And is born again as a pheasant on a game farm

Putting spiders outside? You barbarians! And you call yourselves as nature lovers or something.

I let them be, unless they are in very obvious place. Although one happy couple died to hunger, so maybe I should also host some insects for them. Though, some chick might have different opinion about having spider webs in the house.

Although I have no trouble killing animals, going hunting this weekend. I am that much naturalist that I know that killing is totally naturally and I accept me being predator. I really am some sort of "hobby" naturalist.

What people do not realize is that trophy hunters spend A LOT of money for these hunts, thousands and thousands of dollars, which help fund these massive game preserves that keep these incredible animals relatively safe and managed.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but their money does help keep these species managed and alive in the long run.

Beyond all the morality and/or debates, whether culling or conservation, I wonder where shooting an unarmed animal, unable to defend itself, becomes "sport", becomes enjoyable?

Sure, there's the mythic (not mythical) pleasure of the hunt - but a lot of fishing involves returning the catch to the water.

"The hunt" in the wild can be carried out with a camera, bringing back great footage and images. The pleasure factor can be in both stalking and "capturing".

I get off on that moment of creating or "capturing" the final product in work, whether writing something good and knowing it from a positive reaction, putting out a final webpage and knowing it works, or the foot-stomping head-bopping I'll see during a satisfying harmonica solo...

But these kinds of sport "hunters" are managed, accompanied by a coterie of minders and guides and back-up shooters - there's no "hunt". These are no Toddy Roosevelt-shooting-a-charging-rhino-or-lion adventure.

And there's no food. Just trophies - a head, antlers, tusks, whatever - souvenirs like sociopathic serial killers keep.

So, I always wonder, is it that moment when they squeeze the trigger or release the arrow, sniper-style, and down the animal, completely unaware it has an "opponent", that gives them the 'gasm? The killing?

If that's it I have nothing to relate with the experience - it's beyond my understanding.

I used to just shrug off these safari kills as the needs of the super powerful and super rich being reached due to the fact they had everything they could buy or acquire, and it was one bigger, better "kick" they hadn't achieved. Maybe it's in all of us, and we'd do it if we reached a certain level of power, influence and money.

But, nah. Not everyone of these "hunters" are like that.

Is it a vestige of the "hunter" in our hunter/gatherer ancestry still in the genes?

Is it really just the kill?

It's supposedly a statistical fact most budding serial killers catch, torture or kill, animals. But many who do those things don't end up serial killers.

Maybe we're all better off letting potential psychos shoot the occasional giraffe or lion? These aren't squirrels, dogs or cats... this is "Big Game". What's the logical progression there?

Just idle thinking...

:D

Was watching a documentary some years back where they said that hunters who torture an animal are statistically far more likely to go on to murder a fellow human.

You get catching fishes, but not other prey? Also, the catch and release has mostly to do with sustainable fishing, more than ethical thing. For example pike angler catching bait fish, killing it, putting it as a bait, getting pike and releasing it, isn't actually because of avoidance of killing. At least you kill some maggots, worm, bait fish, etc, if using natural bait.

And what's that shit about unarmed animal? Show me even one predator (specie) that want's to be killed or injured while hunting? If you have watched even some nature documentaries you know that predators go for the weakest and easiest pray. That is probably why you hunt mostly at the supermarket; easiest and safest.

Same goes with war, some guys seem to have unbelievable views about "fair fight". Well, good if you want to die, otherwise not so good. Using some common sense you will get why fair play is shit.

What a horrible fucking cunt she is. If I was anywhere near her I would give her so much shit. What kind of big shot does she think she is now that she's killed a Giraffe? Does she think she deserves a trophy? Is she bragging to her cunt friends? Did she do this to make her cock hard? Does her pussy ass husband love her more? (I bet he's a scared little pussy). Un fucking real. She probably thinks she's some kind of great sportsman now too. "Wow Hey look at me, I'm tough! I worked hard and outsmarted a Giraffe! I'm cool!".

Incredible fucking whore.

Her facebook link is posted, seems she is hunting in her own backyard, she's from South Africa.

Aren't Giraffe populations completely fine, as in not even close to being in danger?
What's so heinous about this chick killing one?

Besides the easily accessible picture putting it in your face that people kill random shit just because.

Go look up how many sharks are killed a year and get all upset about the companies and cultures that drive demand for their killing.

What I'm saying is, fuck Giraffes. Save the Sharks.

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with conservation.

if it is disgusting, then do you eat meat from farms where the animals are killed in really painless conditions and - generally speaking- they are treated like living and feeling beings from the beginning ? :-)

wow, did you save that argument from your grade 9 debate team?

nobody gives a shit about bugs, especially the parasitic ones, and neither do you. Blow your horn at something else--maybe some bacteria.

I asked basically the same thing and got no response.

Even if they are only eating vegetables they are still killing and consuming living things.

If it is their true concern not to kill or consume living things they will perish soon and become mute in the debate.

Me ?
Yes, because i'm human and because humans are able to control the nature, they set their laws. If i was an insect, humans would just be a source of food for me.
So we, humans, can do what we want with the nature and if you are an animal in our world your life is valuable if:
- you are cute
- if you are a part of our idealized world
- if science explains that you are important.

What is a parasite for you is perhaps good for everything else...

Let's not talk about parasites. Statistically you have parasites or I have (western standards). I prefer that you would have them, no offence. :)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/symbiote

see also...

I was talking about brain fucking parasites, almost literally. If you imagine some science fiction brain worms, stop imagining, either one of us have those.



EDIT: Sorry typos, pretty drunk.

I'm totally against hunting for fun but isn't there a lot of double standards here? Isn't the outrage even more because the hunter a woman?

Yeah, unless you do it (hunting) with agony in your face, it's totally wrong. That's why I also have so sour face when eating, as it's sin or something like that to enjoy eating other living things (some still alive).

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh - I guess she could not take the heat.

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I've always admired the giraffe's super long eyelashes and long curling tongue. If humans had such tongues there would be no war. ;)
She is fairly disgusting.

a giraffe killing couple ...where's the glory in killing a giraffe?
what people won't do for a little FB fame? ...fakin' assholes!

I eat meat so I don't want to be a hypocrite,but trophy hunting is cruel

Killing for fun is bad.

I've done the same thing ever since a few years ago when I sprayed one on the kitchen floor and a hundred babies came scrambling instantly out of it, only to meet their doom in the overspray. Their lives each lasted less than one excruciating second. I felt horrible.

...and those stats are almost always misunderstood.

a murderer is more likely to have tortured an animal, than hasn't tortured an animal.

people who have tortured an animal aren't suddenly liable to become murderers - all this stat means is that murderers are more likely to have tortured an animal than haven't. It's a standalone statistic.

It's like that dumb child abuse stat, where most child abusers were abused as a child. This then gets misinterpreted that most victims of child abuse are likely to become child abusers, when that's far from the case. Most likely leads to a fair few child abuse victims never coming forward, for fear that this widely misinterpreted 'fact' will be cast over them.

Anyway... that woman is probably very tall, and a normal fur coat just won't cut it. Not to mention what's already been said... her $xx,xxx contributes to healthy giraffes being preserved.

to play devil's advocate...

some people do give a shit about bugs, and to them *your* behaviour is abhorrent. You don't see the big deal (nor do I actually), but who are you (or I) to then say to someone else 'yes, but *that* particular species *I* like, so you shouldn't do that'?

:upsidedow

If you're going to go to that level of 'living things', maybe you should consider your desk, brickwork, slate roof, cotton shirt, and so on. Comparing an animal to a carrot is kind of a stretch.

exactly. Everything has a place/role in the overall ecosystem of the planet. I still squish them though if it isn't too much of an effort.

:1orglaugh

I'm okay with things being shot if someone eats the fucker but if shooting shit just for sport/souvenir not a fan.

yeah doesn't seem like a challenge, kinda hard to hide

yes that's kind of lame

After seeing about 100 human beheading photos, that's kid's stuff.

Sad, but there's a lot worse going on worth giving attention to.

Hunting for sport is not the same thing. :2 cents:

Many people have a higher regard to their pets than any human.animals are intriguing,they don't carry Uzis

Well said.

I wondered when someone would post that :1orglaugh

You do realise it is a cull. People pay to shoot the same animals that are due to be destroyed on game reserves by employees.

No it isn't. Both are living organisms. And at least I don't have any misconceptions about us using hides, wood, etc.

"In biology, an organism is any contiguous living system, such as a vertebrate, insect, plant or bacterium. All known types of organism are capable of some degree of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development and self-regulation (homeostasis)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism