crockett

It's no secret I'm not a fan of the Republican Party, however I'm really at a loss to figure out anything recently they have gotten right. There was all the fear mongering about Obamacare with death panels, being a job killer and would cause the anti Christ to rise. None of their warnings came true, today more people are insured, the insurance on average is cheaper and Obamacare has created over a million jobs just in the health industry due to more demand. Not even counting the insurance industry.

Speaking of jobs and even the economy. Despite the rights best efforts to destroy the economy with sequesters and being budget nazis the economy is doing just fine and jobs are coming back.

Then there is the whole social aspect of things.. They are pro drug war, meanwhile states that have legalized pot are doing just great.

They are anti sex ed and so on.. In Texas they stopped teaching sex ed in schools and stopped giving teens free access to birth control and teen pregnancies skyrocketed. Meanwhile in Colorado just the opposite occurred, they started giving out free birth control to teens and teen pregnancies dropped 40%.

Then there is the can of worms about global warming.. They ignore all science on the subject and don't have any data to back up their claims but still they think they are right.

Then we have green energy.. They hang on to coal like it's the life blood of the world, meanwhile the solar industry already employes more people than the coal industry and it's growing unlike coal.

Hell they can't even get smaller govt or less taxes right. The last 3 republican presidents have expanded the govt and had record spending.

Honestly what have they actually done right?

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wow.

That's a whole lot of stupid all in one viewing.

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I take your reply as you can't figure out what they got right either.. LoL

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Joshua G

if you were wealthy the answer would be abundantly clear.

L-Pink

wow ????

crockett

So basically the only thing is taxes for rich people? Meanwhile they try their hardest to destroy this country, but it's all ok because you pay less taxes?

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crockett

Anything to add other than taxes for rich people, or are you just as stumped as I am?

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I'm not going to sit and defend the RINO Repubs, because they are nothing more than weasels on the other side of the same coin. That said....

1. Obamacare

Are you serious? This fiasco has already cost us a BILLION dollars. The only ones "benefitting" from it are the insurance companies and the Medicaid leeches. Unless you consider having your insurance cancelled and being forced to buy far more expensive insurance, for less value as beneficial. Jobs have already been lost to this monster, and just wait until the mandates kick in.

As if this wasn't already UN-affordable enough, the penalty is really going to inspire the idiots once they get hit with that. Yet amazingly, you seem to think paying ridiculous premiums every month, only to be followed by an even more ridiculous deductible before you see ANY benefit whatsoever is somehow a good thing. "Well, I don't want to pay for people without insurance!" Guess who is STILL paying for them now that they have Obamacare?! You. There is no free lunch.

And speaking of lunch, now we are seeing new "Healthcare surcharges" added to the bill, and this will only expand, in order to cover the cost of providing this crap to employees. Yes Virginia... you really are paying for this. In more ways than one.

But wait.... let's not forget that HIPPA is essentially gone now, and the doctors operating under Obamacare are effectively government stooges now. What profound "progress".

2. Jobs & The Economy

"The economy is doing just fine."
What fucking planet do you live on? The economy is in the toilet, and it ain't ever coming back. Dear Leader has run up the debt to over $18 trillion. How the fuck do you think that is EVER going to be paid back? The rest of the world is not-so-silently dropping the dollar, Wall St. is so insanely inflated it's laughable, the housing market is entirely propped up by the banks to appear solvent while millions of homes sit empty and rot, Detroit looks worse than Iraq, manufacturing in the U.S. is non-existent, college degree holders are bussing tables at fucking Applebees.... seriously, do you live under a rock?

3. Drug War

Defending the "war on drugs" is stupid. It's a cash cow, nothing more.
With that in mind... putting that shit in your body on a regular basis is not the brightest idea. Do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't affect me.

4. Sex Ed

All I have to say on this is, where are the fucking parents? It's not the government's job to educate your kids. It's yours.

5. Global Warming

You've got to be kidding me. Your global warming messiah has gotten rich off of idiots buying into this hoax. The Antarctica ice shelf has RECORD ice this year. Translation: More than EVER before. "Global Warming" is a fucking tool of Agenda 21. Seems you've got more reading to do.

6. "Green Energy"

There's nothing wrong with solar, except that it is not viable as a main source of energy for 7 billion people. Look at the space required to power ONE building, on a part-time / backup system basis. The whole "green energy" movement is nothing more than a by-product of the global warming tards and a FANTASY.

On your wrap-up...

"Hell they can't even get smaller govt or less taxes right. The last 3 republican presidents have expanded the govt and had record spending."

Really? Dear Leader Big O has spent more than ALL other presidents COMBINED. Smaller government? Big O has usurped power, ignores Congress, rules by decree and executive order... (that pen has got to be close to running out of ink by now).... talks about "overriding" the Supreme Court, has lied since before Day 1 and continues to do so, expanded the police state, drone kills people over breakfast including American citizens, .... and you are hung up on "republicans".

Please unplug from the television. It is rotting your mind.

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Are you off your meds again crockett?

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crockett

I can't reply to each point at the moment, but I'll,hit 2, 5 & 6 real quick.

.2) when I said the economy is going fine, I was meaning the recovery. No I didn't actually word it that way, but I meant the recovery was happening despite actions from the right that slowed it down. The sequester cost us billions and cost a lot of jobs as did the denial of budget tactics that essentially got the right less than what they could of had right at the start.

.5) the ice in Antarctica that you claim is more than ever is typical right wing bull shit, every year in the winter new ice is created, but it's thin ice that melts away in the summer. The important ice is the thick stuff and that is melting away at record pace. It's very easy to learn what the difference is in fresh new ice (ie thin ice) vs the stuff that has been there for thousands of years.

If you actually care, educate yourself as you pretty much just repeated a disproven right wing talking point.

.6) green energy is very real and countries that are committed to it are starting to reap the benefits. Queensland and Australia actually hit negative territory in the middle of the day, when demand is at it's highest due to solar. http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/sola...e-of-day-63767

You can also read this article about Queensland and how they expect the coal industry will be dead by 2040.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...CMP=fb_gu[

L-Pink

Nope, just amazed at your obsessive need to hate the Republican party. It's like a drug for you.

crockett

Not really, I just see the same tired topics by the same right wingers on here daily about how the world is going to end because of Obama. I see you guys chanting on and on about the same things with very little to no facts or evidence to back you up. So I figured I'd ask what the right has actually done right.

Given the fact that not a single one of you has actually shown a single thing except "taxes for the rich" I guess I'm right in my assumption that the right and it's followers are just full of hot air.

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There is no "recovery". You are clinging to an illusion.

In the 70s, all the tards were running around with their hair on fire claiming we were entering a "new ice age!!!" When that didn't pan out, it was changed to "Global Warming". Today, everything under the sun is blamed on global warming (read: humans). Got a flat tire? Pavement is too hot because of global warming. It's a LIE. You have zero proof of global warming that hasn't already been discredited. I bet you think recycling works too.

It really doesn't matter how much you cheerlead for it. It's not viable for 7 billion people. The ROI is not there, and most can't afford that shit, or live in places where it's not an option. I'm not talking about Fuckistania, I'm talking about everywhere, including apartments in the good ol' USA. It's a toy for the rich and the true-believers.

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You have to be retarded to not see this.
http://oneherald.com.au/second-ship-...antarctic-ice/

-January 2014
The Chinese icebreaker Xue Long remains stuck in sea ice in Watt Bay, Antarctica, near the beset vessel Akademik Shokalskiy. Photo: Colin Cosier
Chinese polar resupply ship Xue Long has flagged for the first time that it may need help, after spending days among Antarctic pack ice after coming to the aid of private expedition ship Akademik Shokalskiy.
The 15,000-tonne Xue Long notified the Australian Maritime Safety Authority on Friday afternoon that it had concerns about its ability to move through heavy ice.

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crockett

So because a ship got stuck in ice, it means the ice sheets aren't melting? Is that what you are trying to say?

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crockett

It's viable for most of this country. And it's not just roof top solar, but actual solar farms.

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In 2013, the United States generated about 4,058 billion kilowatthours of electricity. About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuel (coal, natural gas, and petroleum), with 39% attributed from coal.

In 2013, energy sources and percent share of total electricity generation were

Coal 39%
Natural Gas 27%
Nuclear 19%
Hydropower 7%
Other Renewable 6%
Biomass 1.48%
Geothermal 0.41%
Solar 0.23%
Wind 4.13%
Petroleum 1%
Other Gases < 1%

Solar: 0.23% Less than 1/4 of 1 percent.

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crockett

Solar is just now taking off it. The very first nuclear power plant didn't instantly create the most power. Solar is something that will take over in the next 20 or 30 years. It's not quite as simple as flipping a light switch, you should have enough brains to figure that out. The investments are being made now, hence the reason I showed the example of Queensland which is already far ahead of us.

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L-Pink

Not to mention the failure of numerous solar companies jumping on government "green energy" tax payer funded projects that went broke.


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Dvae

You have to admit theres some real juicy irony here, these morons go to the South Pole to look for ice, guess what they found it. Not one, not two but three ships get stuck in the ice.

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Amputate Your Head

You mean like Solyndra?

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crockett

It's not solar energy production companies that have gone out of business, it's solar manufacturing companies that build panels. They simply can't compete with China's cheap prices. US and other countries have created the technology and China steals it then floods the market with cheap panels.

That has nothing to do with solar power it's self being viable or not. The energy production side of solar is a rapidly growing market, but just like any other market we can't compete with prices on the manufacturing side.

L-Pink

And our government funded them anyway?


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Solyndra was a manufacturing company, not a energy production company. Like it or not AMP, renewable is the future, and the future will drag you along kicking and screaming no matter if you like it or not. You can try to ignore it, or you can accept it.

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Amputate Your Head

Apparently China is interested in more than just manufacturing cheap solar panels since Harry Reid has been trying to sell off public lands in Nevada at pennies on the dollar to Chinese investors for solar farms. Feel good about your Dems selling off chunks of America?

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crockett

It's funny that one failed company is the basis for you to deny the future, yet you have no complaint at the billions handed out to big oil, coal and gas in govt subsidies.

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Joshua G

i would say its more of the way of republican ideaology, AKA the religion of shareholder value, free & global markets, tax cuts & regulatory rollbacks, along with a stagnant minimum wage, has created a goldi-locks economy for capitalists. From the standpoint of a "producer" or a controller of ginormous sums of cash, the past 30 years have been a golden age. ask carl icahn.

its all about whose eyeballs you look at the world through.

what do they do for the poor? capitalists give them walmart prices & cheap HDTVs & fast food & legal painkillers that are like heroin. republicans also support expanding gambling. all these things make the poor fat & happy.

crockett

Do you feel good about Nevada leasing thousands of acres of BLM land to a few big oil companies for 2 million dollars, likely giving them hundreds of millions in profit in oil.. Yet they want to charge some rancher a million bucks for a few hundreds cows?

All that oil on federal lands that big oil is drilling away at, is tax payers money getting bought out from under us for peanuts in leasing fees and then resold to us by private companies for billions in profits.

Amputate Your Head

Ever heard of personal responsibility? No one is forcing anyone to buy that Walmart shit, gobble painkillers and fast food, or gamble away their rent money. Sure, it's the republicans fault that people are worthless scum.

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But the case being the Republican Party doesn't practice free market. They are all about giving big subsidies to their big political donors but fight any threats at all costs. Example solar.. Is a challenger to the big energy companies hence the reason so many on the right have been programmed to think it's fantasy or bad.

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No, I'm not okay with that. I don't believe I ever indicated that I was.

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Amputate Your Head

I didn't say solar was "bad". I said it's not a viable source of power for the world.
0.23% energy production for the U.S. = Fantasy energy source. Certainly not a challenger of any kind.

If the U.S. is only producing .23%, do you honestly expect to see some country like Nigeria or Guatemala operating on 100% solar? Where are you going to build all the massive solar farms needed to power the US? Well, there's land in the midwest.... maybe we don't need farming. What happens when a hurricane, tornado, or hail storm destroys a solar farm? How are you going to power jets, helicopters, trains, aircraft carriers, submarines, container ships, billions of cars, factories, military machinery.... with solar panels?

Right now, I pay $25 per month to power my home. No other investment required.
When solar can power my home cheaper than what I'm paying now, then I'll get on board. Until then, no thanks.

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crockett

As I stated the US has just started investing heavily in solar and most new energy production being added to the power grid is either solar or wind. You don't snap your fingers and output 30 or 40% in a year.

China the second largest power producing nation which has almost 70% of production being coal, has stopped all new coal plants and is going renewable. Even still they only have 1% of their production as renewable.

It's a long haul to recreate an entire country's power sources. It will take 20 or 30 years to get us to even 30% renewable.

As far as your $25 power bill, does that include fees? Because most people pay that much just in fees for delivery costs..

Amputate Your Head

That includes everything. Last month it was less than $25.
This is purely electric. I don't have natural gas.
And I have 9 computers running in here 24 hours a day.

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baddog

WTF has the Left accomplished but turn us into a broke welfare state?

SmutHammer

You have so much wrong that I couldn't even finish reading through your first post.

Maybe it's better to leave things alone that you don't have the first clue about

crockett

So by just redirecting the question, I assume you also have no clue as to what the right has done?

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crockett

Please educate me on things the right has gotten right lately. I'm all ears, but everyone else seems to be just as clueless as myself. Perhaps you can solve this mystery wrapped inside an enigma.

SmutHammer

I wasn't talking about right/left, that shit is for retards. I didn't make it much past your Obama care and jobs statement, Our healthcare system is now fucked. everything isn't about the poor. Fuck the lazy bums who want to collect for nothing. I'm all for helping but not for free. anyone collecting welfare should be doing something for the community even if it's just going out and picking up trash. back to the Obama care thing, they are fucking over the hospitals, Drug companies and Doctors... And the result is that all these people now paying for healthcare can't get good treatments etc.

Jobs... How about we tax big business to the point that many people close down their operations. Maybe downsize the military and make our country weaker. When I was growing up, If you were healthy and finished high school you could always have a career in the military and live a good life. Not so much an option anymore...

blah blah blah, there really is no point to even try to debate/argue over this dumb shit anymore.

2MuchMark

The Right rarely gets anything right from what I can tell. A couple of things they did get right were, just off the top of my head, were the EPA started by Regan (I think?), and GW Bush created a huge reserve in the Pacific Ocean. Oh, and GW Bush also signed a bill ending the Iraq War which republicans of course "Blame" on Obama these days so...



Obamacare is a winner. People who were on bad plans are now on good ones, and most are paying less. Obamacare did not kill jobs. You should like it - it is based on Romney's plan for MA when he was governor. Did you like it when it was Romney's, but now hate it because its Obamas? If so, please explain.

Not true:



Let's be fair. The origin of this debt was created by republican George W Bush when he reduced taxes AND started 2 wars. Obama inherited over 10 Trillion of debt caused by Bush. So Obama has been around for 5 years now and the debt has increased of course. One way that would help would be for Congress to support policies that bolster the economic recovery and simultaneously commit to a long-term debt-reduction plan that would phase in once the economy strengthens. It's a very tricky problem. If they increase taxes it could affect job growth of course. Maybe the plan is for now, to increase the tax base and then slowly raise taxes, who knows..


3. Drug War:
I agree with you that it is a cash cow. People all over are arrested for carrying small amounts of pot and put into PRIVATE prisons and kept there for way too long. Legalizing Pot is a big step in the right direction.


It's the parents job, fine, but its also the teachers job to teach kids right based on modern practices of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies and disease. I don't know the stats but I'd bet that too many "god fearing" parents teach their kids the wrong things about sex, and might even refuse to discuss it with their children altogether.




Dude, come on... Global warming is a real thing and the proof is everywhere. Even republicans are starting to smarten up . There are different kinds of ice and your "Translation" is completely wrong.


Green energy is a reality. People are already powering their cars with electricity. "Green" means renewable sources of electricity, and here in Quebec, almost 100% of our electricity is green. I agree with you that Solar is still expensive, but this is not the only form of green energy, and, solar will hopefully improve over time. Green energy deserves a chance because oil is just too expensive: It's expensive at the pump, it's expensive in pollution, in health, and in lives lost.

Peace.

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Robbie

Number 1...no it didn't. That bullshit was what Democrats "predicted" all gloom and doom when they thought they might lose some of their "free" money to spend.

Number 2...the "Sequester" was Pres. Obama's idea. Not the Republicans.

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SmutHammer

Another post made where the person has no clue what they are talking about

crockett

Hospitals, drug companies and doctors have been fucking over the American public for years and years. If they are now getting fucked, well fuck them. A aspirin should not cost $50. When you visit a hospital, you shouldn't have 3 different doctors stop by your room asking basic questions and then billing you as a visit when they aren't even your primary. Drug companies have been price gouging the American public for years. A medication I buy, made in Denmark, cost $35-$45 in both Canada and Mexico. The EXACT same medication here in the United States is $160. Fuck drug companies.

SmutHammer

You are absolutely right!!! fuck doctors, Who cares that they spent 8+ years of their life in collage to become a dr. who cares that they are saving lives and helping many people live longer. Fuck Drug companies, who give people ease from their everyday pains making life easier to deal with. We should care more about the low percent of people Obama care does help. The very few not being fucked over, you know the ones who are not doing anything to benefit society.

End result: Fuck hard working people, We should only care about the lazy entitled bums who are dragging everyone and everything down with them.

Did I get that right?

Amputate Your Head

The EPA is horse shit designed to steal land from the people of this country.
There are COUNTLESS stories of this. Open your eyes.

"If you like your plan you can keep it. Period."
HE LIED.
There isn't even any proof that anyone has actually PAID into Obamacare, yet you are declaring it "a winner"? Everything you just typed is pure denial of reality. Romney is no different than Big O. The agenda would be marching forward the same way had Romney been dubbed King instead of Obama. You are caught in the left right bullshit, and clearly on the wrong end of that too.

You believe false "economic recovery" numbers the same as you probably believe false unemployment numbers. It's all manufactured, the same as the "housing recovery".

Big O has been in charge for 5 years and you're still hung up on blaming Bush.
The list of Obama's crimes can fill a book. I won't bother to post them all here, since your eyes will glaze over on them anyway.

Raise taxes??? That's your solution?
Having nearly half my money stolen by the criminal IRS is enough.

If their idea of sex-education is anything like their idea of math education (Common Core), the human race is fucking doomed.

No. Just... stop it.


Implementing ?green energy? regulations that will cost the US 1.44 million jobs.
They use fake data to make electric vehicles seem more fuel efficient than they really are.
Taxes on gas are going up because of lost revenue and soon there will be an additional mileage / use tax and / or tolls. So much for "saving" with your fuel-efficient car.
Obama also is preventing the extraction of up to 3 trillion gallons of oil buried under federal land in Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming, more than enough to end US dependence on foreign oil and supply our energy needs for a couple hundred years.

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I used to be a hardcore Republican, but my lord the Republican party is a joke right now.Their entire strategy has been to "defeat Obama" and it's utterly failed. The Republican party has accomplished nothing.

Obamacare is the perfect example. This is a very much needed change and over all a good law; It's helped millions. It's removed pre-existing conditions and allowed kids to stay on their parents plans longer. We now have more people insured than ever before. This is win win all the way around. Yet the Republican party filed over one hundred lawsuits trying to kill this? And they lost at every turn. This has been a huge six year battle that the Republican lost.

Then we have the economy. No matter how you spin it, we've had fifty-two weeks of straight economic growth. Unemployment is down too. (Sure, we can argue about the "actual numbers" but the "actual numbers" are nothing more than a higher reflection of the unemployment rate we've always used - and still the "actual numbers" are coming down too so it's a pointless discussion.) You can argue about how the median net worth is down or how income is down; Of course these numbers are down people lost their houses and jobs and had to start over again.

Then we have the all mighty Republican party making big scenes about Benghazi and the IRS. No one cares how Benghazi was spun after the fact, and the IRS has done nothing more than doing their jobs.

Now the Republican party is suing the President for passing Executive Orders? For doing the same thing every President before him has done, only doing it a lot less? What a crock of shit.

At the end of the day are we better off now than six years ago? We are sure. Six years ago exactly half of the twenty houses on my street were empty. I'll never forget that. Now every one is occupied.

The Republican needs to stop focusing on the battle they've already lost twice (Obama), start doing their jobs, and start focusing on the next election if they hope to reclaim the White House.

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Sure some died, but more are doing well. Full story at http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news...-bankruptcies/

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This is dead on. The republicans need to focus on getting their shit together and putting forth ideas and candidates that actually seem like they will work. Making people angry and misinformed so they can win elections isn't going to help the country if they don't have a plan as to what they will do once they are in power.

It troubles me to say it, but Rush Limbaugh once said something that made sense. After Bush got elected for the second time and liberals and democrats were up in arms he told people to get over it.Suck it up. You lost. Get over it. Now figure out how to work with this person and do your job.

I despise Limbaugh, but in that case he had a very good point.

2MuchMark

Aputate: Instead of just dismissing what I have to say, why not back up what you say with some links, facts, etc? You can have your opinion of course but if you say something I said isn't true, please include a link to prove your point so we can debate it.

For example, you said:

Where did you read this?

Coming from someone who now has a little bit of experience with electric, I can tell you that this is not true, from at least my point of view. I am getting 72 kilometres to a charge, and have driven over 1200 kilometres so far, and not used a drop of gas. (I would get more to a charge if I drove less aggressively and didn't crank the AC all the time I'm sure).

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