"all the days that came and left.. i didnt know that they where
my life...."

this is the true meaning, i've simply been trying to hide it from the newbies dammit!

don't pretend like those stats are yours... :BangBang:

why do you think I am never in a bad mood :winkwink:

life <i>is</i> meaningless, of course, but that does not mean we should stop looking for <i>a</i> meaning.

P.S. 42 :glugglug

'nothing' has meaning

Ok, one last time, quiet, but only because I like ya:


You say: "meaninglessness=freedom=existentialism"

And I'm saying: "existentialism=freedom, but not necessarily meaninglessness.

See below:


I said,

And then you said:

Don't you see? I'm not arguing over the meaning of the word, I'm arguing your perception of the word. The correlation between pointlessness and freedom.

Simply put, I'm saying that you cannot believe in nothing.

Your simply getting lost in the semantics of the word, which is blurring your logic.

endulging in another existential moment eh?

:thumbsup

that can be fun...

if you define it as such...

or is it?

hmm....

you spend so much time on your replies. i'm definitely not arguing semantics. just the extreme basics.

freedom to do fully whatever you will, is never allowed, if there is any sort of meaning attached to anything in the world.

however, if we agree that there is no meaning, THEN we are free to do what we want. in other words --------> ExistentialisM (this is the grade 7 version, but it should suffice).

take phil 101 :glugglug

That's because everytime I die while playing splinter cell, I check up on what you wrote.

Ok, I do see your point, and you have convinced me that: essentially, existentialsm is meaninglessness.


But, nothing is meaningless, never has been.

So back to my original argument before we debated semantics; or, interpretation of a word, what you call "extreme basics", Nothing can be meaningless, because we attatch meaning to evrything. And this takes faith, or belief.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hybrid
[B]

Ok, I do see your point, and you have convinced me that: essentially, existentialsm is meaninglessness.

now we are getting somewhere.

now again, you've missed the entire argument. you need to leave meaning behind in order to embrace complete freedom.

In order to grasp true freedom, you need to embrace meaningless. As soon as something (anything) takes on value, this would mean you no longer have true freedom. I'm not trying to say this is either good or bad, simply a fact.

ever heard of bricolage? enjoying the surface? taking things at interface value? that there may be no hope in trying to understand things in a top down fashion anymore? that the best way to explore is through play - like through a smooth gui - rather than try to understand the machine code?

relax your grip on meaning :)

anyway, i've just been playing around... who knows where my true thoughts might lie.

50 BIATCH!

Well, it was fun, quiet, but I really got to get some z's. New quarter starts tommorrow. I'm so fucking happy I get go to scool this term.:glugglug

Alas, no more long nights on GFY, only short spurts on a moment's notice.

Good night.

any discussion about shit like this is a waste of time

University/College - best time of my life, by far... enjoy :)

Interesting

Alan Watts, the religion writer who specialized in Eastern religions, and especially Zen, said that the meaning of life is basically death. A life is like an unfinished painting, and the death of the person is what puts that last brushstroke on the canvas.

I'm also reminded of a Woody Allen quip: "I don't want to live forever through my works. I want to live together through never dying."

this thread reminds me of my first year philosophy course exam.

1/3 of the marks of the exam - which was 40% or 60% (I don't remember exatly - it was worth a LOT though) was one simple question with a whole blank page below it. "WHY?" - that's it - and a bland page - 1/3 of the marks of the exam was only that. Everyone around me wrote VOLUMES of info on it cause they felt they had to fill the page. I wrote only one word as my answer - "because" and got full marks.

I loved that prof - I think he gave me full marks just cause that answer took guts with a full blank page there.

must have been an advanced University. most don't start talking about existential stuff till 2nd year. and don't really get into untill 3/4 year.

so where are you heading next? after see all those pics, i'm really not sure if i should be involved in such fucked up shit...

toronto is my next stop (april)- that will be a BLAST - then Montreal for cybernet expo (alwys INCREDIBLE) and of course I'll hit the vancouver convention in the spring as well.
I really liked vancouver.

then internext in aug and probally nina's party in the fall.

any plans on you hitting toronto or montreal - those TWO will be GREAT small conventions.


uofM advanced - HA.... if I remember right - (10+ years ago now) we got into a lot of that crap in the second half of a 6 credit full year intro philosopgy course.... course I can't quite remember exactly what I had for breakfast today though........

My life is rather insignificant and meaningless in the grand scheme of the universe. But to me, and the people around me, in my own little world, if you will, my life is full of meaning.

now ponder this (it's not an insult or ego burst)

- YOUR life ONLY has meaning if I SAY it has meaning.

Well, to you, that's probably true. And vice versa.

umm, no - vice versa doesn't work....

Why not? As far as i'm concerned, your life isn't particularly meaningful in my little world.

that's a lie.

You're just an overweight Canadian.

Why should you matter to anyone?

Burrrrrrrrrrrrrp!

:glugglug

Ahh, true. :winkwink:

I matter to you. I'm the center of your universe.

But still, to you, my life only has meaning if you say/think it has. But that's you.

that's not me - that's just the way it <big>IS</big>

I don't answer to you. So no, that's not the way it is.

ummm, you just did so that IS the way it IS.

yep.

Life's a bitch and then we die...
That's why we get high
Cause you never know
When your gonna go...



:stoned

i believe in the philosophical teachings of Wang Philawhole


The sole purpose I have in this universe, indeed, the meaning of life if you will....


Is to stick my dick in as many vaginas as posible =)


:winkwink:

haha :thumbsup

While we're on good woody allen philosophy quotes:
"I'm not afraid of dying...I just don't want to be there when it happens."

"Human Beings are divided into mind and body. The mind embraces all the nobler aspirations, like poetry and philosophy, but the body has all the fun."

"On the plus side, death is one of the few things that can be done just as easily as lying down."

Life is just a term coined to explain the physical extent of a perceived "reality". Therefor, the only meaning that could be dirrived from it is that of it's own definition, as fabricated by the faculties of that which brought it to the pages of Webster's dictionary:

life ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lf)
n. pl. lives (lvz)

"The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism."

If you want to know if you're life is meaningless, then that would depend on whether or not you can read a dictionary.


:winkwink:

Quiet....
not sure if you are just fucking around and playing philosophists advocate or not, but especially with your upcoming retirement (alledged), you might be interested in learning about this:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

Seriously, a book that when combined with a little practice has really transformed my outlook and philosophy, and gotten me out of some pretty dark places.

:2 cents:

Now you're just being stupid.