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[brassmonkey]

FLORENCE, Ariz. (AP) ? The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for Arizona to carry out its third execution in the last year Wednesday following a closely watched First Amendment fight over the secrecy surrounding lethal injection drugs.


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oseph Rudolph Wood, 55, was scheduled to be put to death at the state prison in Florence amid new scrutiny nationwide over lethal injections after several controversial executions. Wood's lawyers used a new legal tactic in which defense attorneys claim their clients' First Amendment rights are being violated by the government's refusal to reveal details about lethal injection drugs. Wood's lawyers were seeking information about the two-drug combination that will be used to kill him, including the makers of the drugs.

A federal appeals court ruled in Wood's favor before the U.S. Supreme Court put the execution back on track. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision marked the first time an appeals court has acted to delay an execution based on the issue of drug secrecy, said Richard Dieter, director of the Death Penalty Information Center in Washington, D.C.

The 9th Circuit gave new hope to death penalty opponents. While many death row inmates have made the same First Amendment argument as Wood, the Supreme Court has not been receptive to the tactic. The court has ruled against them each time the transparency issue has come before the justices.

States have refused to reveal details such as which pharmacies are supplying lethal injection drugs and who is administering them because of concerns over harassment. Wood later lost a last-ditch appeal in the Supreme Court early Wednesday.

Wood was sentenced to death for killing Debra Dietz and her father, Eugene Dietz, in 1989 at the family's automotive shop in Tucson. Wood and Dietz had a tumultuous relationship in which he periodically assaulted her. Dietz tried to end their relationship and got an order of protection against Wood.

On the day of the shooting, Wood went to the auto shop and waited for Dietz's father, who disapproved of his daughter's relationship with Wood, to get off the phone. Once the father hung up, Wood pulled out a revolver, shot him in the chest and then smiled.

Wood then turned his attention toward Debra Dietz, who was trying to telephone for help. Wood grabbed her by the neck and put his gun to her chest. She pleaded with him to spare her life. An employee heard Wood say, "I told you I was going to do it, I have to kill you." He then called her an expletive and fired two shots in her chest.

Stephanie Grisham, a spokeswoman for the Arizona attorney general's office, said the agency had no comment on the Supreme Court ruling but will issue a statement after Wood's execution. Wood's attorney Baich, said, "The secrecy which Arizona fought tooth and nail to protect is harmful to our democracy because it prevents the public, the courts and the condemned from knowing if executions are carried out in compliance with all state and federal laws."

Arizona has executed 36 inmates since 1992. The two most recent executions occurred in October. Two recent executions in other parts of the country have helped revive the death penalty debate in the U.S.

An Ohio inmate in January snorted and gasped during the 26 minutes it took him to die. In Oklahoma, an inmate died of a heart attack minutes after prison officials halted the process of his execution because the drugs weren't being administered properly.

The fight over the Arizona execution has also attracted attention because of a dissenting judge's comments that made a case for a firing squad as a more humane method of execution. "The guillotine is probably best but seems inconsistent with our national ethos. And the electric chair, hanging and the gas chamber are each subject to occasional mishaps. The firing squad strikes me as the most promising," wrote Alex Kozinski, the 9th Circuit's chief judge. "Using drugs meant for individuals with medical needs to carry out executions is a misguided effort to mask the brutality of executions by making them look serene and peaceful ? like something any one of us might experience in our final moment."

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[JFK]

"In Oklahoma, an inmate died of a heart attack minutes after prison officials halted the process of his execution because the drugs weren't being administered properly."

Incompetence, you gonna make the guy pay for the crime, do it properly.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by JFK

"In Oklahoma, an inmate died of a heart attack minutes after prison officials halted the process of his execution because the drugs weren't being administered properly."

Incompetence, you gonna make the guy pay for the crime, do it properly.

he starts jumping around i pump three rounds in his dome think that would be kool? he needs to suffer.

[MK Ultra]

Why is it that nobody but me sees the simple answer to this?

You want to put the guy down as painlessly as possible right?

Isn't Conrad Murray out of prison? Maybe he needs a job.
Just give him a vial of Propofol and turn him loose, problem solved


You're Welcome

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by MK Ultra

Why is it that nobody but me sees the simple answer to this?

You want to put the guy down as painlessly as possible right?

Isn't Conrad Murray out of prison? Maybe he needs a job.
Just give him a vial of Propofol and turn him loose, problem solved


You're Welcome

id kill them all for free! gas chamber was the best i could axe off the heads or crush them. bullets to the head no problem he is moments from the after life

[kane]

So a state spent a ton of money fighting an ongoing legal battle with a guy just so they could put him to death. What a fucking waste.

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. It is a political tool used by a select few to get votes. All it does is eat up a ton of money and further clog up an already clogged up court system.

If they want these guys to pay, put them in a cell and make them live there for the rest of their lives. Remove the death penalty and save everyone the drama and money.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by JFK

"In Oklahoma, an inmate died of a heart attack minutes after prison officials halted the process of his execution because the drugs weren't being administered properly."

Incompetence, you gonna make the guy pay for the crime, do it properly.

Exactly.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by kane

So a state spent a ton of money fighting an ongoing legal battle with a guy just so they could put him to death. What a fucking waste.

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. It is a political tool used by a select few to get votes. All it does is eat up a ton of money and further clog up an already clogged up court system.

If they want these guys to pay, put them in a cell and make them live there for the rest of their lives. Remove the death penalty and save everyone the drama and money.

america is full of shit. rich version of south america.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

So a state spent a ton of money fighting an ongoing legal battle with a guy just so they could put him to death. What a fucking waste.

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. It is a political tool used by a select few to get votes. All it does is eat up a ton of money and further clog up an already clogged up court system.

If they want these guys to pay, put them in a cell and make them live there for the rest of their lives. Remove the death penalty and save everyone the drama and money.

Take a few minutes and read this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Henry_Gaskins

If you read all about his crimes and still think we should not have killed him then I'll listen to your argument.

You have to read about the crimes or your opinion is just off-the-cuff fluff.

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[Matt 26z]

This lethal injection drug controversy wouldn't exist if they would simply administer surgical anesthetic to knock them out and then follow up with draining their blood.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by kane

So a state spent a ton of money fighting an ongoing legal battle with a guy just so they could put him to death. What a fucking waste.

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent. It is a political tool used by a select few to get votes. All it does is eat up a ton of money and further clog up an already clogged up court system.

If they want these guys to pay, put them in a cell and make them live there for the rest of their lives. Remove the death penalty and save everyone the drama and money.

makes sense, but is not only about the money. It is about "justice" etc + about making them fear death sentence.
I know people claim that life is harder then death and that may be truth, but I bet fear of death penalty spared some crimes that could have happened otherwise..

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Take a few minutes and read this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Henry_Gaskins

If you read all about his crimes and still think we should not have killed him then I'll listen to your argument.

You have to read about the crimes or your opinion is just off-the-cuff fluff.

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There are many people who do terrible things to others. They commit horrible crimes and they do deserve to die. I don't have a moral problem with the death penalty. I have a fiscal problem with the death penalty.

It costs significantly more to put someone to death than it does to lock them up for life. The reason is the legal proceedings surrounding the process. Tons of money gets swallowed up in legal fees and the court ends up bogged down hearing appeal after appeal and motion after motion.

I am also opposed to executing innocent people. Our justice system is flawed and these days we are seeing more and more cases where DNA evidence has proven people innocent. If there were a more streamlined way of processing death penalty cases and we changed our laws to take every precaution possible to make sure we weren't killing someone who is innocent, I wouldn't have a problem with.

The thing is, the death penalty isn't a deterrent. States with the death penalty don't have lower rates of violent or capital crimes. If a guy is going to kill 10 people, he doesn't decide not to do it because he is worried he will be put to death. It is a tool for political grandstanding and fodder meant to make the masses somehow feel like they are safer because their state has the death penalty.

[kane]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

makes sense, but is not only about the money. It is about "justice" etc + about making them fear death sentence.
I know people claim that life is harder then death and that may be truth, but I bet fear of death penalty spared some crimes that could have happened otherwise..

I suppose somewhere out there there a guy might decide to not use a gun when he robs a store just to be sure that it doesn't accidentally go off and kill someone and land him on death row. But the information I read shows that states with the death penalty often have higher murder rates than those that don't. I don't think there a cause and effect there (meaning that I don't think people in non-death penalty states are kinder and gentler and vice versa), but I think it shows that it doesn't really work as deterrent. In 2012 there was a study done where they polled a number of leading criminologist and asked them if they thought the death penalty was a deterrent to homicide. 88% said it wasn't and 7% said they had no opinion one way or the other.

I guess it might prevent a few crimes or it may change the way some crimes are carried out, but in the end I just don't see it as being something that is an effective way to combat crime.

[brassmonkey]

well his lights are out he's dead

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

There are many people who do terrible things to others. They commit horrible crimes and they do deserve to die. I don't have a moral problem with the death penalty. I have a fiscal problem with the death penalty.

It costs significantly more to put someone to death than it does to lock them up for life. The reason is the legal proceedings surrounding the process. Tons of money gets swallowed up in legal fees and the court ends up bogged down hearing appeal after appeal and motion after motion.

I am also opposed to executing innocent people. Our justice system is flawed and these days we are seeing more and more cases where DNA evidence has proven people innocent. If there were a more streamlined way of processing death penalty cases and we changed our laws to take every precaution possible to make sure we weren't killing someone who is innocent, I wouldn't have a problem with.

The thing is, the death penalty isn't a deterrent. States with the death penalty don't have lower rates of violent or capital crimes. If a guy is going to kill 10 people, he doesn't decide not to do it because he is worried he will be put to death. It is a tool for political grandstanding and fodder meant to make the masses somehow feel like they are safer because their state has the death penalty.

How much money did it take to clean up the cell block after Gaskins killed a man in prison with a bomb?
Do you think we saved some money by killing him instead of letting him plant 10 more bombs in prison?



Forget the "it's not a deterrent" argument, people care about justice.
And killing some of these criminals is justice.

You want to save some money then stop arresting 1 million people for weed.
Then use that money to kill the real criminals who absolutely deserve to die.

EDIT : Gaskins was in fact deterred from making another bomb when he was killed.


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[dyna mo]

hah, another execution botched.

say hello supreme court.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by kane

I suppose somewhere out there there a guy might decide to not use a gun when he robs a store just to be sure that it doesn't accidentally go off and kill someone and land him on death row. But the information I read shows that states with the death penalty often have higher murder rates than those that don't. I don't think there a cause and effect there (meaning that I don't think people in non-death penalty states are kinder and gentler and vice versa), but I think it shows that it doesn't really work as deterrent. In 2012 there was a study done where they polled a number of leading criminologist and asked them if they thought the death penalty was a deterrent to homicide. 88% said it wasn't and 7% said they had no opinion one way or the other.

I guess it might prevent a few crimes or it may change the way some crimes are carried out, but in the end I just don't see it as being something that is an effective way to combat crime.

"states with the death penalty often have higher murder rates"

Wow, no shit.
Their murder rate angered them enough to vote to kill these motherfuckers.



Nobody is using the death penalty to "combat crime".
It's used to get justice after a crime has occurred.

The victim's family wants the killers dead.

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[Tam]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

How much money did it take to clean up the cell block after Gaskins killed a man in prison with a bomb?
Do you think we saved some money by killing him instead of letting him plant 10 more bombs in prison?



Forget the "it's not a deterrent" argument, people care about justice.
And killing some of these criminals is justice.

You want to save some money then stop arresting 1 million people for weed.
Then use that money to kill the real criminals who absolutely deserve to die.

EDIT : Gaskins was in fact deterred from making another bomb when he was killed.


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I am not into taking a life, good, bad or indifferent or any other format, it isn't my thing - but I get it and I understand it and all that - so I am not one of these advocates that are against it - not at all - it is what it is!

However, having said that, I think I agree with what you are saying more than anything I've seen about this whole thing - putting a bunch of people behind bars that for all intent purposes are pretty much harmless and how many stoners have you seen going anywhere past the kitchen for a snack? They are harmless and we spend so many millions and billions behind bars while we sit here and worry about every dime for the REAL criminals - they both eat just as much, take up the same amount of space and probably cost just as much, so why not stop using the funds on the harmless and focus on the REAL bad guys, I've always said this and always will.

I am about to go read this Gaskins thing, people like this always grab my attention - I like to see what goes on in their heads to make them cross THAT line!

[dyna mo]

there's been 1 gaskin in the world. hardly enough to justify the death penalty.

[bronco67]

Here's a great video (very educational) breaking down the execution drug debacle that's been going on lately.



If this latest botched execution involved some pain for the prisoner, I'm not feeling too bad about it -- especially when you see the guy's crimes. But we have to appear "humane" when we carry out these things. A bullet to the head would be more reliable-- and a hell of a lot cheaper. But we like to fool ourselves into thinking we're doing something better by injecting drugs into someone.

and there's never been a criminal who thought about the death penalty before committing his crime. So I'm against it not because I have any sympathy for the executed, but it's a giant waste of money, and mostly theater.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

there's been 1 gaskin in the world. hardly enough to justify the death penalty.

That's the dumbest shit you've ever said.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

That's the dumbest shit you've ever said.

I'm working hard to catch up to the nonsense and drivel you post. It will take me a while as I have common sense on my side to battle.


Nevertheless, you're urge to kill people you personally judge is duly noted.


White Power!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

"states with the death penalty often have higher murder rates"

Wow, no shit.
Their murder rate angered them enough to vote to kill these motherfuckers.



Nobody is using the death penalty to "combat crime".
It's used to get justice after a crime has occurred.

The victim's family wants the killers dead.

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to wit.

Easily some of the most nonsensical shit posted on gfy.

So we spend millions of dollars on executing someone because the victim's family wants the killers dead.



and that makes sense to you, even to the point that you want to participate in killing someone.

right.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Here's a great video (very educational) breaking down the execution drug debacle that's been going on lately.



If this latest botched execution involved some pain for the prisoner, I'm not feeling too bad about it -- especially when you see the guy's crimes. But we have to appear "humane" when we carry out these things. A bullet to the head would be more reliable-- and a hell of a lot cheaper. But we like to fool ourselves into thinking we're doing something better by injecting drugs into someone.

and there's never been a criminal who thought about the death penalty before committing his crime. So I'm against it not because I have any sympathy for the executed, but it's a giant waste of money, and mostly theater.

Here's a list of USA executions for 2013 and it goes back to 1976 (death penalty ruled constitutional again)

http://deathpenaltyusa.org/usa/date/2013.htm

Tell me how much it cost to execute 1359 people since 1976.
Then subtract the cost of them living in prison for decades instead of being executed.

If you don't know how much it cost then where did you get the argument that it cost so much?

The cost is not enough to even care is how I see it.

Some people don't want to spend money to kill criminals but then they sign over $3.5 Billion a year to Israel to buy weapons that kill people.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

to wit.

Easily some of the most nonsensical shit posted on gfy.

So we spend millions of dollars on executing someone because the victim's family wants the killers dead.



and that makes sense to you, even to the point that you want to participate in killing someone.

right.

"Make sense to me"???????

It made sense to most voters in the following states :

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/stat...-death-penalty


You need to trade your white power in from some fucking brain power.


BRAIN POWER!




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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

"Make sense to me"???????

It made sense to most voters in the following states :

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/stat...-death-penalty


You need to trade your white power in from some fucking brain power.


BRAIN POWER!




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You actually think that voting is based on common sense?

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You actually think that voting is based on common sense?

I wasn't commenting on your voting abilities.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

I wasn't commenting on your voting abilities.

clearly.

[kane]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

How much money did it take to clean up the cell block after Gaskins killed a man in prison with a bomb?
Do you think we saved some money by killing him instead of letting him plant 10 more bombs in prison?



Forget the "it's not a deterrent" argument, people care about justice.
And killing some of these criminals is justice.

You want to save some money then stop arresting 1 million people for weed.
Then use that money to kill the real criminals who absolutely deserve to die.

EDIT : Gaskins was in fact deterred from making another bomb when he was killed.


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One guy did that. This doesn't happen all the time. If there were a rash of prisoners bombing other prisoners and doing as that guy did using him as an example would hold merit, but he is an isolated case.

Here is a good article on how much the death penalty actually costs. In California alone just housing an inmate on Death Row costs about $90K per year more than a regular inmate. Just housing the Death Row inmates in California costs the state about $63 million dollars per year. Everything about the process is more expensive. The general rule of thumb is that it costs about 10 times as much to execute someone as it does to put them in jail for life.

I understand that for some the costs don't matter and it is about justice.. To me putting someone in prison for life is justice. Maybe I can say that because it wasn't my loved one that was hurt or killed by these people so it is easier for me to be objective about it. In the end we should do what is right for the greater good. A Fox News correspondent once said, "Every time an inmate is executed a school closes." That might be a little dramatic, but I get the point. $63 million a year just to house Death Row inmates could go a long way towards do a lot of good things in the state of California.

Also, I agree with you about pot. Hell, I think all drugs should be legalized. Stop wasting time, money and resources trying to keep people from getting high.