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09-07-2014, 09:25 AM | #1 |
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What concerts have you seen?
Spent a few hours the other night going through all my old concert ticket stubs from over the years (I collect'em).
Just curious to know what concerts ya'll have seen over the years. Back in the day I've seen: Genesis (Maple Leaf Gardens) Van Halen (Maple Leaf Gardens) Boston (Kingswood Music Theatre) Eagles (C.N.E. grandstand) Yes (C.N.E. grandstand) Stevie Nicks (Kingswood Music Theatre) the Tubes (Lulu's Roadhouse) Saga (Lulu's Roadhouse/RPMs) Steve Earle (Diamond Club, Toronto) Randy Travis (C.N.E. grandstand) K.T. Oslin (C.N.E. grandstand) Max Webster (Sutton H.S.) Charlie Daniels (Lulu's Roadhouse) Colin James (Lulu's Roadhouse) Restless Heart (Graceland bar) Blue Rodeo (Graceland bar) Toronto (Tony's East) Headpins (Tony's East) David Wilcox (Lulu's Roadhouse) Pat Benatar (Lulu's Roadhouse) |
09-07-2014, 09:27 AM | #2 |
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Oh Christ. Next month alone I am seeing two full weekends of ACL, another set by Skrillex, and another set by Bassnectar.
Had to stop counting a long time ago!
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09-07-2014, 09:27 AM | #3 |
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I couldn't even begin to make a list...not a "complete" list, anyway.
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(without ticket stubs...I wouldn't remember half of them anyways, lol) |
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A lot of fuckin shows
Though none of the bands you listed |
09-07-2014, 10:42 AM | #6 |
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too many - but 3/4 of them were my job
but hardly any big ones, i don't like the stadium atmosphere
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Blur - The Metro Chicago The Cure - Vic Theater Chicago Smashing Pumpkins - United Center Chicago The Fixx - Navy Pier Chicago Blessid Union Of Souls - Joe's Bar Chicago Sade - United Center Chicago The Smithereens - 10+ Times REO Speedwagon Gin Blossoms Matchbox 20 etc.... too many to list or remember unless I hunted for the stubs or bracelets. |
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09-07-2014, 10:55 AM | #8 |
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The list would be impossible...sure the last few but not a comprehensive totally accurate one. Shit...there are concerts I am certain that I was at that I was never actually at and vice versa!
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09-07-2014, 11:05 AM | #9 |
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09-07-2014, 11:28 AM | #10 |
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Pearl Jam Motley Crue Metallica Guns N Roses Aerosmith Nirvana The Cure The Smashing Pumpkins Slayer Fugazi NOFX Those are the big ones that I can recall off the top of my head. I've been to a bunch more. |
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Lights twice! I would go 10 more times if she comes nearby. I was first row in both shows. I waited 3h and 6h for both.
(*) Sorry for the date of the video, it's the only one on Youtube I could find that is live and sounds good. |
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Some local hillbillies playing banjo.
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09-07-2014, 11:52 AM | #13 |
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working as sound operator...
(excellent evening/weekend job - paid very well - most of the time)
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09-07-2014, 12:46 PM | #14 |
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Genesis was my first concert. Everything since then was a blur.
We had great seats for Journey not too long ago.... Fourth row.
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09-07-2014, 12:51 PM | #15 |
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ice t gap band snoop dogg dogg pound dre
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09-07-2014, 01:13 PM | #16 |
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god knows how many concerts I've been to, well over 200 (maybe even 300) plus loads of pub gigs. the most high profile one I saw was Nirvana's last UK concert (Was a fan of them but the show was shit, loads of people left early), the best I saw was probably either one of the Dog's D'Amour shows I saw, Kirsty Macoll or Nick Cave.
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i've seen many bigger and smaller names but here is a list of favorites which i can remember since 90s til now:
body count clutch slayer ice-t public enemy jon spencer blues explosion iron maiden mastodon cypress hill jamiroquai asian dub foundation placebo morcheeba faithless muse iggy pop ramones stereo mc's kosheen uk subs seven that spells massive attack prodigy thievery corporation the roots chemical brothers napalm death biohazard sick of it all helmet the national .... |
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So, I would have REALLY needed to kept track of that. :P
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Man I would not where to begin. Been a concert junkie since I was 13.
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No Michael Jackson concerts?
At the moment I'd really like a Paolo Nutini one. That guy is amazing live.
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how could i forget motorhead ?!
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Dozens, too many to even remember them all.
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Aerosmith with AC/DC as the opening,they were just starting out and blew Aerosmith away
Deep Purple Van Halen Cars Ted Nugent Supertramp Heart probably a whole bunch more ,but those were the notables
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Been to a few more than some less than others...Here's my list
Grateful Dead x 12 Rush x 2 Motley Crue x 2 Robert Plant Robert Plant and Jimmy Page Crosby Stills and Nash x 2 Rolling Stones x2 Pink Floyd/Roger Waters x4 Fleetwood Mac The Who x2 Steve Miller Band Yes Ratt and Poison Iron Maiden Doobie Brothers ( free concert ) Aerosmith' Metallica x 3 Slayer, megadeath and Anthrax Bon Jovi James Taylor Johnnie Cash Stone Temple Pilots Almann Brothers Bob Seger' Guns and Roses Alicia Keys And around 200 all night house/techno event s and about 1/2 of those within the past two y years
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Too many to remember, but some of the "before they were big" names I saw at very small venues (Bottom Line, CBGB, Max's Kansas City, Filmore East, Palladium) were Blondie, Ramones, Cars, Elvis Costello, Black Crowes, Billy Idol, Joan Jett, Prince, Talking Heads, Steely Dan, Bon Jovi and this guy from Jersey named Bruce Springsteen at the Capitol Theater in Passiac, NJ.
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I've probably forgotten more concerts than I can remember at this moment...
AC DC (multiple times) Boston Twisted Sister Smashing Pumpkins Weezer Triumph Rush Sammy Hagar Tool Flaming Lips Jewel Metallica Slayer Tenacious D My first show was Ozzy and Night Ranger when I was a little kid.
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I've been to 100s of shows over the years, I wish I kept an accurate list.
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I cant even remember all the shows I have seen but here are some:
Pink Floyd Metallica (numerous times) Guns N Roses Madonna God Smack Motley Crue Korn 311 Deftones blink 182 I know there are many more just cant remember, however I just got my tickets for Korn/Slipknot in November!! Cant wait for that show as I have never seen slipknot before!
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Let's just go with recently...
Queens of the Stone Age Judas Priest Metallica Stone Temple Pilots Pearl Jam
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Ones I can remember...sort of
Genisis Ted Nugent AC/DC Willie Nelson Kiss Robert Plant Jimmie Page Stevie Ray Vaughn David Lee Roth Earth Wind and Fire The Moody Blues Alice Cooper The Eagles Boston Pink Flyod BB King Joe Walsh Steve Vai Journey Corey Heart Rick Springfield Patti LaBelle Peaches and Herb Heart David Sanborn Rod Stewart Counting Crows
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Way too many to list, the last GOOD one I went to was "The XX"
http://www.rdio.com/artist/The_xx/album/XX/
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In no order...some that i can remember off the top of my head
Deep Purple - Place De Arts & Ottawa Civic Centre Eric Clapton - Bell Centre Jeff Beck - Bell Centre Rolling Stones - Bell Centre ACDC - Montreal Olympic Stadium Kiss - Bell Centre System of a Down - Copps Coliseum Tool - Copps Coliseum Queens of the Stone Age - KoolHaus Opeth - Opera House Clutch - Horseshoe Tavern Alice Cooper - Rock the Park Lynyrd Skynyrd - Rock the Park Metallica - Bell Centre Slayer - Scotiabank Place Motorhead - Bell Centre Megadeth - Bell Centre Bob Dylan - BluesFest White Stripes - Bluesfest George Thorogood - Bluesfest and NAC Rush - Bluesfest Iron Maiden - Bell Centre Guns n Roses - Scotiabank Place Roger Waters (doing the wall) - Scotiabank Place Black Sabbath - Canadian Tire Centre Van Halen - Scotiabank Place Tom Petty - Air Canada Centre Crosby, Stills & Nash - Air Canada Centre Hank3 - Babylons Dayglo Abortions - a bunch of places
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ac/dc rolling stones x3 guns n' roses (actually it was axl and a bunch of assholes) sebastian bach & band motorhead NOFX paul mc cartney x2 ozzy osbourne iron maiden x2 roger waters (The wall) megadeth x2 epica x2 arch enemy aerosmith x2 slash & myles kennedy deep purple sepultura x2 pixies queens of the stone age eric clapton Marky Ramone x2 etc etc
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Not too many, I'm not really into concerts
Eminem Oasis x 2 The Killers x 2 Michael Buble Ocean Colour Scene I think that is it. My wife loves concerts and has been to probably 50-60, many of them repeat groups tho like the ones above. I think she saw The Killers about 7 times now. |
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The Cure The Cult Morrissey Earth Wind and Fire Willie Nelson AC/DC Tom Cochrane The Pet Shop Boys The Steve Miller Band U2 Erasure 54-40 I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that come immediately to mind.
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Oasis x10
Killers x3 Rod stewart The Rolling Stones Tool x3 Stone Temple Pilots MUSE X5 Eminem,snoop dog and dr dre together Black Sabbath Ozzy Osborne Noel Gallagher solo x2 Beady Eye Motley Crue x2 Aerosmith x2 Blink 182 x3 Bon Jovi Nine inch nails Red Hot chili peppers Soundtrack of our lives The Music x2 Super Grass Tim Burgess I mother earth Green Day the cure Sound garden Paul McCartney AC/DC Paul Weller Foo Fighters The raconteurs Alice in chains Biffy Clyro x2 Weezer Smashing Pumpkins The list goes on and on.
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A lot old school awesome going on here. Unfortunately, cannot match up with that, but here were my last few I can remember (been to hundreds):
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Starting with Van Halen on their inaugural tour in '78, a whole lot of them.
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Way to many to remember all of them.
Stand outs would be. Rodriguez last year I loved this guy before he became re-famous. AC/DC original line up playing the Blue Gum Hotel in 78/79 Bob Dylan over the years. Talking Heads in the early 80's
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These are some of the concerts that I remember... I probably don't remember the best ones:
John Mayall - 1970 - London Fleetwood Mac - 1970 or 71 - London The Who - 1972 or 1973 - London Roxy Music - 1973 - London Mahavishnu Orchestra - 1973 - London Frank Zappa - 1973 - London John Martyn - 1973 thru 1981 - Keele University, Brighton, London Spirit - 1973 - Keele University Van Morrison - 1974 - London Traffic - 1974 - London Led Zeppelin - 1975 - London Spirit / The Police - 1978 - London Millie Jackson - 1978 - Brighton Grover Washington - 1978 or 79 - Brighton Hall & Oates - 1979 - Brighton Squeeze - 1979 - Brighton Dire Straits - 1979 - Brighton The Who - 1979 - Brighton The Crusaders - 1981 - London BB King - 1981 - London Stray Cats - 1981 - London Toots & the Maytells - 1981 - London The Persuasions - 1981 - NYC Miles Davis - 1981 - NYC Rickie Lee Jones - 1982 - NYC BB King - 1982 - NYC Teddy Wilson - 1982 - NYC Stray Cats - 1982 - NYC Les Paul - 1982 - NYC Flock of Seagulls - 1982 - NYC Stephane Grapelli - 1982 - NYC Doobie Brothers - 1982 - NYC Roy Buchanan - 1983 - NYC Phoebe Snow - 1983 - NYC English Beat - 1983 - NYC Van Morrison - 1985 - San Francisco Simply Red - 1987 - San Francisco Rickie Lee Jones - 1990 - Santa Barbara The Band - 1993 or 94 - Los Angeles Eric Clapton - 1994 - Los Angeles Pearl Jam / The Ramones - 1995 or 96 - San Diego In the late 80's I got tired of dealing with assholes and fucked up druggies to want to go to concerts any more. Though I've made an exception for band or artists I really like. |
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agnostic front slayer circle jerks DI DRI Sick of it All Bio-Hazard Pennywise Social Distortion Hole Green Day Blink 182 Kiss-mahahaa!!! Lionel Ritchie - hahaha C'Mon i was a kid! Mettalica Iron Maiden Motorhead Dire Straits Paul McCartney Foo Fighters GodSmack Soul Fly Kotton Mouth Kings Disturbed Misfits without Danzig Danzig H.R. from Bad Brains 5 finger death punch System of a Down Dave Mathews Linkin Park Foreigner 4 Joan Jett Ted Nugent Primus Rancid Dance Hall Crashers Drop Kick Murphys Agent Orange MDC Murphys Law Unwritten Law Angry Samoans The Dicks The Dickies JFA Gang Green Government Issue Verbal Abuse Anthrax Rule of Thumb Ill Repute just to name a few i would have to add to this over time to even come close to all of them. |