this shit because it gets viewers and loyal watcher
• The government pushes this shit because fear of the boogie man solidifies their power.
• The websites push this shit because it generates an obscene fuck load of traffic and content generation.

In short I watched a girl grow up in my neighborhood. One day I saw her wearing a hijab And a about 2 years ago she started wearing a Niqāb. Now to me her family looks like ordinary white people and not Arabs, Asians or Africans. And her mom and sister (at least I think it's her sister) don't appear to be Islamic. So I'm guessing college is to blame for her conversion.

But don't take my word for it and do your own research. Islam is a fast growing religion and it looks like more women come to it than men. The BBC has done several documentaries on the subject women wanting to be Muslim and I believe one was called "Make me a Muslim"

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mopek1

On a case by case basis of course nobody can know for sure but on the whole I can say that I do know this to be true.

They do NOT have a choice.

shoot twice

Well that's just plain bullshit because once again you don't know that. But this isn't the first time I've heard a this blanket statement regarding Muslim women so I'm curious where are you getting this "information" from?


According to a 2010 study done by the Pew Research Center in 2010 and released January 2011, there's 49 Muslim-majority countries and Islam has 1.57 billion adherents, making up over 23% of the world population. With those kind of numbers there's no way anyone can make a single blanket statement to cover all of them.

And if you think women are so wonderfully done by in any western "christian" nation then perhaps you stop and look at

• How during the depression in the 1930s single women were fired from their jobs so that men could be hired as part of a government work policies.
  
• Then look at the nightmare that many beaten housewives had trying to get a divorce in the 1950s
  
• Then see how doctors wouldn't give birth control pills or IUDs to any unmarried woman in the 1960s
  
• Finally in the 1970s how many single mother's wanted to work in order to provide for their children but were told they should go after their dead beat ex-husbands more, or go on Welfare or put their kids in a foster home if they couldn't stay at home to look after them.

I hate to be rude or appear condescending but your voicing opinions like a lost taxi driver does.

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DamageX

*Checking calendar*

Yep, it's 2014.

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At arabmistress we believe that we can change this misogynistic mentality by introducing some loving femdom examples that everyone can look up to. It will be a good change from the patriarchal examples that they see on TV and in their communities.
As for the KKK, they are as extinct as the dinosaurs.
They appear only on Halloween and don't really scare anyone


Liberate their subconscious through masturbation ;)

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well femdom (and any other kind of dom) isn't my cup of tea. But I'm totally with you on the break away from the patriarchal shit that's being cranked out today. I rather enjoy seeing more female centered productions.

I pretty much have to fund all my own projects these days so maybe I'll work on a pictorial essay or perhaps a coffee table book female oriented eroticism. Not only would I get to shot something I want but I'm sure to have less headaches because I won't have to deal with the jizz biz.

Hmmm I've already got an idea of doing something with a burka and a man in boxer shorts having a mirror.
The groups change their names but the dichotomy lives on and someone only needs to look at this thread for examples of possible would be adherents.

Sadly it's everyone's responsibility to be vigilant and make sure to treat the various assorted hate groups like cockroaches. By that I mean keep turning the lights on so they scatter and step on each one you an in the process. Otherwise they'll become and infestation.

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mopek1

How do I know they don't have a choice?

Imagine what would happen if they all decided to take off their head coverings.

Do you really think life would go on normally? No. There would be blood and you know it.

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shoot twice

Oh for crying out loud! I don't know that you're not a crack addict with criminal record. If we decided to get rid of all the crack in the United States there would be blood and you know it. [i]** That was really fucked up twisted your commentary **[i] There's lots of Muslim women that don't wear anything on their heads and there's no blood shed.

Are you really that bent or is this just a game you're playing because you're bored? Because if it is a game it's not a very funny one.


Similar as in in the case of racism An "ISM" against a group of people begins with personal paradigm that someone refuses to challenge and starts to create all kinds of twisted nonsense arguments to defend it. By this I mean there's literally NOTHING anyone can say or do in order to get you (and many others like you) to see these people as being fellow human beings. ** And that's really fucked up **

What disturbs me the most about this current popular "hate" meme is how cleanly it lines up with history and the hate attitudes leading up to the second world war. But back then it took an industrialized process of killing 11 million people (including 6million jews) and 2 atomic bombs before someone finally said "Hey do you think that maybe this isn't right what we're doing?"


In the end this Ism isn't about "liberating" women. It's about wanting another group of people to behave and think just like you. And I'll add to no small degree it's about wanting to be able to exploit Muslim women in the same ways women in the Western world are exploited.

So what's it going to take this time to see them as humans beings...

• 250 million human being exterminated plus plus 50 nukes?

And what's it going to take to trigger it of this time...

• Another loud mouth charismatic cult leader to publish a book on Amazon?
• Another dumb ass American president that instead of talking to God practices the occult?

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DamageX

Holy shit, you're so right!!! Let's all chip in and buy you a one-way ticket to Syria, so that you can join up with ISIS and help fight the West's exploitation of women! What the fuck is this western democracy bullshit and all these constitutional freedoms they shove down people's throats, if not sheer oppression?!?

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mopek1

He doesn't want to listen.

mopek1

This is a quote from one of your responses above.

"So if woman wants to wear a burka in exchange for home and security then that's her right."

If a woman has to wear a burka in order to have security, food and a roof over her head then it is NOT a choice.

Re-read your own comments.

SilentKnight

There's no such thing as racial profiling.

It's called "an educated guess."

DamageX

Apparently. Looks to me like he thinks democracy and western society are worse than the most mysogynist religion ever known to man.

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Grapesoda

well in 'merica we can't look anywhere Muslims are at for Muslim terrorist

Grapesoda

or 'experience'

Markul

Motorcycle helmet = Has a working brain (that needs protection)
Religious outfit = Has no working brain
KKK outfit = Has no working brain

shoot twice

You're entire argument can be summed up as

"Muslims are bad ALL OF THEM! They're women are all abused and controlled because many of them wear a veil. Whatever is wrong in the world they're at fault. "

I'm listening but unfortunately you're not saying anything. You offer no information on what you base your opinions on and your commentary/arguments are both reductionist and circular .

Tell you what,
You're obviously far more insightful and intelligent than I am. Therefore I capitulate to you.

Best of luck to you.

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