How can the Ukrainian government be so incompetent?
They have almost 60,000 ground forces in their army. How is an army of 60,000 not capable of securing the plane crash site? and not capable of killing off a bunch of rebels ?
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There are probably a bunch of reasons. Lack of fighting will, lack of equipment and supplies, incompetence, restricted measures because of cilivian population, and because the rebels have fighting will as well as equipment and supplies. How the USA hasn't been able to kill bunch of rebels in the past wars, tell me that? It's not that easy.Last edited by aka123; 07-20-2014, 04:20 AM.
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The Ukrainian army is not a war trained well disciplined army. Ukraine's army is domestically defensive but could be crushed in days by a real expeditionary army like Russia's ... For instance; the Russian army is experienced in dealing with separatists in the Chechen Republic, NATO forces have experience in Kosovo in civil warfare tactics.
Neither the US army or the Russian army could not effectively control separatists like the Taliban, et. al in Afghanistan. The French and Americans (with allied forces) in Vietnam. The Israeli army in the Israel/Palestinian conflict which is essentially a separatist conflict now, over 40 years. The British army in North Ireland was dealing with separatists for 30 years (1968 - 1998). The American Civil War (1861-1865) in the USA went on for four years it was a separatist war too, albeit a all out war ...
So, why would you expect the Ukrainian army to sort out the separatist issues in weeks?
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One of the reasons could be that civilians can stop army tank's
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Because their army is uncontrollable, demoralized, starving (literally) and has no motivation. Watch the video how the Ukrainian fathers and mothers just take away their sons away from the army:
Here the parents try to block the attempt of sending the Ukrainian solders to the wars zones:
You simple don't understand what Ukrainian army is. Have you seen any reports from African war-zones? Ukraine is a small Africa in the center of the Europe. Total poorness, demoralized army, AIDS, drug addiction, prostitution, corruption, murders etc...
If you could be able to read Russian and Ukrainian languages, you would dig a lot of the information from the first hand from both sides of the conflict (Northwest and Southeast of the country). The internet is everywhere and soldiers post their reports to the social networks with images and shocking details.Last edited by just a punk; 07-20-2014, 06:47 AM.Obey the CowgodComment
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Kid, you have no idea on the things you are talking about. Even Google knows it better: https://www.google.com/search?q=жерт...&tbm=isch&sa=X
P.S. Since you know shit, stop posting your nonsense and shout the fuck up already.Obey the CowgodComment
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A very good video for those who forgot about Soviet tanks in Prague (1968). The Southeast of the Ukraine has its own "Prague Spring" where the civilians are stopping the army tanks entering their cities.
We live in 21th century and there is the Internet, so it's impossible to hide the truth.
P.S. A note for OPP (Obama Propaganda Patrol): yeah, clowns blame Russia.Obey the CowgodComment
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"Starving" is common problem in armies as there is very often problems with supply, but in this case I don't buy that fact. Territory is not that unfriendly, the country in general is not in war, it's infrastructure is quite intact and supply lines shouldn't be stretched. As the country has been able to feed it's citizens before, it shouldn't be problem now.
Soldiers complaining about food is not starving, that's eternal issue as army's cooks usually lack the Michelin stars and the rations are not designed to make your ass fat.Last edited by aka123; 07-20-2014, 06:52 AM.Comment
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Latest from the Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) in Ukraine based on information received until 18 July 18:00 (Kyiv time): http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/121431: 250 civilians killed and 850 wounded in the Luhansk region only within the last 1.5 months. And this is how the Ukrainian army does it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBmfL85uZ4U - I won't embed it and left it as a link because it's a very graphic video.
As I said above, the Internet is available everywhere and it's just impossible to hide the truth.Obey the CowgodComment
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So what's the news in here? That there is civilian casualties when fighting in urban areas? That would be similar to the news that wheel has been invented. I don't think that either side has smart bullets and shells those avoid civilians.
Of course it is good stuff for propaganda. Both sides can post pictures about crying widows and make a heart reaping story about adversary's cruelty.Last edited by aka123; 07-21-2014, 02:18 AM.Comment
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there would be no "separatists" if most of local populations wouldnt support them.. that way or another....what kind of government sends army to pacify his people ? Only bad "Yanukovych" ? oh wait... he was waiting patiently as they stormed govermnent buildings and did nothing....Comment
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Pretty much every government sends army to take out rebellion if things escalate to that point. Although there are exeptions in the history, but usually those haven't been rebellions to the letter.
Separatists don't need much support to operate, they just need "not much resistance", especially armed resistance. For example Hitler took his "separatist" forces to Austria and joined it to Germany after "a fair" election. And in Africa there is plenty of armed groups, they don't need local support to operate, just guns.Last edited by aka123; 07-21-2014, 03:12 AM.Comment
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maybe u should learn more what was the support of Hitler's action in Austria's nation during that time :-)
and were you also not surprised when Yanukovich throw armed police to the protesters in Kiev, in last weeks of the manifestations ? or maybe it was his "terrible act" ? :-)Comment
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what do u expect from THE ukraineI am not a megalomaniac.. I just rule the world
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Hitler's support in Austria was not that great, I know the details quite well. And they first took the troops in and the voting was only after that.
I don't know about last weeks manifestations or armed police. Usually not the kindest act, but usually police is armed nowadays, if I have to pay attention to that detail.Comment
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Perhaps so, because I'm really tired to read all those clueless posts from the GFY "experts". In fact I'm the most anti-Putin Russian guy you know about. Furthermore, I never sympathized to the Ukrainian separatists and to those who support them, but even I feel irritated when you guys starting all that bullshit about "Moscow hand", "Putin propaganda patrol" etc. Grow up already.
Putin is not an angel and I believe he is a worst possible evil for my country, but even he is unable to control the situation on the Ukraine.
As about the Ukrainian "army", so it's a bunch of poor, uncontrollable and demoralized clowns with guns. They kill civilians left and right, so they are the same terrorists to me, as the Ukrainian separatists.Obey the CowgodComment
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It's very easy to say "why haven't they secured the crash site". However, the crash site is well within rebel held territory so it's not just a matter of "showing up". First they would have to get to the site, fighting along the way, and then once they secured the site they would have to protect a rather long supply line - people and supplies would have to be transported to and from the crash site, and that supply line would be long and would need to be secured and protected....
So it's not a matter of securing twenty square miles, but also a sixty to one hundred mile long supply line.Herschel Savage
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Last edited by _Richard_; 07-21-2014, 07:30 AM.Comment
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so they were here:
- for the civilians but they didn't crush him
- with anti tank canons
personally i would more use this kind of gun mounted on a tank:
http://www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/la...2004-12-03.jpg
http://www.defenseimagery.mil/imageR...=1&w=280&h=280Last edited by pornmasta; 07-21-2014, 08:20 AM.Comment
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It's quite common practise to show of some muscles (tanks, etc.) to get the situation in control without actually using those.
Main battle tanks have anti-tank guns since tank vs tank is those primary purpose, but they do have HE ammunition for soft targets and also machine guns. Infantry fighting vehicles, armoured personnel carriers and self propelled artillery are a different matter.Last edited by aka123; 07-21-2014, 08:37 AM.Comment
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but they didn't crush him...
I wonder why.Comment
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Exactly. Blame Russia for that (c) OPP (Obama Propaganda Patrol)Obey the CowgodComment
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananm...989#Death_toll
of course there is no occidental propaganda:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananm..._Square_itself
Initially foreign media reports of a "massacre" on the Square were prevalent, though subsequently journalists have acknowledged that most of the deaths occurred outside of the Square in western Beijing.So there is massacres, but they don't dare to crush someone...Chinese government officials have long asserted that no one died in the Square itself in the early morning hours of June 4, during the 'hold-out' of the last batch of students in the south of the Square.
What bother me is that we have now to listen this pacifist bullshit.Comment
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Malaysian PM Najib Razak's statement. Looks like he does not trust in the Ukr. gov. and personally made deal with Borodai (rebel leader).
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CyberSeo please continue posting in your favorite thread http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1145598&page=10
people would like to know your lying position on many things. please make more absurd and ignorant statements in that threadComment
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why ? this is just pacific bullshit: to convince us that if you are ready to give your life, your oppressor can't do something against you. This is just crap.
They didn't dare to crush him, but in our countries, what happened in tianamen continues to be a symbol of oppression. Does it really matter if they crush him or not ?
There is anyway 1000 deaths, according to wikipedia.
Was it better if he died from an isrealian bomb, instead ?
This is non sense and if it is non sense, it's propaganda.Comment
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