I have a hard time believing there is a government plot against e-cigs due to a decrease in cigarette tax.

that really makes no sense, what does make sense, is taxing e-cigs, which is exactly what is happening.

If anyone has any proof that the gov's solution to a decrease in tax revenue from ciggs leading to a government plot to villify ecigs, I'd certainly be interested.


Also, it's a fact that BO increased the federal tax on ciggarettes in 2009 precisely because an increase in the tax like that has been shown to DECREASE the # of cigarette smokers.

banning them from being used indoors.. do you guys all have reading comprehension problems or what? Get a grip.

No chemicals should be aloud within the workplace no less municipal buildings, even strong perfume is bad. Please don't pretend the chemicals in 'vaping' aren't harmful as well--That is such bullshit... Smells like fuckin burnt plastic, just because you can't smell it doesn't mean it's not there.

First you say it "Smell like fuckin burnt plastic" and then you say "you can't smell it"

:error

so perfume is ok, but vaping isn't?

I was shopping last week at sports authority, the guy behind the counter said I smelled delicious. I was vaping Vanillla Custard at the time. And Glen, you know I'm not a pretty man. Vaping is harmless, there's so little nicotine in spent vape, that a large cooked pizza emits more nicotine.

I'm all for banning them indoors, there's no reason for anyone to blow a cloud in a restaurant, just because they can. How hard is it to stealth vape, it's fairly easy. Hold it in, voila, no vapor. But it's the assholes who vape that will cause an issue for the rest of us.

the truly funny thing about all this..

Not the same amount :) Amount from coffee is not annoying.

We were in New York a couple of years ago at a strip club that Claudia Marie was featuring at.

It was early April and there was snow because it was still really cold.

The club had a small outside area at a backdoor. And almost the entire club and dancers would be outside freezing their asses off to have a smoke.

It wasn't even close...looked like 80% of the people there smoked. And yet, they were forced to go outside of the club in freezing weather to smoke a cigarette.
Totally ridiculous (especially to me living in Vegas where people are free to smoke).

And the entire reason for that is supposed to be to "protect" people who don't smoke from "second hand smoke". Okay fair enough.

But now? With e-cigs emitting water vapor? There are no carcinogens in it. And absolutely no reason for some people to be able to lord over other people.

And no reason for people to be forced out of a strip club into bitter cold weather to have a smoke.

The E-Cig doesn't pose the risks of tobacco. And yet, instead of being pleased about that...you see the true colors of people who push for "banning" shit.
It's all about control.

I'm all for letting people do anything they want as long as they do not come back in 10-20 years with BS lawsuits.

Think about it. Do you want to be in your 60's hooked up to a respirator, gasping for breath, dying from emphysema?

It's not a cool experience. Use your heads.
Most people's lungs can heal themselves if they just stop smoking.
I used to be a wake and bake all the way to toke and nod kind of smoker. Gave it up 3 years ago. Had to. Wife gave me an ultimatum.
Best thing to ever happen to..............my body.

You're a smart man, Robbie, a fellow southerner, just think about it.

Vaping is not smoking.

fitty things up in smoke, er vapour :Graucho

Vaping has no smoke in it to mess your lungs up.

A former employee of mine is also a "wake and bake" guy. He literally has to have pot first thing in the morning like a cup of coffee.

He had a minor heart attack and had to have some stints put in. He also has high blood pressure.
He told his doctor that he smokes pot. The doctor himself told him to switch to vaping it instead of smoking it.

And that's what he does.

I'm not saying you should start vaping. And I'm glad you stopped smoking.

But water vapor isn't going to cause people to have lung problems.

Looks like the govt.'s propaganda is already starting to take hold in people's minds.
But as I said earlier...I played in bands professionally starting in 1978. And for the first 2 decades I was playing every week, sometimes 7 nights a week. And we used fog machines HEAVILY.

There have never been any "studies" on what the fog fluid does to people. Why?
Because it's water vapor and that's pretty self-explanatory. Just like the E-Cig is.

Now, thinking back...we also used oil based fog fluid. But it would leave a film all over our gear that was slick and greasy. We decided to not use that anymore because it got all over my guitars and amps. But I guess it was also sticking to our lungs.

But the water based fluids? No problems.

And since I KNOW that from my own experience. And I know that every stage production and touring band in the world uses them too.

And since common sense tells me that water vapor is not dangerous...

Then I put all that together and come up with my thoughts on it. :)

American Heart Association Suports e Cigs for quitting smoking.

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...sociation.html

Oddly, we've had zero complaints from non-vaping co-workers in the lunchroom. And many of them are typically vociferous about anything.

IMO - the smell of coffee wafting across the room is usually far stronger than the slight smell of vaping. In fact, many e-juices give off almost no aroma...but rather dissipates quickly in the air.

I have been smoke-free for 3 months thanks to ecigs and i now jog every day, something i could not do as a smoker.

PG is in a lot of food/drink with the highest amount in beer and salad dressing, and hospitals use VG in their ventilation systems where patients and doctors breathe it in all day.

Obviously the government is trying to vilify the ecigs because they are losing millions through tax revenue and would rather have us on the analogs and being sick.