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MrDeiz 08-16-2014 08:23 AM

fiddy ruskie pussy-warriors running off from Ukraine

My one and only advice while dealing with ruskie: be tough from the first moment you meet. The bitches want to look big, they try to make such impression, but they are desperate pussies inside.

aka123 08-16-2014 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 20194450)
The rulers got others to fight for the land, but hatred of the foreigner was used to achieve that aim.

I don't think so. The soldiers got paid, it was their profession. Also, saying "no" wasn't really option if your king ordered to do something. Defending side on the other hand, fought for their lives, homes, families, property and freedom. And that side also had hired soldiers.

You understimate people if you think that just hatred of the foreigner gets people to fight wars. At least you need some threat scenario, just simply hating foreigner simply isn't enough. For example if the troops turnover is something like 100 % (not uncommon), you very soon come to conclusion that "I don't hate enemy so much after all, let's go home.", if the hating enemy is the sole reason to fight.

pornmasta 08-16-2014 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 20194433)
pootin is really scared by success of our troops.

That's doubtful
Also nationalism starts in the XIXth century

CAHEK 08-16-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20194444)
It's a war zone, not the block down the street. It took time to get very much information about the airliner that was shot down as well. Not like Russia or the Rebels are going to blast the media with pictures when they are denying it happened and it's not like journalist or the Ukrainians can just waltz into rebel controlled territory to snap some pictures to win an argument on the internet.

At this point I'd say Ukraine has much more credibility than Russia. Russia is the one that has lied every step of the way. Ukraine is not perfect, but at least they haven't been lying constantly about what they are doing.

" It took time to get very much information about the airliner that was shot down as well"

:1orglaugh

I think it took matter of minutes or hours to blame it on the Rebels or Russia by some media posts.

Its been almost 1 month since the crash and no one is talking. Are they hiding something ? Or maybe Ukraine shoot it down after all.

pornmasta 08-16-2014 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 20194917)

I think it took matter of minutes or hours to blame it on the Rebels or Russia by some media posts.

Its been almost 1 month since the crash and no one is talking. Are they hiding something ? Or maybe Ukraine shoot it down after all.

I agree, they rushed to blame russia, but if there was something involving russia you would already know it....

directfiesta 08-16-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20194444)
It's a war zone, not the block down the street. It took time to get very much information about the airliner that was shot down as well. Not like Russia or the Rebels are going to blast the media with pictures when they are denying it happened and it's not like journalist or the Ukrainians can just waltz into rebel controlled territory to snap some pictures to win an argument on the internet.

At this point I'd say Ukraine has much more credibility than Russia. Russia is the one that has lied every step of the way. Ukraine is not perfect, but at least they haven't been lying constantly about what they are doing.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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A column of armoured vehicles and military trucks crossed the border from Russia into Ukraine on Thursday night, in the first confirmed sighting of such an incident by Western journalists.

The Telegraph witnessed a column of vehicles including both armoured personal carriers and soft-skinned lorries crossing into Ukraine at an obscure border crossing near the Russian town of Donetsk shortly before 10pm local time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-Ukraine.html
Journalists without cameras or cellphones :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BTW, any news on these so sought after BLACK BOXES that Kiev has for a few weeks if not a month????

crockett 08-16-2014 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20194932)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



Journalists without cameras or cellphones :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BTW, any news on these so sought after BLACK BOXES that Kiev has for a few weeks if not a month????

Umm what other news do you expect to hear about the black boxes? They released info the second day they had them showing that the data was consistent with being hit by a missile. What else do you expect to hear?

Everyone seems to understand what happened accept the Russians and you conspiracy theorists.

CAHEK 08-16-2014 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20194984)
Umm what other news do you expect to hear about the black boxes? They released info the second day they had them showing that the data was consistent with being hit by a missile. What else do you expect to hear?

Everyone seems to understand what happened accept the Russians and you conspiracy theorists.

http://cs617625.vk.me/v617625143/17763/Sa9uCpsfbJU.jpg

directfiesta 08-16-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20194984)
Umm what other news do you expect to hear about the black boxes? They released info the second day they had them showing that the data was consistent with being hit by a missile. What else do you expect to hear?

Everyone seems to understand what happened accept the Russians and you conspiracy theorists.

oh... you heard a clip of the recording ... or read a transcript ? I must have missed it ... busy lately :1orglaugh

July 29th :
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Black boxes recovered from downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in rebel-held east Ukraine show shrapnel from a rocket explosion caused the passenger jet to crash, a Ukrainian security official said.

International investigators "indicated that data from flight recorders show that the reason for the destruction and crash of the plane was massive explosive decompression arising from multiple shrapnel perforations from a rocket explosion," said Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11300631
same exact text all over the newspapers ... Not a word from the " international investigators " strange ... for the othe Malasia flight, you had every expert on the news 24/7 for more then a month ... here ... silence

YESTERDAY :
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KAMPAR, Aug 15, 2014:
The preliminary report on the black boxes from the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH17 is expected to be announced by the international investigation team led by Netherlands early next month.
Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai says the international investigation team has prepared a report and will hand over the documents to the countries concerned.
The investigation team has obtained the voice recording from the cockpit and the flight data content besides conducting a meeting on the preliminary report on the black box, Liow said after attending the Convocation of the Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR) at the Perak Campus, here today.
“All the recordings from the black box were intact, not destroyed, and could be read clearly,” he said.


Read more: http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/20...#ixzz3AcRMOt45
faster to come to conclusions then releasing the data ... yep, Poutin doing ...

crockett 08-17-2014 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20195009)
oh... you heard a clip of the recording ... or read a transcript ? I must have missed it ... busy lately :1orglaugh

July 29th :


same exact text all over the newspapers ... Not a word from the " international investigators " strange ... for the othe Malasia flight, you had every expert on the news 24/7 for more then a month ... here ... silence

YESTERDAY :


faster to come to conclusions then releasing the data ... yep, Poutin doing ...

So tell us all your grand theory of what happened to the aircraft. Since you know it wasn't the Russian rebels whom shot it down, despite them claiming they did on social media.. Tell us what REALLY happened..

crockett 08-17-2014 07:04 AM

Also about your claims of journalist with no cameras.. Did you even search for 5 minutes for evidence or did you just accept what RT.com spoon feeds you?

These are the tweets of the journalist in question...

http://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/stat...126978/photo/1


http://twitter.com/RolandOliphant/st...591297/photo/1


You can find more @ http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/0...vasion-border/

pornmasta 08-17-2014 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20195245)
Since you know it wasn't the Russian rebels whom shot it down, despite them claiming they did on social media..

http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/...2/not-sure.png

I like this actor

pornmasta 08-17-2014 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20195245)
despite them claiming they did on social media..

You know russian rebels shot ukrainian air fighters all the time
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...241895656.html

MrDeiz 08-17-2014 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20195256)
Also about your claims of journalist with no cameras.. Did you even search for 5 minutes for evidence or did you just accept what RT.com spoon feeds you?

These are the tweets of the journalist in question...

http://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/stat...126978/photo/1


http://twitter.com/RolandOliphant/st...591297/photo/1


You can find more @ http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/0...vasion-border/

you"ll always fail to explain anything to pro-ruskie. it"s the same kind that conpiracy theorists, but more neglect and ignorant.

pornmasta 08-17-2014 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 20195280)
it"s the same kind that conpiracy theorists, .

Some people wait to be sure before they talk, especially when they are officials...

Also i don't understand all the fuss with this flight: US drones kill civilians all the time

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/25/wo...drone-strikes/
The air company is responsible because they flew over a war zone with an anticraft defense on purpose...

crockett 08-17-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20195282)
Some people wait to be sure before they talk, especially when they are officials...

Also i don't understand all the fuss with this flight: US drones kill civilians all the time

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/25/wo...drone-strikes/
The air company is responsible because they flew over a war zone with an anticraft defense on purpose...

So wait.. If it's news for Russians then we should all wait and see what happens.. However you are willing to just jump to conclusions and blame the air line company..

Sounds very sensible, if you are drunk on vodka I suppose.

pornmasta 08-17-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20195479)
However you are willing to just jump to conclusions and blame the air line company..

This is my conclusion since the beginning, they can predict what is gonna happen and i doubt those that shot this civilian aircraft did it on purpose (whoever it is), so the responsible is this stupid air company

crockett 08-17-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20195483)
This is my conclusion since the beginning, they can predict what is gonna happen and i doubt those that shot this civilian aircraft did it on purpose (whoever it is), so the responsible is this stupid air company

So a airliner flying through approved flight space is to blame, not drunk Russians manning a BUK system that admitted to shooting down the aircraft when they thought it was a troop transport.. Nope not the drunk Russians fault at all because it's the airliners fault that drunk Russians shot it down.

This makes perfect sense.. Hell perhaps the airliner pilot launched the missile himself from his iPhone just to make Russia and the rebels look bad..

pornmasta 08-17-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20195506)
through approved flight space.

who approved this flight plan ?

dehash 08-17-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20195506)
So a airliner flying through approved flight space is to blame, not drunk Russians manning a BUK system that admitted to shooting down the aircraft when they thought it was a troop transport.. Nope not the drunk Russians fault at all because it's the airliners fault that drunk Russians shot it down.

This makes perfect sense.. Hell perhaps the airliner pilot launched the missile himself from his iPhone just to make Russia and the rebels look bad..

Stop repeating propaganda shit afte CNN and other whores, wait untill oficcial internatinal investigation. Not Russian, not Ukrainian or Psaky - internaioanl. All other is BS. USA hit civilian plane at time of on of the Iraq war, Ukraine did same with russian plane I believe. Both this countries did it in the past. Any sanctions against US or Ukrain?

dehash 08-17-2014 04:07 PM

MrDiez your army is good to fight against rebels only(yes clearly supported by Russia). But I think you need to be more realistic when you think Ukrain can beat regular Russian army. They will bend you and fuck with same speed they did it with Georigia in 2008 even with US support. Just different level, also your country have no money for war. Just my opinion.

pornmasta 08-17-2014 04:19 PM

MrDeiz: ok you don't like the russian gvt and his puppet, but you won't like either what will happen later in your country after this war.

Kolargol 08-18-2014 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20195663)
MrDeiz: ok you don't like the russian gvt and his puppet, but you won't like either what will happen later in your country after this war.

at least it will be their own shit, not implemented by the neighboring empire.

dehash 08-18-2014 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20195905)
at least it will be their own shit, not implemented by the neighboring empire.

Really? I think they will be under US and allies managment.

pornmasta 08-18-2014 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dehash (Post 20196119)
Really? I think they will be under US and allies managment.

yes, what about these debts ?

directfiesta 08-18-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dehash (Post 20196119)
Really? I think they will be under US and allies managment.

You are so wrong !!!!!!!

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They ARE already controlled by US & NATO, EU footing the indirect bill :2 cents:

dehash 08-18-2014 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20196191)
You are so wrong !!!!!!!

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They ARE already controlled by US & NATO, EU footing the indirect bill :2 cents:

Not under full control yet. Few month ago they had Putuin's puppet. Now there is a ramble of Russia vs USA on Ukraine soil.

dehash 08-18-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20196183)
yes, what about these debts ?

If USA will have to pay this small amount to get Ukraine under control, then there is no problem for US to create this amount by few clicks of mouse on computer. No need to have gold back up anymore, remember?:)

pornmasta 08-18-2014 05:41 PM

usually they set up a liberal dictatorship, but i wonder what are the ressources that Ukraine can use...


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