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aka123 07-25-2014 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20170524)
Afraid of what?

The last major war we were involved in - Iraq, one of the world's top ten armies at the time - was destroyed so quickly that we had to stop to resupply.

Afghanistan was nearly as quick.

My answer has nothing to do with that afraid thing, but Iraq wasn't top ten armies at the time and neither was Afghanistan. These wars aren't valued for cent's worth regarding US military capabilities against proper army. Iraq was a test field for new weapons againts every way inferior army, that had so little fighting will, that it can't even be spoken about. And Afganistan was war against some rag and tag jihadists, but at least they had/ have fighting will.

That is how it goes.

Joshua G 07-25-2014 03:57 PM

ahhh fuggeduboudit.

_Richard_ 07-25-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170452)
Putin doesn't seem to be the only one with big ego. Russia want's to be global power, super power (or whatever) again. This is not just some USA thing. Right now Russia boasts with it's new powers in Ukraine as it did in Crimea.

well, little talked about is the fact china had just signed a deal with ukraine for grain.. non-gmo grain..

about a month after is when NATO took out that government.

aka123 07-25-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20170550)
well, little talked about is the fact china had just signed a deal with ukraine for grain.. non-gmo grain..

about a month after is when NATO took out that government.

NATO took out government? By the way, pretty much every grain in Europe is non-gmo. GMO stuff is mostly used for feeding cattle, if even for that.

dyna mo 07-25-2014 04:19 PM

FTR, i like my russian colleagues and acquaintances, had been planning my first trip to russia to meet face to face and take in all the rich history and such when all this Ukraine issue put the kaybash on that, hopefully temporarily.

_Richard_ 07-25-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170552)
NATO took out government? By the way, pretty much every grain in Europe is non-gmo. GMO stuff is mostly used for feeding cattle, if even for that.

france just banned it, germany in 08-09, and then we get into pandoras box.

Ukraine has never had it.. or never did

they do now.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...e-arrives.html

Alesulx 07-25-2014 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20170514)
I found that interesting as well. Seems France has an aircraft carrier, and has two mobile naval groups - that can operate as far away as the Indian ocean.



That is the way it seems to be going. But most of the former Soviet Bloc countries are either a part of NATO, trying to become a part of NATO, or unable to do anything but watch.

This doesn't take into your account the Middle Eastern countries who seem to want to make war on every one.

I`m really stuck on the middle Eastern Countries...Islam will win..but can`t figure out it`s purpose.Antichrist perhaps?

theking 07-25-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170529)
My answer has nothing to do with that afraid thing, but Iraq wasn't top ten armies at the time and neither was Afghanistan. These wars aren't valued for cent's worth regarding US military capabilities against proper army. Iraq was a test field for new weapons againts every way inferior army, that had so little fighting will, that it can't even be spoken about. And Afganistan was war against some rag and tag jihadists, but at least they had/ have fighting will.

That is how it goes.

When the US engaged the Iraq Army in '91...the 100 hour war...the Iraq Army was the fourth largest Army in the World.

aka123 07-25-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 20170565)
When the US engaged the Iraq Army in '91...the 100 hour war...the Iraq Army was the fourth largest Army in the World.

Yes, maybe regarding man power in arms. And even the man power wasn't that much: 650 000. I suppose that you know the Iran-Iraq war. Not much result in there for Iraq. Iraq had by 1991 obsolete army in modern starndards (that day's modern). And still, there were no fighting will. War on desert against sitting ducks with no morale. Lead by some dumb dictator and his cousins. That's your war.

_Richard_ 07-25-2014 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170571)
Yes, maybe regarding man power in arms. And even the man power wasn't that much: 650 000. I suppose that you know the Iran-Iraq war. Not much result in there for Iraq. Iraq had by 1991 obsolete army in modern starndards (that day's modern). And still, there were no fighting will. War on desert against sitting ducks with no morale. Lead by some dumb dictator and his cousins. That's your war.

yep, iraqis/saddam were mad when they lost their western support, decided to get even via kuwait.

theking 07-25-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170571)
Yes, regarding man power. I suppose that you know the Iran-Iraq war. Not much result in there for Irak. Irak had by 1991 obsolete army in modern starndards (that day's modern). And still, there were no fighting will. War on desert against sitting ducks with no morale. Lead by some dumb dictator and his cousins. That's your war.

They had been supplied weapons...primarily by Russia...and had some of Russia's top of the line weapons of war. They were poorly trained and did not have the will to fight for Sadam. America forces had state of the art weapons of war and are very well trained.

The Russians are once again supplying Iraq with weapons of war.

aka123 07-25-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 20170586)
They had been supplied weapons...primarily by Russia...and had some of Russia's top of the line weapons of war. They were poorly trained and did not have the will to fight for Sadam. America forces had state of the art weapons of war and are very well trained.

The Russians are once again supplying Iraq with weapons of war.

Like what top of the line weapons? They had T-72s and some Scud's, neither top of the line at the time. Not useless, but far from top of the line.

The fighting will is very important, and Iraq's poor fighting will isn't something that US can boast about. Like I said, fighting against a proper army is a totally different matter. For starters against an army that fights back.

Operation well done, no one denies that, but hardly a "trophy fight".

evy97 07-25-2014 04:50 PM

By my count the US has 5 decent allies: UK, Israel, Australia, South Korea, Canada

http://i.imgur.com/ukAnyxY.jpg

btw, F-35 total costs soar to $1.5trillion but 'can't turn, can't climb, can't run' - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0PQ1I920140715

No normal nation would do such a thing.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20170390)
China debt recently catapulted to 250% of gdp, all signs point to their economy about to hit a rough patch.

What are you smoking? China’s foreign exchange reserves near $4trillion.

theking 07-25-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20170600)
By my count the US has 5 decent allies: UK, Israel, Australia, South Korea, Canada

You do not count very well...now do you?

_Richard_ 07-25-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20170600)
By my count the US has 5 decent allies: UK, Israel, Australia, South Korea, Canada

http://i.imgur.com/ukAnyxY.jpg

btw, F-35 total costs soar to $1.5trillion but 'can't turn, can't climb, can't run' - http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0PQ1I920140715

No normal nation would do such a thing.



What are you smoking? China?s foreign exchange reserves near $4trillion.

f-35 is far worse than that

we 'have 4 subs'. they don't work, never did, doubtfully ever will. also, the manpower lists.. vietnam came after ww2 and korea, and that didn't go well public opinion wise. since the 'available manpower' is 15 million, i must assume i myself am included in that, and the answer would be: ' :1orglaugh :1orglaugh ' i have seen how we treat vets after the 'honour' is done

evy97 07-25-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 20170608)
You do not count very well...now do you?

I think better than you.

Rochard 07-25-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170529)
My answer has nothing to do with that afraid thing, but Iraq wasn't top ten armies at the time and neither was Afghanistan.

Iraq had the fourth largest Army at the start of the Gulf War. From wikipedia:

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By 1988, at the Iran?Iraq War's end, the Iraqi Army was the world's fourth largest army; it consisted of 955,000 standing soldiers and 650,000 paramilitary forces in the Popular Army.
We weren't scared in Iraq, bitch smacked them twice, and we weren't afraid in Afghanistan either.

Alesulx 07-25-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesulx (Post 20170562)
I`m really stuck on the middle Eastern Countries...Islam will win..but can`t figure out it`s purpose.Antichrist perhaps?

U.S.A and Russia will work hand in hand to pull China out to play. There will be no war between them. I think it`s a bluff. Is there something in the eastern countries that China really really wants?

theking 07-25-2014 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20170617)
I think better than you.

I suggest that you rethink and count again...sport.

_Richard_ 07-25-2014 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20170618)
Iraq had the fourth largest Army at the start of the Gulf War. From wikipedia:



We weren't scared in Iraq, bitch smacked them twice, and we weren't afraid in Afghanistan either.

canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world after ww2, and 4th largest airforce.

doesn't mean shit now, didn't mean shit then either.

theking 07-25-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20170618)
Iraq had the fourth largest Army at the start of the Gulf War. From wikipedia:



We weren't scared in Iraq, bitch smacked them twice, and we weren't afraid in Afghanistan either.

It took 100 hours in the first conflict with Iraq to kick them out of Kuwaite and 24 days to defeat their entire Army and overthrow the Baathist Government in the second conflict with Iraq. In Afghanistan it took a few weeks to overthrow the Taliban Government they really didn't have an Army to defeat.

aka123 07-25-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20170618)
Iraq had the fourth largest Army at the start of the Gulf War. From wikipedia:

We weren't scared in Iraq, bitch smacked them twice, and we weren't afraid in Afghanistan either.

Some shit laying on desert doesn't make an army. :)

I haven't told you being scared of Iraq. For starters it's on another side of the world. I am not scared Tuvalu either. :)

aka123 07-25-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20170615)
'available manpower' is 15 million, i must assume i myself am included in that, and the answer would be: ' :1orglaugh :1orglaugh ' i have seen how we treat vets after the 'honour' is done

This usually depends. Morale to fight some war in some hellhole you have never heard of is somewhat different thing than fighting literally for your existence, or for most of us freedom and such are enough good causes. And I mean for real, not some bullshit in some requiting flyer.

I am ready to fight, but not in some hellhole. There is even a military game where our morale drops the more the further we move from our country (but otherwise the highest morale in the game). That pretty much sums it up.

pimpmaster9000 07-26-2014 02:50 AM

i like how americans try to find comfort in bullshit facts :1orglaugh

USA: 1000000000000 aircraft carriers 10000000000000 drones 10000000000000000 spaceships 1000000000000 americans in debt slavery


Russia: 1 amp of bacteria that is the "OFF" switch to life on earth...price 20$ :1orglaugh


how enjoy your i-healthcare your i-education and your i-army :1orglaugh

list of real american victores:

WW2: nuked some jap fishermen to make crippled war torn japan surrender before the russians waltzed in
korea: bombed the shit out of asian farmers who never did shit to the USA
vietnam: bombed the shit out of asian farmers who never did shit to the USA
avghanistan : bombed some beduins living in the dessert who never did shit to the USA
iraq: bombed some beduins living in the dessert who never did shit to the USA

making fun of the US army is so easy :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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