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Old 07-21-2014, 11:12 AM   #51
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why ? this is just pacific bullshit: to convince us that if you are ready to give your life, your oppressor can't do something against you. This is just crap.
They didn't dare to crush him, but in our countries, what happened in tianamen continues to be a symbol of oppression. Does it really matter if they crush him or not ?
There is anyway 1000 deaths, according to wikipedia.

Was it better if he died from an isrealian bomb, instead ?
This is non sense and if it is non sense, it's propaganda.
I don't understand even half of this and it isn't because of my English.

The tank driver and or commander didn't dare to crush that guy. There is no bigger meaning in that.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:14 AM   #52
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There is no bigger meaning in that.
now explain why this picture became a symbol.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:17 AM   #53
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now explain why this picture became a symbol.
It suited for being symbol because the one guy managed to stop the tanks aka the first tank, that probably was that platoon's leader.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:20 AM   #54
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It suited for being symbol because the one guy managed to stop the tanks aka the first tank, that probably was that platoon's leader.
but the solution is easy: let's crush him, why didn't he do that ?
Weren't these tanks here to kill the civilians ?
There was more than 1000 deaths.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:31 AM   #55
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but the solution is easy: let's crush him, why didn't he do that ?
Weren't these tanks here to kill the civilians ?
There was more than 1000 deaths.
Apparently that particular tank crew felt otherwise. And I am pretty sure that they weren't there to kill civilians. Most probably their orders were to restore order, end the protests, etc, killing was just one way to achieve that.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:34 AM   #56
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Apparently that particular tank crew felt otherwise. And I am pretty sure that they weren't there to kill civilians. Most probably their orders were to restore order, end the protests, etc, killing was just one way to achieve that.
My guess is that they were probably there for something else, probably to secure the area but against heavy weapons.
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Old 07-21-2014, 12:07 PM   #57
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oh, now i get what the ukrainian flag means.
I don't think so. Here is the origin:



http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%...B9%D0%BD%D1%8B
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Old 07-21-2014, 04:04 PM   #58
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Malaysian PM Najib Razak's statement. Looks like he does not trust in the Ukr. gov. and personally made deal with Borodai (rebel leader).

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Malaysian expert and Donetsk Republic prosecutor sign memorandum on transferring the #MH17 black boxes.


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Malaysian "would like to convey our sincere appreciation to His Excellency Mr. Borodai for obeying our request."
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/491346643514851328
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Old 07-21-2014, 09:31 PM   #59
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They have almost 60,000 ground forces in their army. How is an army of 60,000 not capable of securing the plane crash site? and not capable of killing off a bunch of rebels ?
I was also wondering how they couldn't crush this "rebellion". Same with Iraq and Isis...it's like a few thousand guys versus an army. I guess there's a lot to be said for having a cause.
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I was also wondering how they couldn't crush this "rebellion". Same with Iraq and Isis...it's like a few thousand guys versus an army. I guess there's a lot to be said for having a cause.
It's almost impossible to defeat guerrillas if they are supported by local civilians. The most powerful armies got cracked on that (Napoleon in Russia, Hitler in the USSR, the USA in Vietnam, the USSR in Afghanistan, the USA in Afghanistan etc)
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Old 07-22-2014, 02:38 AM   #61
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Ukrainian MPs brawl in parliament today

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This is the tenth fight this year?
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Old 07-22-2014, 02:43 AM   #62
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It's almost impossible to defeat guerrillas if they are supported by local civilians. The most powerful armies got cracked on that (Napoleon in Russia, Hitler in the USSR, the USA in Vietnam, the USSR in Afghanistan, the USA in Afghanistan etc)
Neither Napoleon or Hitler got cracked by querrillas. Although partisans were pain in the ass for Hitler. Even Vietnam was mixed fighting and armies, not just querrillas, although querrilla tactic was most successful in there.

Neither the separatists in Ukraine are querrillas, at least so far.
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:10 AM   #63
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Neither the separatists in Ukraine are querrillas, at least so far.
And who they are? A regular army?
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:22 AM   #64
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And who they are? A regular army?
Mixed group, "militia" is probably the best term.
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Ukrainian MPs brawl in parliament today

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This is the tenth fight this year?


Another day, another fight in Ukraine's parliament.
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Old 07-23-2014, 02:40 AM   #66
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Mixed group, "militia" is probably the best term.
I see. That's a quite accurate definition.
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there's lesser ruskie bitches in Ukraine now

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Old 07-23-2014, 04:19 AM   #68
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and fewer Ukrainians. half a million ukrainian refugees have fled to Russia since April 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-struggl...015111404.html
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and fewer Ukrainians. half a million ukrainian refugees have fled to Russia since April 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-struggl...015111404.html
Only those with a brain (chess players were always the most intelligent ones): http://www.ntv.ru/sport/1151956/ - as you can see, there are smart people even in the Western Ukraine (Lviv)
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Ukraine has kicked the entire Communist Party out of its parliament. Ukraine's 2012 parliamentary election saw 30% vote for now-broken Party of Regions, 13% for Communists. Democracy
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Ukraine's Government Collapses, Prime minister Yatsenyuk Resigns
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