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  • SuckOnThis
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2003
    • 6844

    #46
    So now according to right wingers the more C02 the better and hotter temps simply mean better gardens. Worked out well for Venus, why not here?

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    • _Richard_
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Oct 2006
      • 30991

      #47
      Originally posted by PR_Glen
      so you ignore scaled timelines then? Is that what you are saying? I don't speak gif...
      gifs don't speak Glen.

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      • 12clicks
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jan 2001
        • 19813

        #48
        Originally posted by SuckOnThis
        So now according to right wingers the more C02 the better and hotter temps simply mean better gardens. Worked out well for Venus, why not here?
        there's no historical correlation between CO2 and temperature.
        Nice try from the peanut gallery.
        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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        • _Richard_
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Oct 2006
          • 30991

          #49
          Originally posted by 12clicks
          there's no historical correlation between CO2 and temperature.
          Nice try from the peanut gallery.
          Originally posted by 12clicks
          a refresher.

          weird, this seems to show correlation between co2 and temperature..

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          • 12clicks
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 19813

            #50
            Originally posted by _Richard_
            weird, this seems to show correlation between co2 and temperature..
            not amongst people who went to school
            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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            • RebelR
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2005
              • 1998

              #51
              Originally posted by Robbie

              Unless Mark Prince would like to suggest that perhaps primitive people were racing around in their evil cars and burning coal to stay warm etc., etc.
              I think I found the proof you were looking for
              Rich"at"rebel-ads.com
              ICQ 644377336 or MSN ruralx"at"hotmail.com

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              • _Richard_
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Oct 2006
                • 30991

                #52
                Originally posted by RebelR
                I think I found the proof you were looking for

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                • EonBlue
                  Apocalypse
                  • May 2007
                  • 3043

                  #53
                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                  there's no historical correlation between CO2 and temperature.
                  Nice try from the peanut gallery.
                  Exactly. Here is a better example of a great correlation:

                  Per capita consumption of cheese (US)
                  correlates with
                  Number of people who died by becoming tangled in their bedsheets





                  More awesome correlations here: http://www.tylervigen.com/
                  Last edited by EonBlue; 06-03-2014, 11:58 AM.

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                  • EonBlue
                    Apocalypse
                    • May 2007
                    • 3043

                    #54
                    Originally posted by MarkPrince
                    I'm in Montreal, Quebec. There is tracking going on here but it is being met with tons of resistance. New laws will hopefully make it clean or keep it out of Canada permanently.
                    Quebec is not Canada. If the Quebec government wants to ban it then that is there business. The other provinces can make their own decisions on it and you, and the rest of Quebec, can keep your noses out of the business of other provinces.

                    Quebec is the most leftist, socialist and corrupt jurisdiction north of Cuba and the less influence it has on the rest of the country the better.

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                    • 2MuchMark
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 50964

                      #55
                      Originally posted by EonBlue
                      They are only doing this to reduce CO2 emissions. CO2 is not pollution. Even if it were this will have no impact on a global scale.

                      Not true. CO2 was declared a pollutant. The EPA lumped carbon dioxide with five other gases -- methane, nitrous oxide, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons and sulfur hexafluoride -- into a single class for regulatory purposes. That's because they share similar properties: All are long-lived and well-mixed in the atmosphere; all trap heat that otherwise would leave the earth and go into outer space; and all are "directly emitted as greenhouse gases" rather than forming later in the atmosphere.

                      Originally posted by EonBlue
                      All this is going to do is to lead to more of that awful fracking that you hate so much and drive up the cost of natural gas.
                      Hopefully not. There are plenty of green alternatives.


                      Originally posted by Sly
                      You are suggesting that he is against United States fracking for environmental reasons, but okay with Canadian fracking for economic reasons. We finally agree on something. He is a hypocrite!
                      I'm not a hypocrite. I don't want tracking anywhere, not in Canada and not in the US, at least not in its current highly unregulated state. The council of Candians is calling for a country-wide halt on fracking operations. , and the practice has also been banned in Quebec. Read http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/what-is...sial-1.1505246


                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                      Here amongst the intelligent, we understand that these regs will not only jack prices up for energy but also create a shortage where we won't even be able to meet demand.
                      The EPA is, By Law, making the coal industry reduce emissions so that you and your future kids can breathe. IF the price of coal goes up, isn't it worth the price? And you do know that not all of your electricity comes from coal, right? In the US, only 37% of electricity comes from coal. 93% of electricity in Kentucky comes from Coal, which is very disturbing. Kentucky can do like the rest of the world, and and balance their own power grid out by getting electricity from other sources including renewable energy. They have over 15 years to make it happen.

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                      • 2MuchMark
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 50964

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Robbie
                        I was watching the History Channel last night.

                        It was a documentary on one of the earliest great civilizations...The Egyptians.

                        They showed excavations of small "towns" back in 9000 B.C.
                        But these places are in the middle of The Sahara Desert. How could that be?

                        Then they showed bones from elephants, giraffes, antelopes, bison, etc.
                        How could that be?

                        Here's how and WHY:
                        9000 B.C. The Sahara Desert was a savannah. Full of green vegetation, fields of green for animals to graze on. And early humans were there as hunters and gatherers.

                        Somewhere around 5000 B.C. the rains stopped, the area dried up...and became a harsh desert that we know today.

                        Guess what? The Earth CHANGES. With or without human actions.

                        Unless Mark Prince would like to suggest that perhaps primitive people were racing around in their evil cars and burning coal to stay warm etc., etc.

                        That's the one thing I never see "climate change" nutcases ever explain...the world's climate CHANGES over time no matter what.

                        But that's always left out of the equation. It's always mankind driving everything.

                        I say...that's just plain egotistical nonsense.

                        There are plenty of reasons why things change. The Sarah desert changed because of the Earth's Orbit around the sun: http://www.messagetoeagle.com/greensahara.php

                        The change occurring on the earth today is caused in part at least, by man.

                        The cool thing is, we can do something to stop this change from making things worse.

                        Peace.

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                        • dyna mo
                          just a fucking jerk
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 68184

                          #57
                          Originally posted by MarkPrince

                          The cool thing is, we can do something to stop this change from making things worse.

                          Peace.
                          **********, should "WE" Americans do this before or after we spend $20 trillion on the solar roadway you want us to buy?

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                          • SuckOnThis
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 6844

                            #58
                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                            there's no historical correlation between CO2 and temperature.
                            Nice try from the peanut gallery.

                            I certainly trust your judgement.


                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                            9/11 and Iraq should be mentioned in the same breath. Iraq supports terrorism, Iraq has chemical weapons, ties to terrorism, and a rogue dictator who invaded kuwait.

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                            • 12clicks
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 19813

                              #59
                              Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                              I certainly trust your judgement.
                              Oh look, a bottom runger tried to make a funny




                              And failed
                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                              • 12clicks
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 19813

                                #60
                                Originally posted by MarkPrince

                                The EPA is, By Law, making the coal industry reduce emissions so that you and your future kids can breathe. IF the price of coal goes up, isn't it worth the price? And you do know that not all of your electricity comes from coal, right? In the US, only 37% of electricity comes from coal. 93% of electricity in Kentucky comes from Coal, which is very disturbing. Kentucky can do like the rest of the world, and and balance their own power grid out by getting electricity from other sources including renewable energy. They have over 15 years to make it happen.
                                Not by law, son, and not so my children can breath. My children breath just fine now and despite the hysteria you've bought into, our air has gotten cleaner and cleaner.
                                Oh, and the 39% of our energy derived from coal is the largest amount derived from any source.
                                Here amongst the intelligent we understand that you can't magically replace 39% of your energy output with another source. Especially since nuclear isn't on the table.

                                I'm sure that you, American hater that you are, applaud this because it weakens us but let me clue you in, we've had enough of the idiot left. These standards will be blocked by people with common sense.
                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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