if it is disgusting, then do you eat meat from farms where the animals are killed in really painless conditions and - generally speaking- they are treated like living and feeling beings from the beginning ? :-)

wow, did you save that argument from your grade 9 debate team?

nobody gives a shit about bugs, especially the parasitic ones, and neither do you. Blow your horn at something else--maybe some bacteria.

I asked basically the same thing and got no response.

Even if they are only eating vegetables they are still killing and consuming living things.

If it is their true concern not to kill or consume living things they will perish soon and become mute in the debate.

Me ?
Yes, because i'm human and because humans are able to control the nature, they set their laws. If i was an insect, humans would just be a source of food for me.
So we, humans, can do what we want with the nature and if you are an animal in our world your life is valuable if:
- you are cute
- if you are a part of our idealized world
- if science explains that you are important.

What is a parasite for you is perhaps good for everything else...

Let's not talk about parasites. Statistically you have parasites or I have (western standards). I prefer that you would have them, no offence. :)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/symbiote

see also...

I was talking about brain fucking parasites, almost literally. If you imagine some science fiction brain worms, stop imagining, either one of us have those.



EDIT: Sorry typos, pretty drunk.

I'm totally against hunting for fun but isn't there a lot of double standards here? Isn't the outrage even more because the hunter a woman?

Yeah, unless you do it (hunting) with agony in your face, it's totally wrong. That's why I also have so sour face when eating, as it's sin or something like that to enjoy eating other living things (some still alive).

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh - I guess she could not take the heat.

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I've always admired the giraffe's super long eyelashes and long curling tongue. If humans had such tongues there would be no war. ;)
She is fairly disgusting.

a giraffe killing couple ...where's the glory in killing a giraffe?
what people won't do for a little FB fame? ...fakin' assholes!

I eat meat so I don't want to be a hypocrite,but trophy hunting is cruel

Killing for fun is bad.

I've done the same thing ever since a few years ago when I sprayed one on the kitchen floor and a hundred babies came scrambling instantly out of it, only to meet their doom in the overspray. Their lives each lasted less than one excruciating second. I felt horrible.

...and those stats are almost always misunderstood.

a murderer is more likely to have tortured an animal, than hasn't tortured an animal.

people who have tortured an animal aren't suddenly liable to become murderers - all this stat means is that murderers are more likely to have tortured an animal than haven't. It's a standalone statistic.

It's like that dumb child abuse stat, where most child abusers were abused as a child. This then gets misinterpreted that most victims of child abuse are likely to become child abusers, when that's far from the case. Most likely leads to a fair few child abuse victims never coming forward, for fear that this widely misinterpreted 'fact' will be cast over them.

Anyway... that woman is probably very tall, and a normal fur coat just won't cut it. Not to mention what's already been said... her $xx,xxx contributes to healthy giraffes being preserved.

to play devil's advocate...

some people do give a shit about bugs, and to them *your* behaviour is abhorrent. You don't see the big deal (nor do I actually), but who are you (or I) to then say to someone else 'yes, but *that* particular species *I* like, so you shouldn't do that'?

:upsidedow

If you're going to go to that level of 'living things', maybe you should consider your desk, brickwork, slate roof, cotton shirt, and so on. Comparing an animal to a carrot is kind of a stretch.

exactly. Everything has a place/role in the overall ecosystem of the planet. I still squish them though if it isn't too much of an effort.

:1orglaugh

I'm okay with things being shot if someone eats the fucker but if shooting shit just for sport/souvenir not a fan.

yeah doesn't seem like a challenge, kinda hard to hide

yes that's kind of lame

After seeing about 100 human beheading photos, that's kid's stuff.

Sad, but there's a lot worse going on worth giving attention to.

Hunting for sport is not the same thing. :2 cents:

Many people have a higher regard to their pets than any human.animals are intriguing,they don't carry Uzis

Well said.

I wondered when someone would post that :1orglaugh

You do realise it is a cull. People pay to shoot the same animals that are due to be destroyed on game reserves by employees.

No it isn't. Both are living organisms. And at least I don't have any misconceptions about us using hides, wood, etc.

"In biology, an organism is any contiguous living system, such as a vertebrate, insect, plant or bacterium. All known types of organism are capable of some degree of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development and self-regulation (homeostasis)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism

What's exactly the bad thing in hunting for sport? Whatever that means in your definition. Let's open up that a bit.

To form some sort of a base line, all animal activists think that animals should be able to fulfill their natural, often specie characterized needs, like chickens should have opportunity to forage, pigs roam in the mud, foxes to make holes, etc. Mostly applies to domesticated animals as wild animals are free to do what they want. It also applies to humans as we don't control just domesticated animals, we also put restrictions on another humans and their behaviour.

If it's not clear enough, humans are predators. Although today it's mostly scavenging, but nevertheless, we are still predators.

"Scavenging is both a carnivorous and a herbivorous feeding behavior in which the scavenger feeds on dead animal and plant material present in its habitat (aka in supermarket)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scavenger

Hunting in Africa is ok. 1 animal at a time...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Like I said... you have to stretch. Let me put it this way, spot the odd one out:

lion
tiger
shark
carrot

to compare a vegetable to an animal is fucking ludicrous in the context of this thread. I thought I was an argumentative cunt, but you take it to new levels :winkwink:

No, there is no need to "stretch". Carrot is not of course animal, as it's plant, but the thread subject has more to do with killing than about fauna. You can kill carrots too, as those are living things. Does it have to be about just killing animals?

Here is a list from things those you can kill.

"
Non-cellular life (viruses)[note 1]
Cellular life
-Bacteria
-Archaea
-Eukarya
--Protista
--Fungi
--Plantae
--Animalia"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

Good killing to you too.

I would love to hunt with a camera only 1 animal I would like to hunt with a gun, and that is a boar not to just kill him but to eat him up.. If I ever do hunt it will be with camera and if I ever do hunt to kill which I have not killed anything in my life it would be only for food. No deer nothing like that. *shrugs*

Why boar, but not deer?

At least one career choice is excluded from you.

http://www.salmonguy.org/wp-content/...ng-herring.jpg

Even worse then. She paid to shoot an animal that was already near the end of its life, calls it "sport", and poses with it like its a trophy. She probably high-fived herself too.

I think what he's saying is that the giraffe was near the end of it's life not necessarily because it was old or sick but because the park employees would of shot it (or a different one) had she not.

This helps keep animals alive and away form extinction, I approve this hunt ;) nor do I really give a fuck.

Well, my whole point was to question *beyond* the ethics and morality. Even if you don't catch & release, the way a photog or researcher "catches" their "prey", you catch & bake. Your purpose, your satisfaction, is beyond is beyond the kill. But these lion & rhino & giraffe hunters, what is their satisfaction? There's no way you're culling with lions and other endangered species, and culling giraffes occurs in zoos and other closed environments for breeding and biodiversity reasons. Not in free-range wildlife environments. Which is why a very limited number of permits are issued, usually to drum up financing...

But as I said beyond all that functional, logistical, ethical and moral stuff - what makes someone like this woman want to perch and wait, line-up and target, and finally shoot dead any animal? Where's the pleasure?

Well I know what you mean about the "unarmed animal" thing. But those nature docs and stuff, reality and the natural order, are completely different than nice, clean, sanitized shooting-gallery killings of animals in their environment.

Nature kills to survive, renew itself, persevere. What do "hunters" kill for nowadays, when it's not for meat? The lioness doesn't get off on the kill of the zebra, she is satisfied with the day's food for her and her pride...

As I wrote, or questioned, is it maybe a vestige of our "hunter" gene being expressed when the people like the huntress of giraffes kills? I certainly wouldn't get off on lining up an animal in my scope and blowing a hole in its heart to watch it fall twitching and bleed out and die.

And you're right, as an omnivore, I like meat and prefer the (apparently and let's just say for the sake of argument) more "humane" variety I get at the butcher shop...

Heh the "fair fight" honorable warrior thing is probably all myth, good for ancient legends and modern comic books.

I'm sure the majority of soldiers fight to defend, to achieve strategic goals, and so on... but then there are those guys who go rogue, kill anyone, collect ears, fingers, even skulls, and take pictures pissing on corpses... "souvenirs" or trophies if you will.

Like I said, no ethics or morals questions here, I just want to know what makes someone want to kill, easily without challenge or real "need", whatever it is that is proferred as target.

And it looks to me that the "fun" and jizz is in the killing...

:D

Okay, the first thing: we are still predators, although it's mostly like scavenging these days, but same is for some other predators, like bears, but for different reasons. We are predators, that thing hasn't changed, as it would anyways take a shitload of time to change.

So, about these "pen hunts". You don't seem to be from USA, but those pen hunts have all the same characteristics as many things in US take-away culture: fast, easy and convenient. In some document that had tad annoying host (might actually be Canadian dude, he had French name, but English speaker).. well, so he interviewed "pen hunt" keeper aka rancher. He said that when he was young, he was lucky if he got one antelope or similar during one hunting season. But when tourists come to Africa, they want 3-6 different animals in 3 days. So how you do that? Answer is "pen hunting". Fast, easy and convenient. Although not my kind of thing, but I am from different culture, etc. But as there is not really nothing wrong in that, so whatever, let them "pen hunt".

This same phenomenon is quite common in fishing, sports, etc. Things that normally require much skills, time to learn those skills and time to do it, are made fast, easy, convenient and accessible to everyone. But of course compromises have to be made and the end result is usually quite "shallow".

Dont wanna discuss stats here, but can anyone tell me whats so addictive in hunting killing animals? what are these people thinking or feeling when shooting down living things?

No. They carry fangs, big sharp ones, and I can show you a hundred photos of animals using those on humans ;)

I don't know about "hunting killing animals", but what comes to hunting and fishing (they are not that different), we humans are predators who want to have prey. Simple as that. I am going hunting today and I am going to think having prey (I already think it) and that is the thing what I think when squeezing trigger, although I am more focused to getting prey than thinking about it. Today it will be short session (about 2-3 hours), but I will have plenty of time to think all kind of things because even in the best scenario, the shooting part will be less than one minute, probably under 15 seconds if I even get anything.

If you have fished sometimes, you can try to remember what you have thinked. Or if you are so eager to know it and you haven't even fished, go fishing. Or if you want to experience killing per se, buy some carrots and eat those.

If you check her other FB photos it looks like her husband shot one a few years ago as well

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...eb9784431da547

http://www.jjsafaris.com/

http://www.jjsafaris.com/hunting-prices.php

Only $2300 for a Giraffe