More about autism and vaccines

[Sly]

But hey, SOMEthing has to be causing autism, right?

More about "Dr." Wakefield: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

Interesting statement: A 2004 investigation by Sunday Times reporter Brian Deer identified undisclosed financial conflicts of interest on Wakefield's part,[8] and most of his co-authors then withdrew their support for the study's interpretations.[9] The British General Medical Council (GMC) conducted an inquiry into allegations of misconduct against Wakefield and two former colleagues.[10] The investigation centred on Deer's numerous findings, including one that autistic children were subjected to unnecessary invasive medical procedures,[11] such as colonoscopy and lumbar puncture, and that Wakefield acted without the required ethical approval from an institutional review board.

[Choopa_Pardo]

I want to uppercut the stupid out of every anti-vacc shit shoveler perpetuating these baseless rumors.

[_Richard_]

in the news:


FDA cites GSK flu vaccine plant for quality violations

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0EZ1NB20140624

[Rochard]

Something has to be causing autism, but why do we believe it's vaccines? It sounds reasonable but I have yet to see any proof. I could be anything - pesticides sprayed at farms for example...

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Something has to be causing autism, but why do we believe it's vaccines? It sounds reasonable but I have yet to see any proof. I could be anything - pesticides sprayed at farms for example...

"We" believe it is caused by vaccines because this guy said it was. Very very similar to why religious zealots believe that God caused flooding because of homosexuality, some guy said it did.

Something for the anti's to chew on. You fit right in with the cooks that think dudes fucking makes God torrentually cry.

[420]

Originally Posted by Sly

"We" believe it is caused by vaccines because this guy said it was. Very very similar to why religious zealots believe that God caused flooding because of homosexuality, some guy said it did.

Something for the anti's to chew on. You fit right in with the cooks that think dudes fucking makes God torrentually cry.

Personally, I only believe what wehateporn tells me.

[john1975]

The latest studies say it's from pregnant women with high levels of a certain hormone right before giving birth. would explain the high amount of NJ cases, Jersians seem born to be stressed out. (stress hormone ? )

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-hormones.html

[Sly]

Originally Posted by john1975

The latest studies say it's from pregnant women with high levels of a certain hormone right before giving birth. would explain the high amount of NJ cases, Jersians seem born to be stressed out. (stress hormone ? )

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...-hormones.html

Holy crap. A study with numbers and tests. Blasphemy!

[ottopottomouse]

Diagnosis increases over the last 30 years is mostly down to the way everyone now has to have a specific condition that can be treated rather than just be labelled as a dribbling idiot and stuck in a nuthouse.

[MaDalton]

today they call a kid autistic that stares out of the window for more than 5 minutes

or they diagnose ADHS if it runs around a lot

me thinks the problem is mostly on the diagnostic level...

[john1975]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

today they call a kid autistic that stares out of the window for more than 5 minutes

or they diagnose ADHS if it runs around a lot

me thinks the problem is mostly on the diagnostic level...

agreed. docs abusing their powers, and getting bonuses for overdiagnosing.

gotta be nice to the a-holes though....or they'll give us some BS diagnosis as well.

look what happened to the racist NBA owner..

[VikingMan]

It is not the vaccines themselves but all the toxic garbage they put into the vaccines to make them more powerful and to preserve them. Add to that toxic cocktail the fact that kids consume food that has an increasing amount of pesticides and the fact that people tend to live near busy roads full of pollution you get more and more fucked up kids.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

today they call a kid autistic that stares out of the window for more than 5 minutes

or they diagnose ADHS if it runs around a lot

me thinks the problem is mostly on the diagnostic level...

which is odd, as it's said that the 'true numbers' aren't known, because the diagnosing only really happens at a 'mid upper class level'

but, as is the underlying message of this thread and global message..

doctors can't be wrong!

[420]

Originally Posted by john1975

agreed. docs abusing their powers, and getting bonuses for overdiagnosing.

gotta be nice to the a-holes though....or they'll give us some BS diagnosis as well.

look what happened to the racist NBA owner..

Did he catch autism or something?

[wehateporn]

New 2014 study confirms it's vaccines causing Autism, finds evidence of CDC cover-up

Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/247218/

Abstract

"There are over 165 studies that have focused on Thimerosal, an organic-mercury (Hg) based compound, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, and found it to be harmful. Of these, 16 were conducted to specifically examine the effects of Thimerosal on human infants or children with reported outcomes of death; acrodynia; poisoning; allergic reaction; malformations; auto-immune reaction; Well’s syndrome; developmental delay; and neurodevelopmental disorders, including tics, speech delay, language delay, attention deficit disorder, and autism. In contrast, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that Thimerosal is safe and there is “no relationship between [T]himerosal[-]containing vaccines and autism rates in children.” This is puzzling because, in a study conducted directly by CDC epidemiologists, a 7.6-fold increased risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy was found. The CDC’s current stance that Thimerosal is safe and that there is no relationship between Thimerosal and autism is based on six specific published epidemiological studies coauthored and sponsored by the CDC. The purpose of this review is to examine these six publications and analyze possible reasons why their published outcomes are so different from the results of investigations by multiple independent research groups over the past 75+ years."

[wehateporn]

Now they put Aluminum in the vaccines

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

New 2014 study confirms it's vaccines causing Autism, finds evidence of CDC cover-up

Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/247218/

Abstract

"There are over 165 studies that have focused on Thimerosal, an organic-mercury (Hg) based compound, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, and found it to be harmful. Of these, 16 were conducted to specifically examine the effects of Thimerosal on human infants or children with reported outcomes of death; acrodynia; poisoning; allergic reaction; malformations; auto-immune reaction; Well?s syndrome; developmental delay; and neurodevelopmental disorders, including tics, speech delay, language delay, attention deficit disorder, and autism. In contrast, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that Thimerosal is safe and there is ?no relationship between [T]himerosal[-]containing vaccines and autism rates in children.? This is puzzling because, in a study conducted directly by CDC epidemiologists, a 7.6-fold increased risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy was found. The CDC?s current stance that Thimerosal is safe and that there is no relationship between Thimerosal and autism is based on six specific published epidemiological studies coauthored and sponsored by the CDC. The purpose of this review is to examine these six publications and analyze possible reasons why their published outcomes are so different from the results of investigations by multiple independent research groups over the past 75+ years."

um, if you just put down all those links and stuff, and look at this fantastically cartoonish chart with no links and stuff, it will show, clearly below the blue banner with teh multi colour text, that Thimerosal isn't included except for the seasonal flu thing.

if you miss it, it's above the 'Vaccines work' Slogan

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

today they call a kid autistic that stares out of the window for more than 5 minutes

or they diagnose ADHS if it runs around a lot

me thinks the problem is mostly on the diagnostic level...

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

um, if you just put down all those links and stuff, and look at this fantastically cartoonish chart with no links and stuff, it will show, clearly below the blue banner with teh multi colour text, that Thimerosal isn't included except for the seasonal flu thing.

if you miss it, it's above the 'Vaccines work' Slogan

A number of vaccines still contain Thimerosal (see CDC link), so the graphic is factually incorrect, also they push the Flu jab on kids now
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf

Aluminum has a similar effect, in many vaccines they replaced one metal with another; Thimerosal with Aluminum, however it was never the Thimerosal alone which was causing children to regress into Autism, Thimerosal and Aluminum make vaccine-induced autoimmune diseases more likely, this is exactly why France are going to look for alternatives to Aluminum. The vaccines can induce an autoimmune disease in the gut which then makes the stomach unable to digest food correctly and provide the brain with the correct nutrients, that's what vaccine-induced regressive Autism is.

[wehateporn]

[wehateporn]

The info-graphic is pure propaganda intended to manipulate the uninformed, whereas Freedom of Information gives us what the CDC scientists actually say behind closed doors

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

"There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem."

"the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

"consider this embargoed information"

"I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

"The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant."

"we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits "

"perhaps this study should not have been done at all, because the outcome of it could have, to some extent, been predicted, and we have all reached this point now where we are left hanging, even though I hear the majority of consultants say to the Board that they are not convinced there is a causality direct link between Thimerosal and various neurological outcomes."

" how on earth you are going to handle it from here."

" just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

[Sly]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The info-graphic is pure propaganda intended to manipulate the uninformed, whereas Freedom of Information gives us what the CDC scientists actually say behind closed doors

Aww. That's so cute. You're upset that my infographic doesn't look like yours.

Shall we trade YouTube videos or will that make you cry?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Sly

Aww. That's so cute. You're upset that my infographic doesn't look like yours.

Shall we trade YouTube videos or will that make you cry?

Anyone who's researched this in detail will tell you that the info-graphic is propaganda, however I'm aware you posted it here to troll me; your trolling is successful!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

A number of vaccines still contain Thimerosal (see CDC link), so the graphic is factually incorrect, also they push the Flu jab on kids now
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf

Aluminum has a similar effect, in many vaccines they replaced one metal with another; Thimerosal with Aluminum, however it was never the Thimerosal alone which was causing children to regress into Autism, Thimerosal and Aluminum make vaccine-induced autoimmune diseases more likely, this is exactly why France are going to look for alternatives to Aluminum. The vaccines can induce an autoimmune disease in the gut which then makes the stomach unable to digest food correctly and provide the brain with the correct nutrients, that's what vaccine-induced regressive Autism is.

so you're saying, the chart designed to speak to people with the mental age of 10 isn't entirely accurate?

i dunno man.. these cartoon caricatures don't even seem to NEED referenced proof to seem credible.

and lets face it.. people who just won't accept what they have been told from birth will seem to believe everything they're told.

i know that, cause tv told me.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Choopa_Pardo

I want to uppercut the stupid out of every anti-vacc shit shoveler perpetuating these baseless rumors.

Same here.

[hottoddy]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

today they call a kid autistic that stares out of the window for more than 5 minutes

or they diagnose ADHS if it runs around a lot

me thinks the problem is mostly on the diagnostic level...

... and they don't diagnose kids as slow or retarded anymore. It's a lot easier for Mr. & Mr. Smith to tell their family, friend and neighbor that little Jimmy is ADHD or on the autism spectrum than a retard.

[wehateporn]

The same people who created this one are currently creating an unsourced info-graphic to demonstrate why Thalidomide needs to be brought back for Morning Sickness

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so you're saying, the chart designed to speak to people with the mental age of 10 isn't entirely accurate?

i dunno man.. these cartoon caricatures don't even seem to NEED referenced proof to seem credible.

and lets face it.. people who just won't accept what they have been told from birth will seem to believe everything they're told.

i know that, cause tv told me.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The same people who created this one are currently creating an unsourced info-graphic to demonstrate why Thalidomide needs to be brought back for Morning Sickness

im sorry man, but these guys had me at:

'i would beat the fucking shit outta anyone who disagrees with this'

i mean, if that doesn't scream science and moral fiber, nothing does

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by **********

Same here.

You should delve deeper for the root of your violent impulses Mark, they are not a sign you're on the right side of this debate, your opposition are posting studies which question the safety of vaccines, that shouldn't make you feel violent, learn more so as you can attempt to debate these people scientifically on a level playing field. Admitting you wish to turn towards violence is telling us that you accept defeat on the intellectual level.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

im sorry man, but these guys had me at:

'i would beat the fucking shit outta anyone who disagrees with this'

i mean, if that doesn't scream science and moral fiber, nothing does