EPA Announces new pollution controls. GOP says just what you expect.

Tries to look smart, fails miserably yet again. Don't you get tired of playing the fool lady?

That's bullshit. Sure there may be scientists getting paid by oil companies but there are many scientists who are climate realists that are not getting any money from oil companies.

The climate alarmist movement is using typical leftist tactics to stifle opposition - they shout down their opponents, use smear tactics, propaganda and outright lies. Next they will be sending people to gulags.

The only climate "deniers" are the alarmists because they deny reality, they deny actual facts and they outright fabricate "data" to suit their agenda.

The bullshit-laden climate alarmists have been standing on the street corner wearing their "the end is near" signs for decades now. None of their doomsday predictions have come true and none of them are close to coming true. It's all bullshit.

Wake up and realize that you are being lied to and manipulated.

Already driving pure electric now. The Zip cars are an interesting idea though...I have a friend who signed up and so far loves it.

Completely, Completely, wrong. You could not be further from the truth.



Quebec has its problems but has alot going for it too.

Alberta is Canada's Texas. It is rich in oil and tar sands. Most of Canada is still fairly green when it comes to Energy, and despite the minor skirmish, much of the untouched land is still owned by Natives who care more about the environment than anything else. For sure its a struggle and hopefully big oil can be kept in check, the way it should be.


"WE" means you and me. And others. Not Vendzilla. He smells like feet.


Actually, Yes by law..! "The EPA Is Essentially Required To Regulate Carbon Emissions By Law", and, "The Environmental Protection Agency's forthcoming regulations on greenhouse gas emissions will provide legally required protection for the health and welfare of Americans at a cheap cost, while allowing states flexibility" http://mediamatters.org/research/201...ion-sta/199516


That's right! Thanks to the EPA. Over the years the EPA has done things like force the removal of lead from Gasoline http://yosemite.epa.gov/R10/airpage....d+Gas+Phaseout, reduced acid rain, air pollution and even skin cancer & cataracts : http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/40th_highlights.html

Your kids can breathe thanks to the EPA, and some industries with help from politicians are trying to take this away from you.

No one is saying that it needs to be replaced. The world can never be without coal and oil, everyone knows that. What people are saying is that the pollution it creates needs to be reduced. Who said remove or replace coal?

12clicks, I don't hate America or Americans. Your country is beautiful and your people are friendly. You guys have a shitload of accomplishments and without you, Canada might not even be here. You are completely missing my point and filing me away in a place I do not belong.

Controlling pollution does not weaken the coal industry or the American economy in any way. What you are hearing or reading about this is pure propeganda from the coal industry, nothing more. Controlling pollution BOOSTS the economy, helps keep air and water clean for today and future generations, and makes the place a nicer place to live.

And since you mention Nuclear: The USA has over 100 Nuclear power plants that produced almost 800 Billion kWh in 2013, over 19% total electric output. 6 New reactors will be online by 2020. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Co...Nuclear-Power/

I know this bit of info will get me shot, but here you go:

Deaths by Nuclear energy compared with other causes:

Coal = 24 people x 57 TWh x 2 years = 2,736 deaths, plus 25,000 serious ailments
Gas = 3 x 58 x 2 = 348 deaths, plus 3,400 serious ailments
Oil = 19.2 x 9 x 2 = 342 deaths, plus 2,900 serious ailments
Total EXTRA fossil deaths = 2,736 + 348 + 342 = 3,426, plus 31,300 serious ailments

Nuclear = 0.052 x (57 + 58 + 9) x 2 = 13 deaths, plus 54 serious ailments

http://theenergycollective.com/wille...d-other-causes

Peace.

You didn't address anything I brought up. You completely ignored the fact that deniers are getting paid to deny. This should be a end to the discussion to be honest because there is no scientific proof that actually makes sense on your side of the argument.

Your entire basis of man not adding to global warming is because the earth has cycles and CO2 levels have been high before. No one has ever argued that the earth doesn't have cycles, what we are arguing is that fossil fuels and pollution are drastically speeding up the process and putting the entire human race survival at risk. Not to mention all the other living creatures that share the planet with us.

Meanwhile, I mentioned the fact that in the past CO2 levels were high due to volcanic eruptions which caused a naturally occurring greenhouse effect. I then asked you do you see any extreme volcanic activity that would cause the rise of CO2 as it has risen in the last 50 years?

Did the CO2 just magically appear? So yes I did respond to your CO2 comment you just didn't bother to answer back and you still ignore the fact that there is no real science that supports the deniers. It's all just paid for propaganda by big oil.

oh yea using smear tactics, propaganda and out right lies.. all things clearly above the Right wing.. Obviously just a leftist tactic..

**********, the real world- you should come here and check it out sometime. holler when you get here, I'll give you a tour.

How many deaths for solar & wind power..

Here Robbie, I'll make a deal with you.. Show me a scientific paper from the denial side which supports the theory that man is not causing global warming to speed up.

I want to see the actual science that supports your claims. Not BS opinion pieces from news sites, but actual real science.

I would find it myself self, but I've tried. Everything I find online about denial of man having any affect on global warming is just a wash of political talking points. I've found no real scientific papers just the same talking points that get thrown around endlessly that cherry pick specific data and fail to look at the big picture.

Show me the science and prove me wrong, that we have nothing to worry about.

counting birds and toads?

Only if we get to count all the birds and toads killed by oil spills, coal ash dumping and of course radioactive waste to be fair.

we gotta count em all- everything gets a say.

Here you go genius:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...arbon-dioxide/

As I ALREADY TOLD YOU BEFORE: I saw a big time climate scientist literally shock Bill Maher when he told him this on his show.
Bill had him on thinking the guy was going to join him in a round of doom-and-gloom revelry over "climate change" and how dumb "tea-baggers" are.

It's usually funny stuff at the very beginning of the show when he gets a guest and they fry the right wing together.

But Bill was stopped in his tracks when the guy revealed that the ocean and the plankton are eating up the excess CO2 faster than EVER before. And this was from a very liberal and very well respected scientist (according to Bill Maher's intro of him)

And that destroyed all the computer models that the "scientific papers" that YOU keep quoting are based on.

New "scientific papers" now need to be made using the new data and the new computer models.

The coolest thing about this is that just a couple of years before that...these same scientists were worried that they were going to look stupid again because they saw that the ocean was doing this.

And so a flurry of papers came out apparently (I found them on google) claiming that the ocean was going to slow down.

And of course...just like when they predicted that the East Coast would be underwater by the year 2000 and they predicted that an Ice Age was coming in the late 1970's...they were wrong AGAIN.

They didn't take into account that plankton LOVE CO2 and eat the shit out of it. lol

So Crockett, instead of acting like a jerk.
Can't you just be happy for once? SCIENCE says that this "problem" that never really existed is now solved.

And hell yes...let's go as green as we can. If I had the extra money I'd pick up a Tesla tomorrow. And as soon as solar panel companies stop price gouging...I'll put those on my house too.

But you should open your eyes and realize this is a money grab.
Big polluting companies buying "carbon credits" for hundreds of millions of dollars isn't "saving" the Earth.
It's just making green energy companies rich beyond your dreams.

how can a problem, that never existed, be solved