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TDF · 03-11-2003, 01:02 AM

now with that being said I am sick and fuckin tired of hearing models come to me with their horror stories. Now I admit, some of these women arent the brightest flashlight in the shed but I encourage every one of them to throughly check out a photographer,look into past models and content shot, and use god given common sense into these things. Dont fall for the old 'test shoot' lines or get mad because he wants to end up fuckin you after the shoot. Laides please set down your groundrules BEFORE you go to the shoot because there is nothing like seeing an unhappy naked woman on camera..(it shows if she doesnt wanna be there)

and last but not least, ladies...stop falling for the Yahoo group shit. Just bcase a photographer has a popular group does not mean he is anywhere close to finshing his photo classes at the local JC..

thank you

Sly_RJ · 03-11-2003, 01:04 AM

Ok, I'll remember that next time I'm at a test shoot. Thanks honey!

Rochard · 03-11-2003, 01:08 AM

This is all too true. I could tell similar stories of girls taking off their clothes for pictures - and never getting a dime.

And of course.... This also applies to people on GFY that call themselves photographers. A photographer does not put a camera on a tripod and take four dozen pictures. Duh.

quiet · 03-11-2003, 01:10 AM

wtf are you talking about? look at this beauty:

TDF · 03-11-2003, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
wtf are you talking about? look at this beauty:

guess your no lensman eh?

nocostporn · 03-11-2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by RocHard
This is all too true. I could tell similar stories of girls taking off their clothes for pictures - and never getting a dime.

And of course.... This also applies to people on GFY that call themselves photographers. A photographer does not put a camera on a tripod and take four dozen pictures. Duh.

so what would they be?... I know a few "webmasters" with a couple mil in the bank who don't know a lick of html...what do I call them?

quiet · 03-11-2003, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

guess your no lensman eh?

i thought someone could discern it - Legend, Bob Marley CD in that pic

Matt 26z · 03-11-2003, 01:24 AM

I think the biggest problem is "pro" photographers who shoot bad content. It's all over the internet. And I'm not talking about the models.

Bad location settings. Bad lighting. Bad angles. Poor photo quality. You name it. Sad thing is, you can see these things in many of the content providers.

In fact, some of the content providers that post here it would appear have bought a disposable camera and had the film developed at the one-hour photo.

I hardly ever see steller quality porn photos.

DeanCapture · 03-11-2003, 01:33 AM

....."everyone who picks up a camera is not a Photographer." -

Couldn't have said it better myself

Dean*

dig420 · 03-11-2003, 01:40 AM

yeah so what. I'll have fun learning on the job

DeanCapture · 03-11-2003, 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by dig420
yeah so what. I'll have fun learning on the job

d*

mrthumbs · 03-11-2003, 01:49 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

i thought someone could discern it - Legend, Bob Marley CD in that pic

and some cables

UnseenWorld · 03-11-2003, 02:03 AM

I have actually put up a site for nude models in Portland, OR (where I work). Here it is: http://www.modelspdx.com

It gives models (especially newbies) good advice for staying out of trouble and not seeming like an idiot when they work with photographers. Here is what I say there about test shoots:

(begin quote)

One area where photographers may try to scam models and yet it may also be legit is in the area of the "test shoot." The purpose of a test shoot should be to see how you look in photos (this "photogenic" thing is real!). However, a test shoot should be just that, a few shots, not two or three unpaid hours of your time. Test shoots are typically unpaid and while the thought of posing for free may make you uneasy or even angry, it's the way a lot of photographers operate. We would suggest limiting a test shoot to no more than 10 or 15 minutes and no more than 36 or so shots (one roll of film).

Aside from assessing how you look in photos, another reason for a test shoot may be that the photographer wants to see how well you follow directions, whether you can self-direct (a big plus in a model), whether you have any sensitivities (not liking to display yourself in certain ways, or not liking to show certain parts of the body, etc.). He may decide not to work with you after the test shoot, just as you can decide not to work with him anytime you like.

One last reason for a test shoot is to get some basic shots to sell you to the photographer's clients. Obviously, this could benefit you.

If you are doing a supposed "test shoot," it isn't unreasonable to ask the photographer to add a "no commercial use" clause to the release, or to ask him why he needs a release at all, since the purpose of the release is to give the photographer permission to publish the photos! A line something like "The result of this session will not be sold for commercial gain" could be added by hand at the bottom of the release form but above the signature line. Be sure that both you and the photographer initial this change, or the change may be worthless.

Is the photographer scamming you or not? Well, people are surprisingly consistent. Ask to talk to some of his other models. If they have never felt screwed over, you probably won't be screwed over, either. If he's hesitant to supply references, be careful.

(end quote)

We currently are plagued in Portland with assholes who finish up supposed stills shoots with offers for the girls to do "point of view" (where the cameraman gets sex, usually a BJ, while holding the camera on the girl). These guys invariably get reputations with the experienced girls as sleazes, but there are always new girls coming into the field. I think if a guy intends to try to get a girl to do hardcore, she should know that going in, not find out at the end of a stills shoot. I won't list photographers in the aforementioned site who do "participatory" hardcore unless they mention it in their listing. If he's soliciting models for blow jobs, the girls should know that going in.

As to the quality of photos being offered by the various vendors, I frequently run into people who don't understand that "quality" for the webmaster is measured by how well the work functions in terms of garnering and retaining members, how it fits in with the site's style, and so on. Many people are mesmerized by a style they personally like, or which may involve technical difficulty or expensive gear, or trips to exotic locations, and this is their standard. Well, they are entitled to like what they like, but as a business standard, it's nuts.

I know what I like (and it's not Playboy or Penthouse style, FYI), and for myself I measure what I see against what I like, but I also realize that what I like and what I make will not work for every site out there.

The only rational standard is one known to any businessmen: "if it works to maximize profits, it works." Photography suitable for a "babe" site simply isn't appropriate for a "reality" site.

Va2k · 03-11-2003, 05:09 AM

I'm sorry Im trying

TDF · 03-11-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by va2k
I'm sorry Im trying

is a difference between trying and trying to get laid and cancelling a shoot because the model wont give you head

Va2k · 03-11-2003, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

is a difference between trying and trying to get laid and cancelling a shoot because the model wont give you head

I'm just playing Though I wouldnt even call me a amateur yet I am getting better every shoot, I do hire women to do shoots with me and I am the star or if the stunt cock don't show up. BUT I tell them upfront before any deals are made.

TOM

IndiaWebb · 03-11-2003, 07:04 AM

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Another common scam area is where you are offered a royalty rather than an up-front fee. It's hard to assess these offers, whereas if you get paid up front and (figuratively) kiss the photographer good-bye, at least you have real money in your pocket. Suffice it to say that most of the time, royalty payments don't work out well for the model, and the photographer is the one holding the books. Unless there is some independent way of determining what the photos are making for you, and unless you want to be obliged to stay in touch with the photographer long-term (or as long as the term of the agreement is), and unless you are confident you'll get paid what you're owed without having to ask for it in court, our advice is to get satisfactory up-front money,

More excellent advice from your site, UnseenWorld. Even photographers whose intent is honest are, in my opinion, a poor risk for royalties. There is no way of knowing whether these guys are going to make any money.

Hey Dean- kick-ass perspective shot. I like!

Indy

DeanCapture · 03-11-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by IndiaWebb
Hey Dean- kick-ass perspective shot. I like!

-Thanks a lot!

d*

UnseenWorld · 03-11-2003, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by IndiaWebb

More excellent advice from your site, UnseenWorld. Even photographers whose intent is honest are, in my opinion, a poor risk for royalties. There is no way of knowing whether these guys are going to make any money.

Hey Dean- kick-ass perspective shot. I like!

Indy

I know a photographer who makes future-money offers to models, and he tries. He's not conning or scamming them because his intentions are good. But at the same time, I don't know of any girls who are raking in much dough from these activities, either.

tony286 · 03-11-2003, 10:57 AM

First off Dean, god you take amazing pics. Once I update up portfolio I would like your thoughts on it. Now back to the subject at hand. I see alot of content sites and your right they look like they were shot with a throw away camera. Also the web has given alot of slime a place to say they are a photographer. One model I have become friends with her and her hubby. Told me about this photographer who wanted to shoot Penthouse style pics and he told her if she wasnt wet enough he would help her and asked her if he would be relaxed after shoot. It makes it hard for honest guys to rise above the noise. Between those slime and the ones who tells models do a website with me and you will make 8000 a month right away. It can make my job very hard because I am honest which is sometimes a curse in our business lol.

DeanCapture · 03-11-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by tony404
First off Dean, god you take amazing pics.

Well thanks-a-lot man - that fugg'n made my day

Now, if I can only get Oliver Klozov to buy me a car like the one Lensman just bought - I'd be set'up like a mofo!!!

d*

models · 03-11-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by DeanCapture
....."everyone who picks up a camera is not a Photographer." -

Couldn't have said it better myself

Dean*

you got that right

03-11-2003, 01:02 AM	#1
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	ppst..everyone who picks up a camera is not a Photographer now with that being said I am sick and fuckin tired of hearing models come to me with their horror stories. Now I admit, some of these women arent the brightest flashlight in the shed but I encourage every one of them to throughly check out a photographer,look into past models and content shot, and use god given common sense into these things. Dont fall for the old 'test shoot' lines or get mad because he wants to end up fuckin you after the shoot. Laides please set down your groundrules BEFORE you go to the shoot because there is nothing like seeing an unhappy naked woman on camera..(it shows if she doesnt wanna be there) and last but not least, ladies...stop falling for the Yahoo group shit. Just bcase a photographer has a popular group does not mean he is anywhere close to finshing his photo classes at the local JC.. thank you __________________ Sig heil

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,056	This is all too true. I could tell similar stories of girls taking off their clothes for pictures - and never getting a dime. And of course.... This also applies to people on GFY that call themselves photographers. A photographer does not put a camera on a tripod and take four dozen pictures. Duh. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

03-11-2003, 01:33 AM	#9
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	....."everyone who picks up a camera is not a Photographer." - Couldn't have said it better myself Dean* __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com

03-11-2003, 02:03 AM	#13
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	I have actually put up a site for nude models in Portland, OR (where I work). Here it is: http://www.modelspdx.com It gives models (especially newbies) good advice for staying out of trouble and not seeming like an idiot when they work with photographers. Here is what I say there about test shoots: (begin quote) One area where photographers may try to scam models and yet it may also be legit is in the area of the "test shoot." The purpose of a test shoot should be to see how you look in photos (this "photogenic" thing is real!). However, a test shoot should be just that, a few shots, not two or three unpaid hours of your time. Test shoots are typically unpaid and while the thought of posing for free may make you uneasy or even angry, it's the way a lot of photographers operate. We would suggest limiting a test shoot to no more than 10 or 15 minutes and no more than 36 or so shots (one roll of film). Aside from assessing how you look in photos, another reason for a test shoot may be that the photographer wants to see how well you follow directions, whether you can self-direct (a big plus in a model), whether you have any sensitivities (not liking to display yourself in certain ways, or not liking to show certain parts of the body, etc.). He may decide not to work with you after the test shoot, just as you can decide not to work with him anytime you like. One last reason for a test shoot is to get some basic shots to sell you to the photographer's clients. Obviously, this could benefit you. If you are doing a supposed "test shoot," it isn't unreasonable to ask the photographer to add a "no commercial use" clause to the release, or to ask him why he needs a release at all, since the purpose of the release is to give the photographer permission to publish the photos! A line something like "The result of this session will not be sold for commercial gain" could be added by hand at the bottom of the release form but above the signature line. Be sure that both you and the photographer initial this change, or the change may be worthless. Is the photographer scamming you or not? Well, people are surprisingly consistent. Ask to talk to some of his other models. If they have never felt screwed over, you probably won't be screwed over, either. If he's hesitant to supply references, be careful. (end quote) We currently are plagued in Portland with assholes who finish up supposed stills shoots with offers for the girls to do "point of view" (where the cameraman gets sex, usually a BJ, while holding the camera on the girl). These guys invariably get reputations with the experienced girls as sleazes, but there are always new girls coming into the field. I think if a guy intends to try to get a girl to do hardcore, she should know that going in, not find out at the end of a stills shoot. I won't list photographers in the aforementioned site who do "participatory" hardcore unless they mention it in their listing. If he's soliciting models for blow jobs, the girls should know that going in. As to the quality of photos being offered by the various vendors, I frequently run into people who don't understand that "quality" for the webmaster is measured by how well the work functions in terms of garnering and retaining members, how it fits in with the site's style, and so on. Many people are mesmerized by a style they personally like, or which may involve technical difficulty or expensive gear, or trips to exotic locations, and this is their standard. Well, they are entitled to like what they like, but as a business standard, it's nuts. I know what I like (and it's not Playboy or Penthouse style, FYI), and for myself I measure what I see against what I like, but I also realize that what I like and what I make will not work for every site out there. The only rational standard is one known to any businessmen: "if it works to maximize profits, it works." Photography suitable for a "babe" site simply isn't appropriate for a "reality" site. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-11-2003, 01:10 AM	#4
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	wtf are you talking about? look at this beauty:

03-11-2003, 01:24 AM	#8
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	I think the biggest problem is "pro" photographers who shoot bad content. It's all over the internet. And I'm not talking about the models. Bad location settings. Bad lighting. Bad angles. Poor photo quality. You name it. Sad thing is, you can see these things in many of the content providers. In fact, some of the content providers that post here it would appear have bought a disposable camera and had the film developed at the one-hour photo. I hardly ever see steller quality porn photos.

03-11-2003, 01:40 AM	#10
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	yeah so what. I'll have fun learning on the job

03-11-2003, 05:09 AM	#14
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	I'm sorry Im trying __________________

03-11-2003, 10:57 AM	#20
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	First off Dean, god you take amazing pics. Once I update up portfolio I would like your thoughts on it. Now back to the subject at hand. I see alot of content sites and your right they look like they were shot with a throw away camera. Also the web has given alot of slime a place to say they are a photographer. One model I have become friends with her and her hubby. Told me about this photographer who wanted to shoot Penthouse style pics and he told her if she wasnt wet enough he would help her and asked her if he would be relaxed after shoot. It makes it hard for honest guys to rise above the noise. Between those slime and the ones who tells models do a website with me and you will make 8000 a month right away. It can make my job very hard because I am honest which is sometimes a curse in our business lol.