TGP and MOVIE gallery makers you MUST READ THIS!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 05:00 AM

Gallery building 101 says - DO NOT NUMBER YOUR GALLERIES 1.HTML, 2.HTML, 3.HTML!! Always use a unique variable in your url each time you make a new gallery.

Come on, I found galleries that had three 20 second dvd quality movies approx 2mb each - primo pornstar content too.

All were numbered gallery30.html, gallery29.html, and I went back and back to gallery01.html

First of all you burn 20x the amount of b/w and with movies like this and this big it is scary to think how much it is costing him

plus obviously this surfer is never going to join your site or anyone's site.

If a surfer tries to change the url of your gallery to find another one they should always 404.

Don't be a dumbass

DarkJedi · 03-11-2003, 05:03 AM

why do you care if some newb can't make galleries ?

BigFish · 03-11-2003, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
why do you care if some newb can't make galleries ?

help thy competition make more money is the motto around here.

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 05:12 AM

too much free porn!

chocker is a ganster!

I dunno why I posted it... it's a tip for gallery makers and it's just another thing that contributes to 'too much free porn'

Tuga · 03-11-2003, 05:12 AM

If noobs are giving away free movies, its bad for all of us.

Marcus · 03-11-2003, 05:13 AM

I number them like that. I dont know a better way to keep them organized.

Tipsy · 03-11-2003, 05:22 AM

If you're into movie galleries then quite a few MPG's only take movies over 1.5 meg. Always seemed crazy to me but that's their rules.

MichaelH · 03-11-2003, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
why do you care if some newb can't make galleries ?

Well, even reputated sponsors are not very carefull with this. Smart surfers could simply get their free food through HUNDREDS of sponsor hosted galleries if they wanted to, since those galleries are not uniquely seperated.

Tipsy, only very few mgps demand the 1mb+ files, and a good deal of them don't host their own freebies legitimatelly.

Michael

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 06:01 AM

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I number them like that. I dont know a better way to keep them organized.

*sigh*

All you have to do is number them with a unique variable inserted like this:

gallerydff01.html
galleryzdr02.html
galleryrkh03.html

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Well, also reputated sponsors are not very carefull with this. Smart surfers could simply get their free food through HUNDREDS of sponsor hosted galleries if they wanted to, since those galleries are not uniquely seperated.

You are absolutley right and Nastydollars is the worst for it. They use sequential numbers and everything else is exactly the same:

http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/182/?id=pr0biz

You don't have to be that smart to change the number 182 to 181 in the url of your browser and once you see another gallery pop up - JACKOT you have 181 galleries with 800kb mpegs - tell me how this isn't damaging gtp traffic and ratios.

I beleive this should be changed and become outlawed - like hotlinking is.

There are a good number of sponsors that kept this is mind and employ a variable strategy in their urls, soon everyone will be doing it I hope...

slapass · 03-11-2003, 06:09 AM

The other idea is to always number them like that so the surfer at least stays in your galleries rather then closing it and moving on to the next gallery in the TGP list. This way it is still possible to make a sale.

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 06:16 AM

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Tipsy, only very few mgps demand the 1mb+ files, and a good deal of them don't host their own freebies legitimatelly.

I know but those handfull of MGPS push a lot of traffic and ultimately trade with the big tgps as well so surfers from the tgp world are ending up at the these MGPS and finding these galleries too.

Yes, the illegitamaelty hosted galleries are not a problem because if you go back a gallery or two they no longer work but more and more webmasters are attempting to get into this seperate traffic pool and are using three 2mb movies to do so with sequential gallery urls.

I bet half of the tgp galleries you visit on any big regular tgp you could find 5+ galleries on their domain by changing numbers and letters in the urls but those are only pics no big deal - these are huge dvd quality 20 second pornstar movies with facials etc.

And with the trend of tgps moving more and more toward movies it is a disturbing thought of what will happen when movies are everywhere and are so easily accessible?

Bottom line IMO if you are not using a random variable in your gallery URLS you are hurting yourself and the industry.

Our industry is one of constant change and adaptation. Often we are too late to take action and thus we all suffer for it. I believe we can all agree that access to more free hardcore hurts conversions and turns buyers into freeloaders and this is clearly an issue of that with these urls. Good news is that very little effort or sacrifice is needed to fix the problem and no one will lose anything by using urls like this.

Let your voice be heard if you agree and want to see action taken.

Ray@TastyDollars · 03-11-2003, 06:17 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

help thy competition make more money is the motto around here.

Nothing wrong witrh that.

Someone thought me, and I thought someone else, get it?

Ray

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 06:20 AM

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The other idea is to always number them like that so the surfer at least stays in your galleries rather then closing it and moving on to the next gallery in the TGP list. This way it is still possible to make a sale.

That is another idea, and it is created from denial.
Showing them 50 more movies is not going to make them buy and the odd one that does is not worth the b/w you consume.

RockDaddy · 03-11-2003, 07:42 AM

I can go to most movies posts, pretty much any tgp or link site and never have to buy a membership either.

I think surfers surfing through sequentially numbered galleries is nothing more than a drop of water in the ocean.

Tuga · 03-11-2003, 07:46 AM

I did that several times when surfing TGPs :P
If the gallery is good and you dont feel like paying, find more of those galleries! The number in the url is too easy to replace..

Tipsy · 03-11-2003, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by MichaelH

Tipsy, only very few mgps demand the 1mb+ files, and a good deal of them don't host their own freebies legitimatelly.

Michael

I'd disagree and say there's quite a few that are dumb enough to demand 1mb plus if we're talking about pure MGP's and not TGP's that will also list movie galleries. However the jojojo covered the main point concerning that already.

hyper · 03-11-2003, 07:55 AM

so isnt the mpeg numbers .. dont number your mpegs easy either

ry0t · 03-11-2003, 07:58 AM

I number my gallery pages 1.html 2.html etc. they're all the same gallery pages same design, same movies so it really doesnt matter. I make a good number of sign ups per day.

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 03:51 PM

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I can go to most movies posts, pretty much any tgp or link site and never have to buy a membership either.

I think surfers surfing through sequentially numbered galleries is nothing more than a drop of water in the ocean.

It is this kind fo mentality that has caused conversions to steadily drop over the last few years.

Now that this thread is bumped we will see what the sponsors that are doing this have to say for themselves.

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 03:54 PM

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I number my gallery pages 1.html 2.html etc. they're all the same gallery pages same design, same movies so it really doesnt matter. I make a good number of sign ups per day.

and repsonses like this are disturbing - what is your point - this doesn't make any sense or contribute anything to the discussion. And I wonder how we got to this point??! LOL

HungSolo · 03-11-2003, 04:19 PM

Red herring.

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 08:30 PM

Red herring?

gripcash · 03-11-2003, 08:37 PM

This topic does seem like a big so what. So a clever surfer sucks up some bandwidth of galleries you're busy spreading around anyway. Maybe you've lost a little money, but then, you could probably save a little money in a hundred different ways. Do you cut coupons?

jojojo · 03-11-2003, 09:55 PM

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This topic does seem like a big so what. So a clever surfer sucks up some bandwidth of galleries you're busy spreading around anyway. Maybe you've lost a little money, but then, you could probably save a little money in a hundred different ways. Do you cut coupons?

The issue is not the money lost it is the access to hundreds of galleries. You don't need to be clever to figure it out either.

Gallery makers and especially sponsors should not be diluting the tgp traffic pool even moreith careless URL planning.

FATPad · 03-11-2003, 10:18 PM

Tear down all your movie galleries! Reduce free porn! Too much free porn! Viva la TGP2! Viva la careful URL planning!

Actually, I sort of agree, but I don't think it's worth crusading over.

DavePlays · 03-12-2003, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by jojojo

All were numbered gallery30.html, gallery29.html, and I went back and back to gallery01.html

Don't be a dumbass

Trying not to be a dumbass....

But after looking at #30 and 29 and 28 - seeing that every page is exactly the same, why would you or anyone keep going and load 26 more pages until you got to 1 ?

Maybe I'm just missing something?

Enoch · 03-12-2003, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Tuga
If noobs are giving away free movies, its bad for all of us.

A noob calling other people noob.

jojojo · 03-12-2003, 12:26 AM

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Trying not to be a dumbass....

But after looking at #30 and 29 and 28 - seeing that every page is exactly the same, why would you or anyone keep going and load 26 more pages until you got to 1 ?

Maybe I'm just missing something?

Yes you are missing something. You do not see the same gallery, you see a different one.

Like this nastydollars gallery:

http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/182/?id=pr0biz

Just change the number 182 to 181 and so on.

It is in everyone's best interest to not do this and it doesn't cost anything to do it. Therefore I believe it is something that we should push the sponsors to make happen.

Icy · 03-12-2003, 06:18 AM

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Originally posted by jojojo

Yes you are missing something. You do not see the same gallery, you see a different one.

Like this nastydollars gallery:

http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/182/?id=pr0biz

Just change the number 182 to 181 and so on.

It is in everyone's best interest to not do this and it doesn't cost anything to do it. Therefore I believe it is something that we should push the sponsors to make happen.

I see your point, but for a different point of view lets think this way:

Surfer see gallery http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/182/?id=webmaster1 at one mgp.
Then he tries http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/181/?id=webmaster1
Then he tries http://gallys.nastydollars.com/bn/180/?id=webmaster1 and he is horny enought, he loves that movie and he joins the site, not bad at all for webmaster1. I think that only damage the mgp owner as the surfer won't click, but for the gallery maker? the more exposure of his own galleries, the more chances to make sales. I preffer a surfer to look 10 of my galleries than one surfer looking 10 of other guys galleries, and about giving away free porn, well, 10 of my galleries are same amount of free porn than 10 galeries from different webmasters, and as i said before, 10x more chances to get a sale, will i burn more bandwith? yeah, but also submiting to thehun i burn more bandwith than submitting to a 1k per day tgp, but also get more exposure and thats the point about making galleries.

Ron2k1 · 03-12-2003, 06:31 AM

First of all only very few surfers would do that, more then 99% won't do it...

And those very few seem to like your gallery so much that they want more!! That's good! So what do they do? Well as you said some of them will change the URL a bit to see more similar galleries.

But when they have seen all your small preview galleries they still can't get enough of your content and they sign up to your sponsor!!! Hooray a sale!

jojojo · 03-12-2003, 07:32 AM

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But when they have seen all your small preview galleries they still can't get enough of your content and they sign up to your sponsor!!! Hooray a sale!

You are dreamland man. This kind of selfish mentality is what has continued to destroy this traffic pool.

Whatever, no one seems to give a fuck, what else is new.

I guess as the tgp traffic pool gets more and more shitty it will force more webmasters to quit the biz anyways. Great. Cya.

escorpio · 03-12-2003, 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by Enoch

A noob calling other people noob.

Got to know thyself. I am a noob and can call another a noob cuz we can smell our own. It's O.K. when a noob calls a noob a noob. It's an insult when a long time industry player says it. Kinda like that "N word" thing.

03-11-2003, 05:00 AM	#1
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	TGP and MOVIE gallery makers you MUST READ THIS!!! Gallery building 101 says - DO NOT NUMBER YOUR GALLERIES 1.HTML, 2.HTML, 3.HTML!! Always use a unique variable in your url each time you make a new gallery. Come on, I found galleries that had three 20 second dvd quality movies approx 2mb each - primo pornstar content too. All were numbered gallery30.html, gallery29.html, and I went back and back to gallery01.html First of all you burn 20x the amount of b/w and with movies like this and this big it is scary to think how much it is costing him plus obviously this surfer is never going to join your site or anyone's site. If a surfer tries to change the url of your gallery to find another one they should always 404. Don't be a dumbass __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

03-11-2003, 05:12 AM	#4
jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	too much free porn! chocker is a ganster! I dunno why I posted it... it's a tip for gallery makers and it's just another thing that contributes to 'too much free porn' __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

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Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	If noobs are giving away free movies, its bad for all of us. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

03-11-2003, 07:46 AM	#15
Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	I did that several times when surfing TGPs :P If the gallery is good and you dont feel like paying, find more of those galleries! The number in the url is too easy to replace.. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

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hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	so isnt the mpeg numbers .. dont number your mpegs easy either __________________

03-11-2003, 05:03 AM	#2
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	why do you care if some newb can't make galleries ?

03-11-2003, 05:13 AM	#6
Marcus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,472	I number them like that. I dont know a better way to keep them organized.

03-11-2003, 05:22 AM	#7
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	If you're into movie galleries then quite a few MPG's only take movies over 1.5 meg. Always seemed crazy to me but that's their rules.

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	The other idea is to always number them like that so the surfer at least stays in your galleries rather then closing it and moving on to the next gallery in the TGP list. This way it is still possible to make a sale.

03-11-2003, 07:42 AM	#14
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	I can go to most movies posts, pretty much any tgp or link site and never have to buy a membership either. I think surfers surfing through sequentially numbered galleries is nothing more than a drop of water in the ocean.

03-11-2003, 07:58 AM	#18
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	I number my gallery pages 1.html 2.html etc. they're all the same gallery pages same design, same movies so it really doesnt matter. I make a good number of sign ups per day.

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HungSolo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away... Posts: 582	Red herring.

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jojojo Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,318	Red herring? __________________ Learn SEO - make $$ residually - icq me 333485092

03-11-2003, 08:37 PM	#23
gripcash Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CA Posts: 154	This topic does seem like a big so what. So a clever surfer sucks up some bandwidth of galleries you're busy spreading around anyway. Maybe you've lost a little money, but then, you could probably save a little money in a hundred different ways. Do you cut coupons? __________________ -grip

03-11-2003, 10:18 PM	#25
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Tear down all your movie galleries! Reduce free porn! Too much free porn! Viva la TGP2! Viva la careful URL planning! Actually, I sort of agree, but I don't think it's worth crusading over. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

03-12-2003, 06:31 AM	#30
Ron2k1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,573	First of all only very few surfers would do that, more then 99% won't do it... And those very few seem to like your gallery so much that they want more!! That's good! So what do they do? Well as you said some of them will change the URL a bit to see more similar galleries. But when they have seen all your small preview galleries they still can't get enough of your content and they sign up to your sponsor!!! Hooray a sale!