You don't get it and I'm not surprised. Anyhow signing off for the night. Have a good night.

Here in the U.S.:

"FBI statistics showing more than 1,500,000 members of recognized gangs across the nation and something like 33,000 recognized gangs in the FBI's stats
Gang activity is responsible for at least 48% of criminal and violent activity"

I don't think that street gangs really give a shit about Democrat Party gun laws. Matter of fact they seem to thrive in places run by Democrats and with the toughest gun laws...like Detroit and Michigan.

What don't I get, you were saying an 80 year old has no business having a gun, I showed you that personal experience is that you are wrong, good night!

Ok, so you want to put Claymore's in the gardens to protect the old ladies then, is that it, because you aren't making any sense to the discussion other than that!

in other words, where did we start talking about army shit? Gawd what a fucking moron! LOL

Plain and simple, if you think all Americans are carrying guns and will murder you, then stay out of the US and when I visit your country, I won't carry a gun.

But don't say 80 is too old to shoot a gun, when you don't know jack shit about it!

I did start talking about "army shit" in my last message. You know, the enemy is out there and armies have usually the best practices to deal with it. You don't want to be left unprotected, so remember to cover the flanks and rear too.

Woop Yeah! Kill the mentally ill!

KILL THEM ALL

I think that's yours fear.

Guns dont fix stuff like this... if she had been holding a 12 inch iron skillet in one hand and a butcher knife in the other and saw him coming it may or may not have saved her as well.

What if HE had had a gun? Might be an entirely different story of MASS murder like what happens here in US schools every year.

You cant control insanity... you cant see it coming... All you can do is bitch about it after it happens... and if your religious say a prayer for the victims...

Great.... Don't you think if we made it more difficult for people to get firearms, it would be more difficult for gangs to get them?

We hand out firearms to anyone who wants them. I mean, the same people who loose their car keys every other month are the same people who own firearms. At the very least you should have to take a "stupid test" to make sure you won't be leaving your firearms in the center console of your unlocked car, or perhaps we should have a law about accountability - if your firearm gets stolen and is used in a violent crime, you go to prison for a year.

Fuck it. Just arm everyone and let stupidity run it's course.

They wont talk about a suspect in the UK because it's against the law to do so. They have what I like to refer to as a "No Nancy Graces law". You may not speculate about the accused in the media or you are in violation of the law.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Pot? I'd like you to meet someone...

If she only had an ak47 for home defense! She could have killed her attacker and maybe a few innocent people.

I don't go into threads for the sole purpose of attacking one person, when people start being assholes to me, I let them know it, that's the difference. Sorry if you mental challenge prevents you from seeing that!

Yes, my comments were defintely from a witness/bystander frame of view. I wasn't nor would I suggest that a little old granny be packing heat while out in the garden ready to take down some snot-dripping tongue-slathering psycho hell bent on taking her head off pull out her glock 45 and put two in his chest and one between his eyes.


But damn that would have been cool. :D

1. I was born in Edmonton :)

2. Went to secondary school about a mile from where this happened

3. I was in the marines. or smth.

4. lofl at if she was armed etc. if she was armed, he woulda been carrying too, and a mentally ill person blows away 2 or 3 people minimum, before getting shot. But 'at least he couldn't have shot 25!' or whatever the fuck argument would've come out.

too funny. I realise it's a chicken & egg argument for the US, and really do see both sides - the box was opened long long ago. But suggesting the reason this old lady died is because our gun laws are too strict is laughable.

(sorry Aaron, this is one of those 5% times!)

The USA had 14,173 homicides last year, the UK had 653, Australia had 295.

The USA has no gun control, the UK and Australia do.

Do the math.

They are fucking idiots. Comments on this or any other forum won't change that fact.

Keep in mind that the USA has 313.9 million people. Australia has 22.68 million people. The UK has 62 million people.

So yeah, it looks like gun control HELPS. But since the FBI says that almost 50% of all gun deaths are gang related in the U.S., gun control would not deter those people.

Guns aren't the problem for the U.S.
Economic injustice that creates young blacks with no hope is the problem.
The violence is just a symptom.

Ok the US murder rate is 4.7 , the UK murder rate is 1.0 and Australia is 1.1.

There are poor people and gangs in the UK and Australia too.

Melbourne has a huge gang problem - a ten year gangland war that claimed dozens.

Yet with all that, the USA still manages to have a significantly higher murder rate.

Then when you look at gun related Homicides as a percentage the figures are staggering

In the USA you are 72 times more likely to be killed by a gun than in the UK and 109 times more likely to be killed by a gun than in Australia if you are a homicide victim.

I'm gonna guess that the majority of your gun deaths are probably from Melbourne.

Now factor in cities in the U.S. like Chicago and Detroit. They have some of the toughest gun laws...and are swimming in gang related death.

"72 times more likely to be killed by a gun"...yeah, if you're a young black guy living in Chicago in a bad neighborhood.

As for me personally? My odds are the same as yours.
The U.S. is a safe place to be for normal people not involved in crime or living in a neighborhood eaten up with it.

I've never personally witnessed guns used by criminals in my entire life. And I've lived in Miami, Atlanta, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, and Las Vegas. I've played in bands all over the U.S. (even in Detroit) and never ever witnessed a gun being used by anyone.

Of course...I wasn't hanging in the gang-controlled areas of Detroit. I was playing at white-boy rock clubs in Michigan.

It's all according to where you are. I'm sitting here in my home in Vegas probably safer than 99 percent of the people in the world.
Are there some bad parts of town where I wouldn't be as "safe"? Yeah, I guess.

But I'm not dumb enough to go to those parts of town fucked up out of my mind and start some shit. lol

"In sum, though many nations with widespread gun ownership
have much lower murder rates than nations that severely restrict
gun ownership, it would be simplistic to assume that at all times
and in all places widespread gun ownership depresses violence by
deterring many criminals into nonconfrontation crime. There is
evidence that it does so in the United States, where defensive gun
ownership is a substantial socio‐cultural phenomenon. But the
more plausible explanation for many nations having widespread
gun ownership with low violence is that these nations never had
high murder and violence rates and so never had occasion to enact
severe anti‐gun laws."


http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

Detroit has gone economically downhill for long time. That is more probable cause for having social problems than strict gun laws. And Chicago, the home for RIP Al Capone, probably isn't that different.

It continues, but the cause for social problems isn't guns or the lack of guns. You can merely shoot some away or something like that.

"On the other hand, in nations that have ex‐
perienced high and rising violent crime rates, the legislative reac‐
tion has generally been to enact increasingly severe antigun laws.
This is futile, for reducing gun ownership by the law‐abiding citi‐
zenry—the only ones who obey gun laws—does not reduce vio‐
lence or murder. The result is that high crime nations that ban guns
to reduce crime end up having both high crime and stringent gun
laws, while it appears that low crime nations that do not signifi‐
cantly restrict guns continue to have low violence rates."

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

So arming pensioners, teachers, children. Would that give me a spine.

Hows the job going ?:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So when you have an uneducated no hope underclass of desperate people, would it not be better if they were not armed to the teeth ?

Then they all say well the problem is too big - so lets get more guns out there !

It would be funny if it were not so tragic.

the guy is a complete idiot.

Absolutely.

But my point was that they ARE "armed to the teeth". And most big cities in the U.S. have very, very strict gun laws.

And the only people who obey those laws are law abiding citizens. Gangs and criminals do NOT obey them.

I believe we need to address society's problems. The "drug war" in the U.S. has created this just as surely as the "alcohol war" (Prohibition) did in the 1920's.

Laws restricting people from enjoying life simply create huge amounts of crime. People proved that they WILL break the law and drink no matter what the govt. says. And they've proven it again with drugs.

If there was no "war on drugs" (thank you Richard Nixon for your stupidity), then there wouldn't be violent street gangs based on all that money.
Those young inner city kids are born with almost no hope right out of the gate.

By the time they are teenagers they've already learned that even IF they could find a "real" job, they can make 100 times that selling drugs.