News I can not believe it; Michael Brown had it coming

[baddog]

Man, they are not going to be happy in Ferguson.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

Man, they are not going to be happy in Ferguson.

it was an opinion not fact. they dont know what happened not being there thanx for your opinion

[GAMEFINEST]

all bad now ..

[Rochard]

The one part of the story I never understood was the one witness saying a police officer was in his car and tried to pull Brown into the car. This doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why would a police office try to pull anyone into the front seat of a car on top of him? That right there says it all to me. The officer didn't try to pull Brown into the car - Brown went into the car either to assault the officer or to try to take his gun.

[Robbie]

Here's what I think...cops are shooting to kill no matter what.

Any good bouncer in a nightclub could have handled this guy easily.
But cops are being "trained" to shoot to KILL.

Bottom line is...the guy was unarmed. The cop should be able to deal with him without murdering him...unless the guy gets the cop down on the ground and goes for the cops weapon.

Are all these cops unable to handle what a bouncer at a bar handles on a nightly basis?

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here's what I think...cops are shooting to kill no matter what.

Any good bouncer in a nightclub could have handled this guy easily.
But cops are being "trained" to shoot to KILL.

Bottom line is...the guy was unarmed. The cop should be able to deal with him without murdering him...unless the guy gets the cop down on the ground and goes for the cops weapon.

Are all these cops unable to handle what a bouncer at a bar handles on a nightly basis?

Obviously not. Cops aren't trained fighters tipping the scale at 300 pounds. Furthermore, bouncers do not have firearms and other weapons on them which others will make a move for in a struggle, which is a serious concern in any confrontation where the suspect is being belligerent and aggressive or resisting.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Obviously not. Cops aren't trained fighters tipping the scale at 300 pounds. Furthermore, bouncers do not have firearms and other weapons on them which others will make a move for in a struggle.

So cops aren't trained in how to take a person down?

My mom was a deputy sheriff. Two cousins are city cops. My step brother is a deputy.

I can assure you that every one of them was taught how take a person down to the ground.

As for bouncers...after playing in nightclubs from 1978 forward all over the country...I've seen them handle guys who had guns, knives, nunchucks, brass nuckles, broken bottles...you name it. None of those bouncers ever killed anyone.

I'm not saying that "deadly force" isn't needed sometimes. It is.
But NOT against an unarmed man.
IF the cop was going to shoot him...why not in the leg? Or the shoulder? Why is it that cops are shooting to kill everytime they draw their weapon?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here's what I think...cops are shooting to kill no matter what.
blah blah blah

And here is what I think; you don't care about facts when it comes to cops.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

And here is what I think; you don't care about facts when it comes to cops.

here's a fact: they cover up crimes they commit

[theking]

Originally Posted by Robbie

So cops aren't trained in how to take a person down?

My mom was a deputy sheriff. Two cousins are city cops. My step brother is a deputy.

I can assure you that every one of them was taught how take a person down to the ground.

As for bouncers...after playing in nightclubs from 1978 forward all over the country...I've seen them handle guys who had guns, knives, nunchucks, brass nuckles, broken bottles...you name it. None of those bouncers ever killed anyone.

I'm not saying that "deadly force" isn't needed sometimes. It is.
But NOT against an unarmed man.
IF the cop was going to shoot him...why not in the leg? Or the shoulder? Why is it that cops are shooting to kill everytime they draw their weapon?

They are not required by law to get down in the mud and the blood as say a bouncer would be inclined to do. They can legally use whatever force they feel is necessary in any given situation. Most are trained to shoot center mass and fire a minimum of three shots...some are trained to fire non stop until the suspect goes down and is incapacitated to the point that he/she no longer represents a danger to the officer.

[American Psycho]

why should anyone care if one thug (black or white ) gets shot legitimately by a cop.
better than us paying for him being incarcerated.

they are cops, they have guns, if you are dumb enough to fuck around with them then i am all for them shooting you.

too many people on the planet anyways.

[nico-t]

Thanks for another 1 sentence thread where you are assuming everyone is already 'in the know'. You must be gloating, all smug, thinking something like "If they don't know they have to search it for themselves to understand my thread, har har, I am so special".

Yes baddog, you're special. Special like a special olympics participant.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Robbie

So cops aren't trained in how to take a person down?

My mom was a deputy sheriff. Two cousins are city cops. My step brother is a deputy.

I can assure you that every one of them was taught how take a person down to the ground.

As for bouncers...after playing in nightclubs from 1978 forward all over the country...I've seen them handle guys who had guns, knives, nunchucks, brass nuckles, broken bottles...you name it. None of those bouncers ever killed anyone.

I'm not saying that "deadly force" isn't needed sometimes. It is.
But NOT against an unarmed man.
IF the cop was going to shoot him...why not in the leg? Or the shoulder? Why is it that cops are shooting to kill everytime they draw their weapon?

I'm not saying cops don't have training but bouncers are typically large fighters, martial artists, weight lifters etc. Police are ONLY trained in defensive tactics and training is very limited.

As someone who has been involved in boxing, kickboxing, muay thai or karate for much of my life, i can say with 100% confidence that it takes consistent training... daily, an hour a day or more for months and months on end, to be effective at anything in any basic combat art. You can't just learn a few wrist locks or joint locks and effecitively apply them when needed 8 months later because you had a few hours of training. Being good and effective takes constant practice. Thats why when you watch Cops, it always takes a group of police to take someone down who is aggressively resisting and secure them unless that person is drunk enough or hurt etc.

That said, I do think police should be quicker with a stun gun than a pistol.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Why would a police office try to pull anyone into the front seat of a car on top of him?

Maybe he was dehhh ghey????

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Maybe he was dehhh ghey????

soliciting, on the job? Brown should've made a citizen arrest!

[stickyfingerz]

This thread is lacking information, and full of ignorance. Darren Wilson needs to be in jail for life period.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

This thread is lacking information, and full of ignorance. Darren Wilson needs to be in jail for life period.

No investigation results, no trial, all your facts are from news reports but put him away for life. Talk about lacking information and ignorance.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

it was an opinion not fact. they dont know what happened not being there thanx for your opinion

you believe anything a black guy says about anything....

[sandman!]

we know you hate cops buddy

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

This thread is lacking information, and full of ignorance. Darren Wilson needs to be in jail for life period.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you believe anything a black guy says about anything....

what black guy?? fuck you asshole

[_Richard_]

no soot or stippling was found on any of the wounds?

yeaaaa i am gonna wait for the federal autopsy before jumping to interweb conclusions..

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here's what I think...cops are shooting to kill no matter what.

Any good bouncer in a nightclub could have handled this guy easily.
But cops are being "trained" to shoot to KILL.

Bottom line is...the guy was unarmed. The cop should be able to deal with him without murdering him...unless the guy gets the cop down on the ground and goes for the cops weapon.

Are all these cops unable to handle what a bouncer at a bar handles on a nightly basis?

Like I've said before...being a cop is a man's job. A big, physically formidable man. One who doesn't need to pull out his gun in every situation because his bitch-ass can't handle himself and/or is scared of black people. Cops don't have the right to protect their lives at the first perceived threat of any violence towards them with a full clip into someone's chest -- or even worse, their back.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The one part of the story I never understood was the one witness saying a police officer was in his car and tried to pull Brown into the car. This doesn't make any sense to me at all. Why would a police office try to pull anyone into the front seat of a car on top of him? That right there says it all to me. The officer didn't try to pull Brown into the car - Brown went into the car either to assault the officer or to try to take his gun.

Have you seen the face of this "witness"? Same type Brown was. They hanged together.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here's what I think...cops are shooting to kill no matter what.

Any good bouncer in a nightclub could have handled this guy easily.
But cops are being "trained" to shoot to KILL.

Bottom line is...the guy was unarmed. The cop should be able to deal with him without murdering him...unless the guy gets the cop down on the ground and goes for the cops weapon.

Are all these cops unable to handle what a bouncer at a bar handles on a nightly basis?

Wrong. Cops are trained to stop the threat. Trained to shoot center mass. Everywhere.

The use of force is a complicated thing to accomplish, especially in the heat of the moment when the human mind is in a fight or flight state.

While some folks with no training in these matters sit here and armchair this guys decisions, I have actually been trained in the use of force by the DOD and by the POST academy in California. I believe Sperber is also a former LE, so maybe he can reply too.

There is no winner.

[DBS.US]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

This thread is lacking information, and full of ignorance. Darren Wilson needs to be in jail for life period.

Life?

[noshit]

The fact that you morons are even discussing this tells me that Peace Officers have gone from Serve and Protect to Shoot First and ask questions later.

Congrats on dumping Constitutional American History for an acclimated trendy life.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by noshit

The fact that you morons are even discussing this tells me that Peace Officers have gone from Serve and Protect to Shoot First and ask questions later.

Congrats on dumping Constitutional American History for an acclimated trendy life.

Not all of them. There are some douche cops out there. There are also some very nice ones that are doing the job for the right reasons.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Cops don't have the right to protect their lives at the first perceived threat of any violence towards them with a full clip into someone's chest -- or even worse, their back.

They do actually. The law allows it and guarantees their protection if they do it for the right reasons. Whether it's someone else's life, their own, or even property in some instances, they have the legal, lawful right AND duty to use force necessary to stop the threat, including death.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by noshit

The fact that you morons are even discussing this tells me that Peace Officers have gone from Serve and Protect to Shoot First and ask questions later.

Congrats on dumping Constitutional American History for an acclimated trendy life.

they have not been peace officers for years, they are 'law enforcement officers'

[huey]

If you saw that little bitch cop shoot the black guy for reaching towards his glove compartment to get his ID for not wearing a seat belt gives me a pretty good idea of how this cop handled the situation.

[noshit]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

they have not been peace officers for years, they are 'law enforcement officers'

Exactly.

[Mediamix]

I once had four cops knocking on my door and I was in a really bad mood. I started to fight. Two cops grabbed their gun and the other two went into full combat mode on my ass. They could have easily shot me, but I had no weapons.. I went full retard on their ass and kicked them off my property. The two other cops with the guns in their hand kept yelling, but I didn't give a flying fuck at the time. I kicked the two other cops untill they left my property..

Could they have killed me. Yes. Would it be legal. No and yes.. A good cop only use a weapon when in fear for his life. Afterwards in court one of the cops that was holding a gun gave a statement that helped me. Because they could only fire a gun at me when their life was in danger. But the cop told the judge that they didn't fear for their lives...

It was a very lucky day for me and now I respect cops that know what they're doing. It was a lesson for me, but also for them. Now, years later, those same cops make smalltalk with me and with one of them I became good friends.

It's a strange world sometimes.

[baddog]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/justic...psy/index.html

(CNN) -- Michael Brown's gunshot wounds included a shot in the hand at close range, his official autopsy shows, according to an analysis reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper.

A county official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN the autopsy document that the Post-Dispatch used to do its report is authentic.

The detail could lend credence to Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson's account that he and the unarmed African-American teenager scuffled at his patrol car before Brown was shot and killed.

Wilson told investigators that during a struggle for his pistol inside a police SUV, Brown pressed the barrel of Wilson's gun against the officer's hip, the Post-Dispatch reported, citing a source with knowledge of his statements.

The officer tried to prevent Brown from reaching the trigger, the source told the newspaper, and when he thought he had control, he fired. But Brown's hand was blocking the mechanism, the Post-Dispatch reported.

Wilson said he fired two shots, and Brown was hit in the hand and ran. He told investigators that he fired again when Brown turned back and charged at him, according to the paper.

....

[Robbie]

So the cop was sitting in his car? Why wasn't he out of the car since he was going to arrest the guy anyway?

Also...how did the guy grab the cops weapon if the cop was seated in his car and the gun holstered?

Sounds like the cop was too scared to get out of his car and had his gun already out while still sitting in his patrol car.

I guess we'll never know. The cops tell the story and that's that.

[Horatio Caine]

Why isn't Robbie driving police car serving us, the people?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Why isn't Robbie driving police car serving us, the people?

What? I'm not qualified to make an observation? I don't think cops should be KILLING people.

If that offends you, then I don't know what to say.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Mediamix

I once had four cops knocking on my door and I was in a really bad mood. I started to fight. Two cops grabbed their gun and the other two went into full combat mode on my ass. They could have easily shot me, but I had no weapons.. I went full retard on their ass and kicked them off my property. The two other cops with the guns in their hand kept yelling, but I didn't give a flying fuck at the time. I kicked the two other cops untill they left my property..

Could they have killed me. Yes. Would it be legal. No and yes.. A good cop only use a weapon when in fear for his life. Afterwards in court one of the cops that was holding a gun gave a statement that helped me. Because they could only fire a gun at me when their life was in danger. But the cop told the judge that they didn't fear for their lives...

It was a very lucky day for me and now I respect cops that know what they're doing. It was a lesson for me, but also for them. Now, years later, those same cops make smalltalk with me and with one of them I became good friends.

It's a strange world sometimes.

Are you black or white? That might answer why you're still alive.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by American Psycho

why should anyone care if one thug (black or white ) gets shot legitimately by a cop.
better than us paying for him being incarcerated.

they are cops, they have guns, if you are dumb enough to fuck around with them then i am all for them shooting you.

too many people on the planet anyways.

I agree. You try to take a firearm from a police officer you deserve to shot. And you most likely will.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Why isn't Robbie driving police car serving us, the people?

I know I'd feel safer.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Are you black or white? That might answer why you're still alive.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by baddog

I know I'd feel safer.

I personally feel safe all the time. Not afraid of too much...except cops. They make me nervous these days.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by Robbie

What? I'm not qualified to make an observation? I don't think cops should be KILLING people.

If that offends you, then I don't know what to say.

Observation? I figured you have first hand experience how to deal with doped out 6'2" black guy dragging you out of your car. Damn.

PS: Weird, I'm not scared of cops. Never been roughed up or chased around. Could it be because I pull over, roll my window down and get ready to hand in my insurance and dl when asked? My clean rap sheet helps out as well?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I personally feel safe all the time. Not afraid of too much...except cops. They make me nervous these days.

You've said that before and it blows my mind; middle aged white guy, you don't look like you did time so can't imagine cops are particularly intimidated by you to want to come off as aggressive.

Hell, I get into heated arguments with cops (just last week for example) around here and never felt nervous doing so.

[Matt 26z]

It's just sad how uninformed Micahel Brown supporters are on this incident. You are making yourselves look stupid.


Here are the facts:

- Michael Brown manhandled a store clerk while stealing blunts. Video has been posted online.

- He and his friend left the store and walked down the middle of the street, backing up traffic.

- The cop (who was unaware of the robbery) pulled up next to Brown and friend and told them to get on the sidewalk.

- Brown started swearing at the cop.

- The cop opened his door, but Brown slammed hit shut with both hands and held it shut.

- Brown then began punching the officer in the face, causing injury.

- The officer pulled out his firearm and Brown grabbed it and held it down.

- The officer shot Brown twice in the arm. Gunpowder residue was found in the wounds, shell casings and Browns blood in the car, proving there was indeed a close combat struggle.

- Brown then backed out of the car and took off down the street.

- Brown then turned around and rushed the officer and was shot. He then continued moving forward, as evidenced by the blood trail and he was then shot again.

- Autopsy results have shown that Brown did not have his hands in the air at the time he was shot as Brown supporters claim. Doctors can tell his because the muscles change shape while stretched and the damage to Brown is not consistant with someone who had their arms raised.

- Several black witnesses have come forward with stories that match up with the officer's telling of events. These people are afraid to talk to the media.

[Matt 26z]

The BOGUS series of events the low IQ fools want you to believe:

- Brown and friend were walking on the side of the street.
- The cop drove by, put his car in reverse, stopped by Brown and slammed his door open into him.
- The cop then grabbed brown by the neck and pulled him into the car.
- Brown backed out and got down on his knees and put his hands in the air.
- The cop then executed brown by shooting him in the head.


The morons that believe this will believe NOTHING from the official report when it comes out. To them it will all be a fabrication, evidence planted and science staged.

[bagfull]

dude had no gun, got killed by punk police

[American Psycho]

This is how the masses feel they have a voice and its a reason to loot Wal-Mart goods too lol.
Errbody needs new irons sometimes

Sure theres a time whem its legit but its not now imo and it makes all those arguing for it look silly.

Id wager theres as many biased black cops as there are white cops.

[kane]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Are you black or white? That might answer why you're still alive.

His location says he is in the Netherlands. Things might be different there. If he did that in the US the police wouldn't have left, they would have arrested him and charged him with assaulting an officer.

So her is either in a different country or full of shit.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by bagfull

dude had no gun, got killed by punk police

The law doesn't require a weapon to use deadly force. It only requires the officer fearing for his life of the life of another. Let's not let logic or the law get in the way of ignorance and guessing what the facts are though.

[seeric]

49 "fuck it's" we're just going to guess what happened. LOL.