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just a punk 08-05-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20182629)
they still do that, even with 13 % flat tax rate, or I am missing something here ??? :helpme

13% is being paid for a "white" salary only, while the main portion of money is being payed as a "black" one here (pocket to a pocket). So when you hear something about the official average salary here, it's a white one which is the lowest part of the income. And that's not about the small companies. The biggest sen-state ones like Gazprom are using the same scheme.

klinton 08-05-2014 11:47 AM

...my point was: why they still do that when the tax is only 13 % ? for what ? to save 5 % ?
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20182636)
13% is being paid for a "white" salary only, while the main portion of money is being payed as a "black" one here (pocket to a pocket). So when you hear something about the official average salary here, it's a white one which is the lowest part of the income. And that's not about the small companies. The biggest sen-state ones like Gazprom are using the same scheme.


Rochard 08-05-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20182631)
These unknown shady "companies" are doing this every year. I don't understand the people who still use them when the Internet is available everywhere. However you won't find there any famous name like Tez Tour etc. Just because they are famous ones and they are not scammers.

But obviously a lot of people do still use because tens of thousands are now stranded.

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20182631)
Yes, the police, FSB DON NOT allow their employees to travel over sea anymore. That's their problem, actually. This is not a result of "sanctions:. This is their internal problem, no?

LOL. Why would the Police, FSB, etc, not allow their employees to travel? And when did that go into effect?

Let's face reality here.... You have a government putting travel restrictions on it's staff (3% of the population), tour agencies going out of business, airlines shutting down, private planes not allowed to travel, and nearly thirty thousand Russian citizens stranded but it's not because of sanctions, it's just "shit happens"?

Sure.

just a punk 08-05-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20182647)
LOL. Why would the Police, FSB, etc, not allow their employees to travel? And when did that go into effect?

Are you asking me? For real? Why don't you ask them:

http://izvestia.ru/news/569683
http://tvrain.ru/articles/nekotorye_...anitsu-367383/
http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2014/05/07/1265688.html
http://slon.ru/russia/zachem_vlasti_...-1090853.xhtml
http://www.mk.ru/politics/article/20...-granitsu.html
http://www.fontanka.ru/2014/04/23/151/
http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2014/04/22/6002161.shtml
http://www.dni.ru/society/2014/4/22/269252.html

Google translate is your friend, LOL-er :)

P.S. More questions? :winkwink:

just a punk 08-05-2014 12:16 PM

Rochard, man, you know nothing about my country but trying to play a wise man. Sorry but this won't fly.

just a punk 08-05-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20182641)
...my point was: why they still do that when the tax is only 13 % ? for what ? to save 5 % ?

13% is еру income tax here (personally I pay 2 times less). The employers pay much more. That's why they prefer to pay "black salaries".

Dmcontent 08-05-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20182400)
What do you mean? Is it became a problem to get a visa, book a hotel or buy a ticket? Who exactly will disagree with me and why? Explain please.



And?.. Sorry but I don't understand all these posts with suspension points.

P.S. I've booked a hotel in Barcelona for the end of August as usually (actually I'm going to buy a small house in Catalunya). So?


I donīt think is any harder to get visa or book hotel or airline tickets..itīs just the same as before. But I read in local newspaper that russian tourists are down 40% this year.

Problems I have seen are mostly related to credit cards not working or declined only once i saw some hate related issues but those are idiotic people.

Catalunya good for you I myself prefer Andalucia or Algarve.

editeur 08-05-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20182641)
...my point was: why they still do that when the tax is only 13 % ? for what ? to save 5 % ?

Because this is not just about income tax. Employers pay not just income tax from the salaries, b2b transactions are made in a way to avoid other taxes, either by cash or by using offshore companies etc etc etc. One black transaction pulls another and as business has undeclared money it has to pay it undeclared to workers. Business has to pay bribes to a lot of licensing and controlling organizations and bureaucrats, to customs and god knows to who else, and you obviously can't do this with declared money, so you need cash and offshores and you need to move money to and through. One black thing pulls another, it's all very deeply rooted in the society and life.

upd: for those who confused - income tax is paid by employer in RU, not by employee.

upd2: and I wouldn't call these tour operators absolutely useless though - it is way smarter to use tour operator when you fly to Egypt or Tunis, I'd not risk to fly there myself. But for Europe or Asia it is much better to do everything on my own, though using tour operators sometimes is still cheaper as they have access to bulk discounts for tickets and hotels.

just a punk 08-05-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmcontent (Post 20182711)
But I read in local newspaper that russian tourists are down 40% this year.

Police and FSB officers.

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Originally Posted by Dmcontent (Post 20182711)
Problems I have seen are mostly related to credit cards not working or declined only once i saw some hate related issues but those are idiotic people.

Nope. There are no problems with CC's.

just a punk 08-05-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by editeur (Post 20182714)
it is way smarter to use tour operator when you fly to Egypt or Tunis, I'd not risk to fly there myself.

I wouldn't fly to these shitholes with tour operators either :)

klinton 08-05-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by editeur (Post 20182714)
One black transaction pulls another and as business has undeclared money it has to pay it undeclared to workers. Business has to pay bribes to a lot of licensing and controlling organizations and bureaucrats, to customs and god knows to who else, and you obviously can't do this with declared money, so you need cash and offshores and you need to move money to and through. One black thing pulls another, it's all very deeply rooted in the society and life..

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:winkwink::winkwink:

MrDeiz 08-05-2014 12:54 PM

rusia is shit. it sucks to live there. end of the story

Rochard 08-05-2014 01:00 PM

You are such an idiot.

You claim these travel restrictions have nothing to do with the sanctions, and you provide links to back this up, and when I translate the first one it says in the third paragraph that these restrictions are directly because of the sanctions?

"Associated with the recent ban recommendation MFA all Russian forces to refrain from visiting countries where they may be victims of provocation because of the sanctions imposed on Russia after the annexation of the Crimea. In the near future similar restrictions may also be administered by the FSB, the Federal Penitentiary Service, Federal Drug Control Service and the Ministry of Defense."

So, according the Interior Minister, yes, the travel restrictions are directly because of the sanctions.

just a punk 08-05-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20182748)
You are such an idiot.

Sorry my little friend, but an idiot is you. I don't even bother to ask which exactly "sanctions" caused the police and FSB internal travel restrictions. Just take it "as is" and don't ask me for the explanations - you won't get in anyways. Believe me ;)

Rochard 08-05-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20182754)
Sorry my little friend, but an idiot is you. I don't even bother to ask which exactly "sanctions" caused the police and FSB internal travel restrictions. Just take it "as is" and don't ask me for the explanations - you won't get in anyways. Believe me ;)

"Associated with the recent ban recommendation MFA all Russian forces to refrain from visiting countries where they may be victims of provocation because of the sanctions imposed on Russia after the annexation of the Crimea. In the near future similar restrictions may also be administered by the FSB, the Federal Penitentiary Service, Federal Drug Control Service and the Ministry of Defense."

Rikki-Nyx 08-05-2014 02:53 PM

cyberseo is pro putin communist

directfiesta 08-05-2014 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rikki-Nyx (Post 20182869)
cyberseo is pro putin communist

ans MrDeiz is pro-facist U kranian ?

MaDalton 08-05-2014 03:04 PM

Russia will be cut off from the internet soon anyways...

I wonder if according to the new law also porn blogs with more than 3000 visitors a day must be registered?

femdomdestiny 08-05-2014 03:31 PM

My personal opinion that there is no chance that effects of any kind of sanctions can be seen so fast. Maybe I am wrong, but I believe that it is excuse for shady business practice that I've already seen so many times with local tour operators and scammed people.

And ask Montenegro that supported "sanctions" on Russia, how their season this years looks like. Completely empty, Russians went to other destinations to spend money. Planet is huge enough and European idiots that are imposing sanctions will take most damage , while US is applauding to their stupidity. Winter is coming.

Meanwhile in Russia: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...sanctions.html

just a punk 08-06-2014 01:13 AM



;)

femdomdestiny 08-06-2014 01:34 AM

I've read yesterday that there is no hot water in Kiev, they are trying to save gas for winter.

just a punk 08-06-2014 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20183324)
I've read yesterday that there is no hot water in Kiev, they are trying to save gas for winter.

But it worth replacing one thief with another. Yanukovich is gone, but there is still no money in the new Ukrainian budget. That must be some kind of magic :winkwink:

femdomdestiny 08-06-2014 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20183436)
.... kind of magic :winkwink:



Rochard 08-06-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20183324)
I've read yesterday that there is no hot water in Kiev, they are trying to save gas for winter.

So party like it's the 1940s still? Outstanding.


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