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boneprone · 03-10-2003, 04:22 AM

Your economy is going to hell in a handbasket.
Are you guys worried?

The welfare system overthere is fucking amazing as well.
So fucking counter productive.

All these people having kids that cant even support themselves nevermind the kid only to get more and more from the govenrment which encourages overpopulation.

This is a mess waiting to happen.

It seems to be getting pretty bad over there.

I know there are some German Webmasters here, ive talked to a few of you and was shocked to hear about how much you guys are taxed..

ITs just crazy!

What the fuck is going on over there?

It seems the President over there won his election by pushing Anti American Retoric, and now here it is several years later and he hasnt done shit for your economy.

Concerned?

Maybe if you guys would have kept a few jews around rather then shoving them into ovens 60 years ago they could help you with this numbers game and turn your economy around.

mrthumbs · 03-10-2003, 04:27 AM

fuckin scandinavian countries

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 04:27 AM

On a serious note, things do look bad over there guys.

What are you guys gunna do.
Its bad enough that you are taxed so much.

It seems all the creative, educated, and ambitious people are looking to get out?

When I was in Germany 2 years ago it seemed bad then.
Its even worse now.

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 04:30 AM

Running around last place in terms of Economic growth in the past 10 years and looking to get worse.

Not looking good.

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 04:32 AM

Damn..
I forgot.

All the German and Soviet webmasters are over at that AWI board.

LOL

mrthumbs · 03-10-2003, 04:38 AM

mrthumbs · 03-10-2003, 04:52 AM

this illustrates what's wrong with the fucking country..

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 04:53 AM

are you racist?

Calvinguy · 03-10-2003, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs
fuckin scandinavian countries

Since when is Germany a part of Scandinavia?

brutus · 03-10-2003, 05:24 AM

Over taxation & welfare system is a really big problem in many of EU countries... like Germany, but don't forget Sweden & Finland - Scandinavian welfare paradises! There will be really BIG problems quite soon.

Freestyleman · 03-10-2003, 05:27 AM

i totally agree with you boneprone!

germany's chancellor schroeder is an asshole who has no clue about economy at all!

Validus · 03-10-2003, 05:37 AM

Well, I am in germany now.. but I really don´t know enough about the current sit. to talk about. I was under the impression though that when he was first elected, everybody was happy. Kohl wasn´t the gold child either though.

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 05:45 AM

It looks bad.
Real real bad.

ANd its only gunna get worse.

Its like a cancer eating away at thier society and killing them slowly.

You can see and feel the effects of their Policies now in their economy.

TIMZIM · 03-10-2003, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone
It looks bad.
Real real bad.

ANd its only gunna get worse.

Its like a cancer eating away at thier society and killing them slowly.

You can see and feel the effects of their Policies now in their economy.

How come you are so interested in this topic ??

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 06:03 AM

We should all be intrested in this topic.

If Germany is supposed to be Europe's largest economy and if its going to shit fast, its something all of us should be concerned with in this Global Economy.

Last I talkded to some people they were even speaking of leaving.

If all the smart and ambitious and atristic people are leaving, (as it seems many are now doing) whats gunna happen.

Like I said, it seems Germany is UN- Evoloving.

TIMZIM · 03-10-2003, 06:16 AM

I also think, that we got a lot of things going wrong over here and I´m not sure any more if it´s just a temporary problem. Since it´s getting worse every week (just read the news every day) our government seems to become a serious menace to our economy and our countries future. But the worst thing about it is, that most of the people who complain about it, don´t even realize what the hell is going on over here and still keep up with the politicians drowning the economy.

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 06:18 AM

Im tellin ya....
If you guys had only kept the Jews around rather than throwing them into ovens they would have prevented this all and you'd have yourself a nice rich economy!

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 06:23 AM

... I am a tgp webmaster, I have over 2mio uniques to my galleries ever fucking day and I pack in 15.75$ on average per day. am I fucked??

HELL NO !!! ... I also have 3 kids, praise the lord that I live in germany ... otherwise I could not be driving a ferrari, our goverment rocks ... thank you so much again !!

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 06:25 AM

hell yeah!!!

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 06:25 AM

... my new girlfriend is pregnant with tripples, I just ordered a 2nd ferrari ... our german welfare system will pay for it ... I love this country !!!

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 06:26 AM

It pays to be poor!

Just dont be middle class or upper class or you're fucked!

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 06:27 AM

btw: needles to say, once all 6 kids are here I am going to get them cloned ... this way I double my income and can order some more ferrari´s !!

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 06:35 AM

" If Germany is supposed to be Europe's largest economy and if its going to shit fast, its something all of us should be concerned with in this Global Economy. "

... wtf are you talking about, we have the best economy on this planet, just today german telecom announced a wooping 25.000.000.000 EURO loss (that´s 25 BILLION EURO MINUS) ... if that ain´t proof enough ?? we are going stronger than ever ...

Mr.Fiction · 03-10-2003, 06:43 AM

The U.S. economy is doing so great lately too. The dollars just keeps getting stronger.

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 06:44 AM

"The U.S. economy is doing so great lately."

.. you mean even bigger losses than german telecom ... i???

Mr.Fiction · 03-10-2003, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
"The U.S. economy is doing so great lately."

.. you mean even bigger losses than german telecom ... i???

Didn't AOL announce a 100 billion dollar loss a month or so ago?

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 06:52 AM

Are you saying it must of been ran by Germans?

are you racist?

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 07:06 AM

"Didn't AOL announce a 100 billion dollar loss a month or so ago?"

... I agree, must be run by germans.

Adolf
On
Line

03-10-2003, 07:46 AM

Schiebung!! Skandal!

Ich habe fertig...

smut4all · 03-10-2003, 07:56 AM

It's a combination of why it's going to hell. 1 is because of the European Union and the stupid euro

Robert.$ · 03-10-2003, 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by boneprone
hell yeah!!!

That's where I live

jennycards · 03-10-2003, 09:27 AM

Though I am actually living in Austria (the tiny country south of Germany) and our economy is not as fucked as in Germany our tax and social system IS. I am really trired of spending 50% of my money for people on welfare.

Time to expatriate!

Freestyleman · 03-10-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by funkmaster
" If Germany is supposed to be Europe's largest economy and if its going to shit fast, its something all of us should be concerned with in this Global Economy. "

... wtf are you talking about, we have the best economy on this planet, just today german telecom announced a wooping 25.000.000.000 EURO loss (that´s 25 BILLION EURO MINUS) ... if that ain´t proof enough ?? we are going stronger than ever ...

i heard that today!
sad

MarcS · 03-10-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by boneprone
Your economy is going to hell in a handbasket.
Are you guys worried?

yep

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The welfare system overthere is fucking amazing as well.
So fucking counter productive.

I agree

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All these people having kids that cant even support themselves nevermind the kid only to get more and more from the govenrment which encourages overpopulation.

If that was true we'd all be very happy right now. Germanies biggest problem is not the current economy but the lack of children 'produced' here. In 30 years we'll have almost as many retierees (I can't spell that) as working people

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This is a mess waiting to happen.
It seems to be getting pretty bad over there.

not bad enough yet. People still won't act and there are still too many that love the damn unions

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I know there are some German Webmasters here, ive talked to a few of you and was shocked to hear about how much you guys are taxed..

taxes are not really a problem. In europeam comparison they are not all that high. The problem are costs for health (~14 % of your wage - half of it payed by the employer) and retirement (~20% of your wage half of it paid by the employer) insurances.

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ITs just crazy!

you get used to it

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What the fuck is going on over there?

We have politicians that are almost as retarded as GW

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It seems the President over there won his election by pushing Anti American Retoric, and now here it is several years later and he hasnt done shit for your economy.

agreed. I highly doubt that the other side would've done it better even though I voted for the opposition.

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Maybe if you guys would have kept a few jews around rather then shoving them into ovens 60 years ago they could help you with this numbers game and turn your economy around.

my rant for the day

TheFLY · 03-10-2003, 03:26 PM

German Friend Finder sales are down too...

Mutt · 03-10-2003, 03:30 PM

you know what happens when the German economy goes into the dumper

JeremySF · 03-10-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calvinguy

Since when is Germany a part of Scandinavia?

it was a joke

TheJimmy · 03-10-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
Your economy is going to hell in a handbasket.
Are you guys worried?

The welfare system overthere is fucking amazing as well.
So fucking counter productive.

All these people having kids that cant even support themselves nevermind the kid only to get more and more from the govenrment which encourages overpopulation.

This is a mess waiting to happen.

It seems to be getting pretty bad over there.

....

Dude, for a minute there I thought you were talking about "US"

if we don't find a way to turn our mess around we won't be far behind those euro-socialist countries...

:/

JeremySF · 03-10-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by boneprone

I know there are some German Webmasters here, ive talked to a few of you and was shocked to hear about how much you guys are taxed.

How bad are the taxes over there? I live in the American welfare state called California and everytime I do a comparison of what Californias pay versus Western Europeans, it rarely seems all that different. Taxes in California suck donkey dick....and now there even going up more! Yeah, that's a great way to get us out recession. Raise taxes and make the state an even more inhospitable place for businesses.

The only reason they can get away with the taxes in California is because everyone still wants to live here.

funkmaster · 03-10-2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
you know what happens when the German economy goes into the dumper

... oh no, not again !!

TheFLY · 03-10-2003, 03:44 PM

Boneprone must have shorted the Euro again... Gotta love rumors!

JeremySF · 03-10-2003, 03:46 PM

You do have to hand it to the Germans:

Even when they fuck up really badly, at least they do it with precision.

TheJimmy · 03-10-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

...The only reason they can get away with the taxes in California is because everyone still wants to live here.

I was born and raised in the SF valley, & I got to live in the most gorgeous part of Cali (SLO county) on the beach for the past 3 years and still have LOTS of family in Cali....

HOWEVER, with all their taxes, overpriced houses, dirty cities and strange politics, I'm not certain if I'll ever move back...

The desert is home for now, and although we've briefly thought about moving back for the sake of being close to some fam/friends..it's been a VERY passing though and getting slimmer all the time...

You can only fuckup a place so much before it becomes unattractive for biz or any other reaons...

JeremySF · 03-10-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy

HOWEVER, with all their taxes, overpriced houses, dirty cities and strange politics, I'm not certain if I'll ever move back...

The desert is home for now, and although we've briefly thought about moving back for the sake of being close to some fam/friends..it's been a VERY passing though and getting slimmer all the time...

You can only fuckup a place so much before it becomes unattractive for biz or any other reaons...

Believe me, the thought has crossed my mind plenty of times. I've lived throughout this state, and although I've contemplated the desert, I think I like the ocean a little bit more.

boneprone · 03-10-2003, 07:53 PM

Do we have any Russians here?

TheJimmy · 03-10-2003, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by JeremySF

Believe me, the thought has crossed my mind plenty of times. I've lived throughout this state, and although I've contemplated the desert, I think I like the ocean a little bit more.

oh man, I can't tell you how much I miss my old view & neighborhood

ocean withdrawls are something I'm still trying to deal with...

znoz · 03-10-2003, 11:44 PM

i don't know about the germans, but i live in norway and things are really - really fucked up here. Im moving to Sweden now in about 2 months, where my money is worth about 3-4 times more than in Norway. Save up some dought and get the fuck out of there too, get some traveling agency or something to do some research for me.

Right now i pay 44% in taxes, but they continue to rob us on all kinds of fucking fees, just when you buy a car about 50% of the dough is going straight to the fucking gov.

The conditions here right now is Ok, but it's pretty fucking obvious to anyone with a brain this country is going straight to hell.

- Anders

03-10-2003, 04:22 AM	#1
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Germans... Your economy is going to hell in a handbasket. Are you guys worried? The welfare system overthere is fucking amazing as well. So fucking counter productive. All these people having kids that cant even support themselves nevermind the kid only to get more and more from the govenrment which encourages overpopulation. This is a mess waiting to happen. It seems to be getting pretty bad over there. I know there are some German Webmasters here, ive talked to a few of you and was shocked to hear about how much you guys are taxed.. ITs just crazy! What the fuck is going on over there? It seems the President over there won his election by pushing Anti American Retoric, and now here it is several years later and he hasnt done shit for your economy. Concerned? Maybe if you guys would have kept a few jews around rather then shoving them into ovens 60 years ago they could help you with this numbers game and turn your economy around. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 03-10-2003 at 04:26 AM..

03-10-2003, 04:27 AM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	On a serious note, things do look bad over there guys. What are you guys gunna do. Its bad enough that you are taxed so much. It seems all the creative, educated, and ambitious people are looking to get out? When I was in Germany 2 years ago it seemed bad then. Its even worse now. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 04:30 AM	#4
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Running around last place in terms of Economic growth in the past 10 years and looking to get worse. Not looking good. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 04:32 AM	#5
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Damn.. I forgot. All the German and Soviet webmasters are over at that AWI board. LOL __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

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03-10-2003, 04:27 AM	#2
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	fuckin scandinavian countries

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	this illustrates what's wrong with the fucking country..

03-10-2003, 05:24 AM	#10
brutus Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Living in the bottle. Posts: 590	Over taxation & welfare system is a really big problem in many of EU countries... like Germany, but don't forget Sweden & Finland - Scandinavian welfare paradises! There will be really BIG problems quite soon.

03-10-2003, 05:27 AM	#11
Freestyleman Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 283	i totally agree with you boneprone! germany's chancellor schroeder is an asshole who has no clue about economy at all!

03-10-2003, 05:37 AM	#12
Validus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 4,012	Well, I am in germany now.. but I really don´t know enough about the current sit. to talk about. I was under the impression though that when he was first elected, everybody was happy. Kohl wasn´t the gold child either though.

03-10-2003, 05:45 AM	#13
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	It looks bad. Real real bad. ANd its only gunna get worse. Its like a cancer eating away at thier society and killing them slowly. You can see and feel the effects of their Policies now in their economy. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 06:03 AM	#15
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	We should all be intrested in this topic. If Germany is supposed to be Europe's largest economy and if its going to shit fast, its something all of us should be concerned with in this Global Economy. Last I talkded to some people they were even speaking of leaving. If all the smart and ambitious and atristic people are leaving, (as it seems many are now doing) whats gunna happen. Like I said, it seems Germany is UN- Evoloving. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 06:16 AM	#16
TIMZIM Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Over the big pond Posts: 213	I also think, that we got a lot of things going wrong over here and I´m not sure any more if it´s just a temporary problem. Since it´s getting worse every week (just read the news every day) our government seems to become a serious menace to our economy and our countries future. But the worst thing about it is, that most of the people who complain about it, don´t even realize what the hell is going on over here and still keep up with the politicians drowning the economy.

03-10-2003, 06:18 AM	#17
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Im tellin ya.... If you guys had only kept the Jews around rather than throwing them into ovens they would have prevented this all and you'd have yourself a nice rich economy! __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 06:23 AM	#18
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	... I am a tgp webmaster, I have over 2mio uniques to my galleries ever fucking day and I pack in 15.75$ on average per day. am I fucked?? HELL NO !!! ... I also have 3 kids, praise the lord that I live in germany ... otherwise I could not be driving a ferrari, our goverment rocks ... thank you so much again !!

03-10-2003, 06:25 AM	#19
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	hell yeah!!! __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 06:26 AM	#21
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	It pays to be poor! Just dont be middle class or upper class or you're fucked! __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 06:27 AM	#22
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	btw: needles to say, once all 6 kids are here I am going to get them cloned ... this way I double my income and can order some more ferrari´s !!

03-10-2003, 06:35 AM	#23
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	" If Germany is supposed to be Europe's largest economy and if its going to shit fast, its something all of us should be concerned with in this Global Economy. " ... wtf are you talking about, we have the best economy on this planet, just today german telecom announced a wooping 25.000.000.000 EURO loss (that´s 25 BILLION EURO MINUS) ... if that ain´t proof enough ?? we are going stronger than ever ...

03-10-2003, 06:43 AM	#24
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	The U.S. economy is doing so great lately too. The dollars just keeps getting stronger.

03-10-2003, 06:44 AM	#25
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"The U.S. economy is doing so great lately." .. you mean even bigger losses than german telecom ... i???

03-10-2003, 06:52 AM	#27
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Are you saying it must of been ran by Germans? are you racist? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 07:06 AM	#28
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"Didn't AOL announce a 100 billion dollar loss a month or so ago?" ... I agree, must be run by germans. Adolf On Line

03-10-2003, 07:46 AM	#29
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03-10-2003, 07:56 AM	#30
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jennycards Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,124	Though I am actually living in Austria (the tiny country south of Germany) and our economy is not as fucked as in Germany our tax and social system IS. I am really trired of spending 50% of my money for people on welfare. Time to expatriate! __________________ Make Money with true niche programs like Adult ECards - Pantyhose Fetish - Men in Pantyhose

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TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	German Friend Finder sales are down too...

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03-10-2003, 03:44 PM	#41
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Boneprone must have shorted the Euro again... Gotta love rumors!

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03-10-2003, 07:53 PM	#45
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Do we have any Russians here? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

03-10-2003, 11:44 PM	#47
znoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 133	i don't know about the germans, but i live in norway and things are really - really fucked up here. Im moving to Sweden now in about 2 months, where my money is worth about 3-4 times more than in Norway. Save up some dought and get the fuck out of there too, get some traveling agency or something to do some research for me. Right now i pay 44% in taxes, but they continue to rob us on all kinds of fucking fees, just when you buy a car about 50% of the dough is going straight to the fucking gov. The conditions here right now is Ok, but it's pretty fucking obvious to anyone with a brain this country is going straight to hell. - Anders