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tony286 03-09-2003 12:19 PM

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Apple puts on a high quality product at fair market price
Fair market price ? They build a good product but I dont think so they are expenisive, go to buy a mac and see what they charge you to add ddr ram its rape lol.

candyflip 03-09-2003 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by Equinox
Let's hear it...
This one is the 266, with a 4gig harddrive and 320MB RAM. I had it running OSX, but wiped everything clean and reinstalled 9.2.2
I was able to install and run OSX, and all of the Macromedia Studio MX programs. Not bad for a 5 year old machine. The battery is a bit tempermental. Sometimes it holds a charge, sometimes it doesn't. They are easy to come by. I've got the swapable cd and zip drives. That's about it. I've seen them go for upwards of $700. So best offer + shipping, and whoever wants it can enjoy it.

PowerBook G3 Series (rev. 2)
Codename: PDQ
CPU: PowerPC 750
CPU Speed: 233/266/300 Mhz
FPU: integrated
Bus Speed: 66 Mhz
Data Path: 64 bit
ROM: 4 MB
RAM Type: SO-DIMM
Mininum RAM Speed: 100 Mhz
Onboard RAM: 0 MB
RAM Slots: 2
Maximum RAM: 192 MB
Level 1 Cache: 32 k data, 32k instruction
Level 2 Cache: 512 kb backside, 1:2
Screen: 14.1" active matrix TFT
Maximum Resolution: 24 bit 1024x768
Slots: 2 Type II or 1 Type III PC Card
Floppy Drive: removable 1.4 MB SuperDrive
Zip Drive: optional
Optical Drive: 24x CD-ROM or optional DVD-ROM
Hard Disk: 2 GB
ATA Bus: IDE
Ethernet: 10Base-T
ADB: 1
Serial: 2
SCSI: HDI-30
Video Out: VGA, S-Video
Audio Out: stereo 16 bit mini
Audio In: stereo 16 bit mini
Speaker(s): stereo
Microphone: mono
Gestalt ID: 312
Power: 45 Watts
Weight: 7.5 lbs.
Dimentions: 2" H x 12.7" W x 10.4" D
Minimum OS: 8.1
Maximum OS: 10.2.4
Introduced: August 1998
Terminated: May 1999

Announced in August 1998, The Rev. 2 PowerBook G3 was an answer to supply problems that had been troubling Apple all summer. By standardizing the bus speed (to 66 Mhz) and the screen size (to 14.1"), Apple could further streamline the production process, and ship PowerBooks faster. While 266 and 300 Mhz versions took some time to make it into the resseller channel, the 233 Mhz model (now equipped with a L2 cache) was available immediately.

The 233 Mhz was initially sold for $2,799, the 266 Mhz model for $3,499, and the 300 Mhz model for $3,999. There was also a limited-edition 233 Mhz 12.1" active-matrix model which sold for $2,299.

http://www.apple-history.com

gothweb 03-09-2003 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409



i'm talking just the box, last i checked on prices for a dual g4 1ghz... the prices just weren't right. i could have easily built a p4 system probably for about $500-1000 less, with a very similar config.

Try this. Go to Apple. Pick a system, get it configured how you like it.

Then, go to Dell. Find a similar system (remember, per MHz, G4 is faster than P4). Keep the windows open side by side, and get a price on comparable systems. Not just the superficial stuff, but all the specs.

Let me know how it turns out. Every time I have done it, the Dell has been more expensive.

iroc409 03-09-2003 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb


Try this. Go to Apple. Pick a system, get it configured how you like it.

Then, go to Dell. Find a similar system (remember, per MHz, G4 is faster than P4). Keep the windows open side by side, and get a price on comparable systems. Not just the superficial stuff, but all the specs.

Let me know how it turns out. Every time I have done it, the Dell has been more expensive.

you're probably right there, but why would *i* buy a dell desktop? i'm not sure where i can buy all the parts seperately and *build* a g4. can you do this?

candyflip 03-09-2003 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by tony404


Fair market price ? They build a good product but I dont think so they are expenisive, go to buy a mac and see what they charge you to add ddr ram its rape lol.

I own multiple :) They're products are priced at fair market value. Price up a comparable PC. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the Mac was priced less. Show me something from a company that provides the product, and the support. Apples for apples in way.
Let's see :Graucho

gothweb 03-09-2003 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409


you're probably right there, but why would *i* buy a dell desktop? i'm not sure where i can buy all the parts seperately and *build* a g4. can you do this?

You are right. You can build a PC yourself from parts. You can't really do that with a Mac. So what? At that point, all complains about Apple can also be applied to Sony or Dell. Plenty of people choose to buy Sony or Dell computers, and like them, Apple is a premium product.

iroc409 03-09-2003 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb


You are right. You can build a PC yourself from parts. You can't really do that with a Mac. So what? At that point, all complains about Apple can also be applied to Sony or Dell. Plenty of people choose to buy Sony or Dell computers, and like them, Apple is a premium product.

well. we're both right, i guess. as with anything, an item's only worth what you can sell it to someone for. and you can't sell me a prebuilt machine (except a mac). i have nothing against macs at all. but, i don't have an infinite budget, so i don't see any reason for me to switch when i can do just as much with less, so-to-speak.

i think mac does make good products, tho. they kick ass and i wouldn't mind having one someday. it's just not cost-effective, for me.

Pornwolf 03-09-2003 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by iroc409
actually, everybody just wait for the motherfucking hammer chip...

tie that up with a radeon 9800 and it's game over for everyone.. including mac.

He speaks the truth. Clawhammer + Multithreading is unbeatable (at least for a few years).

Available mid year.

Nasty D 03-09-2003 01:03 PM

Dude you should of got a Dell!

If you are editing video, get the G4!

iroc409 03-09-2003 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf


He speaks the truth. Clawhammer + Multithreading is unbeatable (at least for a few years).

Available mid year.

it sounds like amd is delaying a bit... they're blaming it on microsoft, but who knows. their explanation is that they are waiting for the release of xp64. otherwise, there isn't much use in the consumer market for a 64bit pc (except *nix, but that's not their main market...).

it will be interesting to see if the sledge hammer will loosen intel's grip from the server market. these hammer chips are mind-boggling. initial benchmarks were putting the claw hammer at 4 TIMES FASTER than the itanium, at 2-300 less cycles... booya! i can't imagine the sledge... no more xeon i guess :)

i'm also interested to see if nvidia will make a comeback after the 9800 blow ati dealt... apparently it's just _way_ above invidia, and that's with ati's prerelease dirvers, which are always a joke and missing a ton of the hardware's capability.

i love ati :1orglaugh

Seb From Holland 03-09-2003 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by RSCPaul
Sebastian,

Try the Toshiba Satellite 1950. I have one and I love it, it comes with:

16" LCD
2.0 GHz
512MB Ram
NVIDIA GeForce 4 440Go Video Card
40 Gig Hard Disk
Wireless removable keyboard and mouse
CD-RW/DVD combo drive
Dual Monitor Support :) and TV-Out
3 USB and 1 Fire Wire IEEE1394
LAN Card

Check it out Toshiba Satellite 1950

:thumbsup

Thanks for your input. This notebook looks very good too! I'll take it in consideration.

Seb.

Seb From Holland 03-09-2003 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Seb, another thought. Right now, the 15" powerbook is last-year's model, and the 12" of course isn't quite as hot as the 17". However, if you wait for the new 15" to come out, you can save some money, considering you're planning on getting an external monitor anyhow.
I didn't know that the current 15" model was an old model. I would go for the 17" model because that one has more standard options, like bluetooth and 54mbit wireless. But if they release a 15" version with -apart from the screensize- the exact same specifications, I'll go for that one. I'm planning to connect an external monitor anyways (that 20" looks gorgeous).

Sebastian.

Seb From Holland 03-09-2003 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by mule
Sebastiaan, check out the Mycom site...dunno where you live, but there should be a Mycom outlet relatively close to you.
I have been totally anti-laptop for ages, until my gf talked me into buying the Asus a few months ago. It's awesome, and a hell of a lot cheaper than a comparable Toshiba, or any of the other A-brands.
If you're used to PC, stick to PC.
There's nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC. It used to be different, but that has changed ages ago.
I use this machine to capture and edit DV with Adobe Premiere, and run it alongside Photshop, no problem.

I'll have a look thanks. I live in Rotterdam so yes there is a MyCom shop not far from me.

Seb.

jpoker 03-09-2003 02:20 PM

i've got an IBM A31 with 1 GB of ram with built in wireless.
Its a 15 inch screen, buts its brightness is amazing. When
i put it next to other laptops it makes the other laptop screens
look very dark. IBM makes some very nice units...plus
i love the knobby mouse thing. it takes some getting
used to, but once you are proficient it is extremely fast
to use because you don't have to take your hand off
the typing position to use it.

- Johnny Poker

Seb From Holland 03-09-2003 02:25 PM

My current laptop is an IBM A22e. I love IBM stuff. They make great laptops. Too bad my laptop is too slow to do some Photoshopping on (only 800Mhz, 256mb ram).

Seb.

Probono 03-09-2003 02:31 PM

I am waiting for my 17" Powerbook. After 20+ years playing with Microsoft and Wintel I am finally moving. The reason MacOsX is FreeBSD with a GUI that is better than Windows.

I am tired of crashing computers, corrupted windows installations and viruses. Quality hardware, a rock solid OS and losts of great applications make Apple the only choice for me now.

X37375787 03-09-2003 02:49 PM

In fact, I am right now posting off a 17" iMac at the Apple store... GFY looks like crap on here ... :2 cents:

gothweb 03-09-2003 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by Seb From Holland


I didn't know that the current 15" model was an old model. I would go for the 17" model because that one has more standard options, like bluetooth and 54mbit wireless. But if they release a 15" version with -apart from the screensize- the exact same specifications, I'll go for that one. I'm planning to connect an external monitor anyways (that 20" looks gorgeous).

Sebastian.

The 15" hasn't been changed since a while before the 12" and 17" came out. That means it's currently behind on some features. They have to clear the channel of the current 15" models, before releasing one in line with the 17". That could be the right model for you...


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