Business sense, anonymity and pissmatches - GoFuckYourself.com

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 12:51 PM

This board has a lot of piss matches, and in a quite a lot of them people will participate who do not disclose their true identity or websites/programs.
Now, every once in a while some assmonkey will crawl out and start calling that person a pussy or a wimp because of that. Obviously, assmonkeys like that lack a clue. Here's a little something to fill them in:

There are several reasons one can have to read/post on this board. Major ones are getting connections, promoting your products, getting entertainment, learning about the industry, staying updated on the industry or a combination of any of the above.
Now, unless you are interested in getting/maintaining connections or promoting your products, revealing your identity serves no purpose whatsoever.
If you are engaging in piss matches, however, revealing your identity can and will damage your business. Few people want to do business with morons or assholes, and whatever side you are on, some will consider you a moron or an asshole if you disagree with them.

So, answer it for yourself: Who are the people with the best business sense, the ones revealing their identity without benefitting from it whatsoever, but rather damaging their business doing so, or the ones who stay anonymous for the most part and manage not to hurt their business by being on this board?

(ofcourse, it's a different matter altogether if you are here representing or promoting a product aside from seeking entertainment and such)

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 12:55 PM

Hmm...

If you feel ashamed to stand by your words, then why state them?

TDF · 03-09-2003, 12:55 PM

Go Fuck Yourself...take the red or blue pill..its your choice what GFY will be to you

Jon · 03-09-2003, 12:59 PM

so what's your name punkworld?

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Hmm...

If you feel ashamed to stand by your words, then why state them?

I think it's smart to separate personal opinions from business. Someone can stand by his words without making them his company's official opinion.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

I think it's smart to separate personal opinions from business. Someone can stand by his words without making them his company's official opinion.

Uhh... so when Cheshire says something you take that as company opinion of Adult.com? When I say something, it's company opinion of Ep*c? When BT says something, it's company opinion of Traffic Cash Gold?

I don't follow.

TDF · 03-09-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Uhh... so when Cheshire says something you take that as company opinion of Adult.com? When I say something, it's company opinion of Ep*c? When BT says something, it's company opinion of Traffic Cash Gold?

I don't follow.

sure Sly RJ..just like I speak for all black people

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli

sure Sly RJ..just like I speak for all black people

Exactly my point.

*Smart* business people forget personal opinions and focus on the money. Isn't that why we're in business?

I could really give a shitless if you agree with my stance on certain topics or not. I just want us both to make as much money as possible.

Show me the fucking money!

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Uhh... so when Cheshire says something you take that as company opinion of Adult.com? When I say something, it's company opinion of Ep*c? When BT says something, it's company opinion of Traffic Cash Gold?

I don't follow.

If Choker starts a pissmatch here, it reflects on his company. If hahahahahahaha says something here, it reflects on his company. If Lensman says something here, it reflects on his company.

For instance, if you were to say "White power! Kill all nigg*rs!" without it being a joke, I most certainly wouldn't do business with you.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 01:12 PM

Nazi power! Kill the Jews!

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Exactly my point.

*Smart* business people forget personal opinions and focus on the money. Isn't that why we're in business?

I could really give a shitless if you agree with my stance on certain topics or not. I just want us both to make as much money as possible.

Show me the fucking money!

Your opinion on people does and should determine how much you trust them. That most certainly influences if you will or won't do business with them.

If I think someone is a total idiot, I won't do business with them - just because I will be more likely to believe they are incompetent or untrustworthy.

If luclonely were not a boneprone character but a real person, would you risk money by doing business with him?

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Nazi power! Kill the Jews!

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me:
without it being a joke

gothweb · 03-09-2003, 01:15 PM

When I get involved in pisses, which I try to avoid, I do it in my own name. I don't like the idea of having other identities on here at all.

When I piss someone off, I want them to know it was Ian X. from Blood Money who pissed them off... because, when I earn someone's respect, I want them to know it was Ian X. from Blood Money who earned it. As far as I am concerned, the respect doesn't count unless you open yourself up to negative responses too. Segregating your attitudes to different personas is weak.

gothweb · 03-09-2003, 01:18 PM

Speaking of which...
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Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

If I think someone is a total idiot, I won't do business with them - just because I will be more likely to believe they are incompetent or untrustworthy.

I think MassiveCock has conspiracy theory written on his ass. His personal opinions and threads drive me absolutely crazy. I don't even read them anymore.

So what does his personal opinion have to do with running a sound business? Not much. From what I hear, Large Cash is rock solid and MassiveCock knows what he's talking about.

Why would I pass up an opportunity to do business with a good company, simply because I think MassiveCock is a loon when it comes to politics?

I disagree with several things you say/do. Your personal culture is completely different from mine. At the same time, I would love to do business with you and I can't wait until you get your TGP online so you can test out our goth/piercing site.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:32 PM

Doing business with people is, in my opinion, based on trust and respect. Now, disagreeing with someone does not mean you don't have those for a person, neither does arguing or debating. However, when discussions turn into fights, with insults getting thrown around and such, it's a completely different matter.

For instance, I am 100% certain many Americans on here would not do business with Joe Sixpack because of the burning flag in his sig. Now, if he were to reveal his identity, chances are it would hurt his business. Not revealing it does, in my opinion, not make him a wimp or a pussy, but rather someone with (some) business sense.

PerfectionGirls · 03-09-2003, 01:32 PM

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So, answer it for yourself: Who are the people with the best business sense, the ones revealing their identity without benefitting from it whatsoever, but rather damaging their business doing so, or the ones who stay anonymous for the most part and manage not to hurt their business by being on this board?

Personally... I would much rather do business with people that have charactor then people that hide behind fake names to sling there mud. I dont have to agree with you to value your opinion or respect the fact that you have the balls for standing up for what you beleive in.

You can share your opinion without hurtng your companies reputation.. You will find that most people who have the balls to post using there company name, never bash to name call or threaten. They state there opinion and move on.

Anyone that bashes someone else or there program without having there program in there sig. is spineless. Just my opinion.

PerfectionGirls · 03-09-2003, 01:44 PM

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For instance, I am 100% certain many Americans on here would not do business with Joe Sixpack because of the burning flag in his sig. Now, if he were to reveal his identity, chances are it would hurt his business. Not revealing it does, in my opinion, not make him a wimp or a pussy, but rather someone with (some) business sense.

Its has nothing to do with good business sense... but it has everything to do with being a coward. Joe, when called out onto the carpet didnt have the balls to put his money where his mouth is. Would I have shut Joe off... nope! His money is just as green as everyone elses. Joe has no charactor and I fnd that really sad for a man of his age.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Its has nothing to do with good business sense... but it has everything to do with being a coward. Joe, when called out onto the carpet didnt have the balls to put his money where his mouth is. Would I have shut Joe off... nope! His money is just as green as everyone elses. Joe has no charactor and I fnd that really sad for a man of his age.

So you're saying that none of the Americans here would let that burning flag influence their business decisions?

PerfectionGirls · 03-09-2003, 01:55 PM

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So you're saying that none of the Americans here would let that burning flag influence their business decisions?

Some might and that is there choice, but we will never have the opportunity to make that choice because Joe lacks charactor and will never put it on the line and stand up for his convictions.

I also feel that if you are going to make statements as insighting as Joe has you should be preparded to deal with the fallout. When it comes right down to it... Joes comments have no meaning because he is not willing to risk ANYTHING for his stand. That makes him a coward in my opinion.

BigFish · 03-09-2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

So you're saying that none of the Americans here would let that burning flag influence their business decisions?

It's not just about the flag burning. Joe makes it his daily task to come here to rag about America and the American way of life even though ALL aspects of his business involves American Companies. It's fucking ridiculous.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Some might and that is there choice, but we will never have the opportunity to make that choice because Joe lacks charactor and will never put it on the line and stand up for his convictions.

I also feel that if you are going to make statements as insighting as Joe has you should be preparded to deal with the fallout. When it comes right down to it... Joes comments have no meaning because he is not willing to risk ANYTHING for his stand. That makes him a coward in my opinion.

Some might. So it would affect his business.

Now, why should his business "deal with the fallout"? And why do his comments have no meaning if he doesn't want to lose business because of them? Should arguments not speak for themselves?

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

I also feel that if you are going to make statements as insighting as Joe has you should be preparded to deal with the fallout. When it comes right down to it... Joes comments have no meaning because he is not willing to risk ANYTHING for his stand. That makes him a coward in my opinion.

Word.

I'd do business with Joe. Again, money is money. Sorry, I'm here to make money, not worry about what some guy in some country thinks about my countrymen.

Although, I'm fairly confident that Joe would never contact me about doing business. After all, I am American.

Again, why state your opinions if you're unwilling to stand by them? You claim by stating your different opinions that you're taking a stand. What stand? You're nobody. Just another faceless computer. *

* "You" isn't referring to punkworld. Just a general statement.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

It's not just about the flag burning. Joe makes it his daily task to come here to rag about America and the American way of life even though ALL aspects of his business involves American Companies. It's fucking ridiculous.

So?
I'm an social-anarchist, and therefore against the current form of capitalism we have. Regardless, I do business, go to stores, etc, simply because I need to eat.
Does that make me a hypocrit? No, it just makes me someone who need to (and likes to) eat.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Word.

I'd do business with Joe. Again, money is money. Sorry, I'm here to make money, not worry about what some guy in some country thinks about my countrymen.

Although, I'm fairly confident that Joe would never contact me about doing business. After all, I am American.

Again, why state your opinions if you're unwilling to stand by them? You claim by stating your different opinions that you're taking a stand. What stand? You're nobody. Just another faceless computer. *

* "You" isn't referring to punkworld. Just a general statement.

You'd do business with him, but many would not.
And, again, should arguments not speak for themselves? I personally have more interest in what someone says than in who says it.

(and it better not be referring to me, since I'm not anonymous)

quiet · 03-09-2003, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Should arguments not speak for themselves?

well, if they are ad hominem (which they many times are)....

PerfectionGirls · 03-09-2003, 02:08 PM

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and it better not be referring to me, since I'm not anonymous

Punkworld... see, thats where you and Joe are not even in the same league.. You have more charactor in your left little finger then he will ever have.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

well, if they are ad hominem (which they many times are)....

But ad hominem arguments are flawed reasoning anyway, and thus (should) carry no weight whatsoever.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

Punkworld... see, thats where you and Joe are not even in the same league.. You have more charactor in your left little finger then he will ever have.

I disagree. I think he may well have character. He posts pictures of himself, so it's not him staying anonymous, but rather his business.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

And, again, should arguments not speak for themselves?

When someone makes a statement or argument, I always consider the source first. In Joe's case, I already know the general feeling of his posts. So when he starts to mention something about the States, I'm always going to think twice before I believe him.

But sure, sound arguments should speak for themselves.

Question: if you're making sound arguments, why not take responsibility for them?

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

When someone makes a statement or argument, I always consider the source first. In Joe's case, I already know the general feeling of his posts. So when he starts to mention something about the States, I'm always going to think twice before I believe him.

But sure, sound arguments should speak for themselves.

Question: if you're making sound arguments, why not take responsibility for them?

Because it may hurt the food on your table.

PerfectionGirls · 03-09-2003, 02:14 PM

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I disagree. I think he may well have character. He posts pictures of himself, so it's not him staying anonymous, but rather his business.

No finanical risk in posting a picture. He just does not have the guts to stand up fo rwhat he beleives in. It makes every statement he makes weak at best. I have no respect for people that feel they have to lurk in the shodows because of what they beleive in.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

No finanical risk in posting a picture.

But why should giving your opinion bring along financial risks?

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Because it may hurt the food on your table.

Then why make the statements?

People shouldn't be responsible for their words and actions?

quiet · 03-09-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

But ad hominem arguments are flawed reasoning anyway, and thus (should) carry no weight whatsoever.

that doesn't mean such arguments can't do damage, or affect real negative influence. it happens all the time.

PerfectionGirls · 03-09-2003, 02:19 PM

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But why should giving your opinion bring along financial risks?

It shoudnt unless the purpose of your remarks are to insight, degrade and mock. Then... you should at least have the balls to live by your remarks.

BigFish · 03-09-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

So?
I'm an social-anarchist, and therefore against the current form of capitalism we have. Regardless, I do business, go to stores, etc, simply because I need to eat.
Does that make me a hypocrit? No, it just makes me someone who need to (and likes to) eat.

I am not talking about what people eat. What are your VALUES? He attacks a lot of American webmaster values day in and day out when he in fact is living the same life. What does this show? He's going here to piss on people's values not because he's voicing his opinion, he's doing it so he can get a kick out of pissing people off.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Then why make the statements?

People shouldn't be responsible for their words and actions?

Simply because you think they are true. Believing something is true does not mean you are willing to have nothing to eat because of saying it.
I am very much against the Chinese government, and I would gladly see it gone. However, I do not travel to China to tell that to the government officials over there, simply because I value my life.

Now, another example:
Imagine you lived in a town which was run by the mafia, and anyone who spoke out against them would get into big-ass trouble. Would it then be wrong to write an anonymous letter to the local newspaper criticizing the situation?

Placing value on other things besides your opinion does not mean you are a coward, imo.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

that doesn't mean such arguments can't do damage, or affect real negative influence. it happens all the time.

But they wouldn't be more valuable if the person using them revealed his identity.

BigFish · 03-09-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Simply because you think they are true. Believing something is true does not mean you are willing to have nothing to eat because of saying it.
I am very much against the Chinese government, and I would gladly see it gone. However, I do not travel to China to tell that to the government officials over there, simply because I value my life.

Now, another example:
Imagine you lived in a town which was run by the mafia, and anyone who spoke out against them would get into big-ass trouble. Would it then be wrong to write an anonymous letter to the local newspaper criticizing the situation?

Placing value on other things besides your opinion does not mean you are a coward, imo.

It's not wrong in your example but if you make it your all-day, everyday, must do TASK to do it, then it's going over the line. Look at joe's post history, all he ever does is try to provoke Americans EVERYDAY.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls

It shoudnt unless the purpose of your remarks are to insight, degrade and mock. Then... you should at least have the balls to live by your remarks.

Why?

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

It's not wrong in your example but if you make it your all-day, everyday, must do TASK to do it, then it's going over the line. Look at joe's post history, all he ever does is try to provoke Americans EVERYDAY.

So if the person in the little town run by the mafia were to write lots of anonymous letters to the local newspaper, he SHOULD reveal himself and face the consequences?

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

I am not talking about what people eat. What are your VALUES? He attacks a lot of American webmaster values day in and day out when he in fact is living the same life. What does this show? He's going here to piss on people's values not because he's voicing his opinion, he's doing it so he can get a kick out of pissing people off.

Who says he's living the same life? He makes money in the same business, but that's all.
And, it is about what he eats - if he makes his money in this biz, it's what puts food on his table.

BigFish · 03-09-2003, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

So if the person in the little town run by the mafia were to write lots of anonymous letters to the local newspaper, he SHOULD reveal himself and face the consequences?

Are adult webmasters here the Mafia? No, i think not. If you feel so strongly about your opinion that you have to voice it out everyday, then you should have the balls to reveal yourself. He's an adult, doing business with adults, and voicing his opinions to adults.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Who says he's living the same life? He makes money in the same business, but that's all.
And, it is about what he eats - if he makes his money in this biz, it's what puts food on his table.

Hmm... didn't realize Joe was THAT dependent on American companies. Interesting.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

If you feel so strongly about your opinion that you have to voice it out everyday, then you should have the balls to reveal yourself.

Why?

BigFish · 03-09-2003, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Why?

Umm.. You just quoted why. Look what you quoted and there's the reason. We all know joe runs:

http://www.filthywebcams.com/
http://www.sexcrazy69.com/
http://www.pornonabudget.com/

From there, you can find a lot of information about him already so anonymity is obviously not an option in this discussion.

FlyingIguana · 03-09-2003, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Uhh... so when Cheshire says something you take that as company opinion of Adult.com? When I say something, it's company opinion of Ep*c? When BT says something, it's company opinion of Traffic Cash Gold?

I don't follow.

it reflects on the company they work for.

in regards to the original post, you can't really tell if someone has good business sense from a message board.

Libertine · 03-09-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Umm.. You just quoted why. Look what you quoted and there's the reason.

No, that's a statement, not a reason.

Sly_RJ · 03-09-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld

Why?

Why should someone be able to parade around on some message board, insulting anyone and everyone, mocking the dead relatives of fellow board members, show complete and utter disrespect for anyone they MAY already be doing business with, all without holding any responsibility for his words?

So, you answer me, why?

It's called respect. You can not come to my door and mock my dead cousin, who died in a war, and not expect some sort of recourse.

How would you react if someone called you up tomorrow and filled you in on a little conversation I was having with them? This conversation was basically all about the asshole you are, the whiny bitch you are, and the unethical business practices you maintain. (This isn't true, by the way.)

Would you want to hold me responsible? Would you want to cut off our relationship?

03-09-2003, 12:51 PM	#1
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Business sense, anonymity and pissmatches This board has a lot of piss matches, and in a quite a lot of them people will participate who do not disclose their true identity or websites/programs. Now, every once in a while some assmonkey will crawl out and start calling that person a pussy or a wimp because of that. Obviously, assmonkeys like that lack a clue. Here's a little something to fill them in: There are several reasons one can have to read/post on this board. Major ones are getting connections, promoting your products, getting entertainment, learning about the industry, staying updated on the industry or a combination of any of the above. Now, unless you are interested in getting/maintaining connections or promoting your products, revealing your identity serves no purpose whatsoever. If you are engaging in piss matches, however, revealing your identity can and will damage your business. Few people want to do business with morons or assholes, and whatever side you are on, some will consider you a moron or an asshole if you disagree with them. So, answer it for yourself: Who are the people with the best business sense, the ones revealing their identity without benefitting from it whatsoever, but rather damaging their business doing so, or the ones who stay anonymous for the most part and manage not to hurt their business by being on this board? (ofcourse, it's a different matter altogether if you are here representing or promoting a product aside from seeking entertainment and such) __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	Doing business with people is, in my opinion, based on trust and respect. Now, disagreeing with someone does not mean you don't have those for a person, neither does arguing or debating. However, when discussions turn into fights, with insults getting thrown around and such, it's a completely different matter. For instance, I am 100% certain many Americans on here would not do business with Joe Sixpack because of the burning flag in his sig. Now, if he were to reveal his identity, chances are it would hurt his business. Not revealing it does, in my opinion, not make him a wimp or a pussy, but rather someone with (some) business sense. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/