50 billion times I've gotten spot #50 on GFY.com since 2004. LOL.

We actually found that you can't unite the industry.

I actually remember initially starting some of the dialogue in 2005/2006. We saw the writing on the wall and the coming trend.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=760706

It is what it is now. Too late to go back. The laws are in favor of the sites that enjoy the safe harbor provisions and some of the other protections of the DMCA. If the government re-writes the DMCA it will change the playing field over night.

EDIT: From what I can remember the whole thing fell apart because no one wanted to put up any money to fund any of the operations that the movement was going to generate. Failure to commit.

:2 cents:

See that??? Another evil cam promotion effect.

It makes you waste the fiddy spot on an actual post.

If you promote cams you are doomed.

:Oh crap

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Hi Mutt,

Contact Epoch, CCBill, Netbilling, Segpay etc and they will be able to assist you. Doing a live cam site with your own account and one of these billers is more work, but the payoff is much higher.

These words he speaks are true.:thumbsup

NoWhere wasn't talking about doing your own cam site - he was talking about a white label and somehow as an affiliate doing the direct billing with your own CCBILL/EPOCH master account. How is this done? Somebody on my white label registers and buys 100 dollars of credits through MY CCBILL account? :helpme

Also curious about this

I haven't done whitelables, so I have one question. Why would the "double info problem" be present at the first place? I don't get it. The whole whitelabel is connected to the actual service provider, right? If it isn't seamlessly integrated, it is really fucked up design.

Cams make you impotent.

Sorry meant important.

You steal thousands of images for your site gossiptapes.com . What makes you any different? You're not even hotlinking them, just outright ripping them off.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Gopros via amazon sell like crazy. good luck

Friendly advice: Do Mainstream.

Mutt, contact CCBill and ask to get set up with a Streamate 1click upsell. You're leaving a LOT of money on the table by not having a 1click.

Your members can click a link in your members area, instantly get logged into YOUR cam whitelabel and start spending money using the original CC on file from your paysite.

This same setup is available on Streamate via almost 20 different processors/gateways.

Cams have been my main focus/majority of my adult income for quite a few years now.

Small cam ppl is good, because not saturated (who the hell do not know mfc or jasmin or steramate already?)... but, as long as the "small" at least got a dozen of cam girls 24/7, those smaller are unstable (will collapse), and if up, not impressing the viewer on landing.
About the PPL that's good as long as it's $2.50+, not $1's, and depends on countries too.

I can confirm we got some $100k a year whales; actually very few of these whales added or lost it can change our profits considerably, I mean like 5 members more or less :)

We did not provided whitelabels for branding and other reasons, that looked a little silly years ago and sure we missed lots of affiliates due to that, but now with the google paranoia about unique content, the alternative ways to use domain names are getting popular. For example iframing and even redirecting it seems not penalized... we see several affiliates doing fancy stuff with the domains but it is not correct to tell here their methods.

friendly advice do mainstream and forget about adult.

i was referring to my chaturbate and MFC PPL stats
dunno the reason. even now wich CB i get hundreds of regs and much fewer bought tokens.

Mainstream require order and discipline,while adult is pure anarchy ,so that is why it still have advantage over mainstream.

Exactly. But big sponsors like Brazzers or Nastydollars dont convert. You have to hunt for the special ones.

revshare in the end will always win for cams. sorry doing ppl is silly unless you are doing large media buys or something. you need patience, but that is the reason most affilaites give up on cams.

that you are trading people who will spend X amount per month for years for 2.50 is insane.

lolz :upsidedow

Depends by traffic source, some made of younger guys from stupid chat sites produce lots of free signups and no one sale and this is a loss for us (the cam program) and a win for the affiliate. In these cases we talk the affiliate and some time we say please do not send more, of course that's the proof the affiliate is getting better deal than revshare. Other traffic sources, especially 30+ or 40+ year olds sitting on cash and with pre-tube ideas, cause some spending guys and some whales and so yes, we're very happy to just pay some $3 each only for these kind of traffic, but that's rare.

did anyone follow?

Your post caused me to ramp up cams promotion a bit. For the last two years I've been focusing mainly on Dating. Ask me next month. :)

I got mine, you got yours?

even one guy can spend a lot in one month. and i know this one is far from being a whale
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30090330/cams.png

yea and the minute you drop stop sending traffic, they drop you down to 10% revshare that sponsor

The money was too easy. It is hard to blame them as they had already made it.

BTW that Saretah chick is annoying as heck.

What sponsor is that?

MrDeiz, tnx for the list.
Can you tell me which affiliate program is the best for the latin market?
I have a adult tube site and 90% of my visitors are spanish speaking people from all over thee world.