Ethical issue: Who gets experimental Ebola drug? - GoFuckYourself.com

L-Pink · 08-06-2014, 06:04 PM

"If the Americans had this serum all the time, why didn't they send it to us Africans to help save lives?" said Winston Ojukutu Macauley, a social commentator in Sierra Leone"

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The use of an experimental drug to treat two Americans diagnosed with Ebola is raising ethical questions about who gets first access to unproven new therapies for the deadly disease.

But some health experts fear debate over extremely limited doses will distract from tried-and-true measures to curb the growing outbreak — things like more rapidly identifying and isolating the sick."

http://news.yahoo.com/ethical-issue-...-politics.html

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SilentKnight · 08-06-2014, 07:46 PM

Hold a lottery - like tickets to see Led Zep at the O2 arena.

Or stage a 'Hunger Games' style competition - winner gets the Ebola drug.

crockett · 08-06-2014, 07:55 PM

Most likely they would want to test in as controlled environment as possible. Due to how bad it's getting over there, they probably felt there is no way to do a controlled test. Then two Americans get it and are shipped back to our advanced hospital system and not some tents in a field.. Well presto they now have adequate situation to do controlled tests with a limited supply of experimental drugs.

mikesouth · 08-06-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Most likely they would want to test in as controlled environment as possible. Due to how bad it's getting over there, they probably felt there is no way to do a controlled test. Then two Americans get it and are shipped back to our advanced hospital system and not some tents in a field.. Well presto they now have adequate situation to do controlled tests with a limited supply of experimental drugs.

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pornmasta · 08-06-2014, 09:44 PM

If the Americans had some drugs to extend the lives of people with AIDS, why don't they send them for free ?
And in this case, why should the americans pay for these drugs while the africans get them for free ?

RyuLion · 08-06-2014, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Most likely they would want to test in as controlled environment as possible. Due to how bad it's getting over there, they probably felt there is no way to do a controlled test. Then two Americans get it and are shipped back to our advanced hospital system and not some tents in a field.. Well presto they now have adequate situation to do controlled tests with a limited supply of experimental drugs.

Petra · 08-06-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Most likely they would want to test in as controlled environment as possible. Due to how bad it's getting over there, they probably felt there is no way to do a controlled test. Then two Americans get it and are shipped back to our advanced hospital system and not some tents in a field.. Well presto they now have adequate situation to do controlled tests with a limited supply of experimental drugs.

I also read that this drug is very temperamental. It has to be kept frozen and then thawed right before it's given to the patient.

Since most of the outbreaks are out in the bush, and locals view hospitals and health care professionals as the devil in disguise, it would be extremely hard if not impossible to keep and administer the medicine properly.

martinsc · 08-06-2014, 11:51 PM

a fucked up world in fucked up times...

aka123 · 08-07-2014, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Hold a lottery - like tickets to see Led Zep at the O2 arena.

Or stage a 'Hunger Games' style competition - winner gets the Ebola drug.

You have to be sick in the first place to get the drug. Maybe at first you should have lottery about who gets ebola?

aka123 · 08-07-2014, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

If the Americans had some drugs to extend the lives of people with AIDS, why don't they send them for free ?
And in this case, why should the americans pay for these drugs while the africans get them for free ?

Well, America gives drugs for free and also heavily discounted. Also, you could ask why America uses shitloads of money to bomb some places those you cannot even pinpoint from the map? Not, that I would be very judgemental about that, but just asking if the money is the concern.

One of the main reasons (besides being shitty idea in the first place) why Soviet Union collapsed, was the amount of money it put into military and into espionage.

Manfap · 08-07-2014, 03:34 AM

if there's a limited supply, makes sense to test it in lab conditions.

Time to buy tobacco stocks... its made of Nicotine.

aka123 · 08-07-2014, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

if there's a limited supply, makes sense to test it in lab conditions.

Limited supply? It hasn't any real supply, because it isn't even ment to be supplied. It is experimental drug.

PR_Glen · 08-07-2014, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by martinsc

a fucked up world in fucked up times...

no, things have been fairly consistent through out our entire existence actually.

CaptainHowdy · 08-07-2014, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by martinsc

a fucked up world in fucked up times...

Tom_PM · 08-07-2014, 06:56 AM

Often the footage from Africa on ebola includes scenes of infirmary tents held up with tree limbs. Doubt you can find many laboratory conditions.
Evening news the other day said there was something like 50 doctors for a population of millions there.

notjoe · 08-07-2014, 07:00 AM

So if they had sent it and the drug didn't work people would be bitching about the Americans using untested treatment on africans.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-07-2014, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta

[A]nd in this case, why should the americans pay for these drugs while the africans get them for free ?

It's called hidden tax foreign aide. At least do it above the table so we US citizens see the cost as an above board tax. Remember? "No taxation without representation" ...

ottopottomouse · 08-07-2014, 08:39 AM

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08-06-2014, 06:04 PM	#1
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Ethical issue: Who gets experimental Ebola drug? "If the Americans had this serum all the time, why didn't they send it to us Africans to help save lives?" said Winston Ojukutu Macauley, a social commentator in Sierra Leone" "WASHINGTON (AP) — The use of an experimental drug to treat two Americans diagnosed with Ebola is raising ethical questions about who gets first access to unproven new therapies for the deadly disease. But some health experts fear debate over extremely limited doses will distract from tried-and-true measures to curb the growing outbreak — things like more rapidly identifying and isolating the sick." http://news.yahoo.com/ethical-issue-...-politics.html . Last edited by L-Pink; 08-06-2014 at 06:08 PM..

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crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Most likely they would want to test in as controlled environment as possible. Due to how bad it's getting over there, they probably felt there is no way to do a controlled test. Then two Americans get it and are shipped back to our advanced hospital system and not some tents in a field.. Well presto they now have adequate situation to do controlled tests with a limited supply of experimental drugs. Last edited by crockett; 08-06-2014 at 07:56 PM..

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SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	Hold a lottery - like tickets to see Led Zep at the O2 arena. Or stage a 'Hunger Games' style competition - winner gets the Ebola drug.

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pornmasta Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 19,324	If the Americans had some drugs to extend the lives of people with AIDS, why don't they send them for free ? And in this case, why should the americans pay for these drugs while the africans get them for free ?

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Manfap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2,624	if there's a limited supply, makes sense to test it in lab conditions. Time to buy tobacco stocks... its made of Nicotine.

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notjoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,599	So if they had sent it and the drug didn't work people would be bitching about the Americans using untested treatment on africans.