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  • crockett
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    • May 2003
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    News Ukraine forces kill 100 Russian separatists

    Ukraine stepped up it's response, when Russian separatist attacked the airport in Donetsk with a few hundred armed thugs. The same armed thugs that wouldn't allow anyone in Donetsk to vote in the election. Ukraine govt responded by sending in attack helicopters and fighter jets killing more than 100 of the Russian separatists. Moscow has in turn sent 9k of the 40k troops sitting on the boarder home and more are packing up to go back to their bases.

    Looks pretty clear case of Putin caving to the international pressure leaving the separatists hung out to dry and now Kiev will be free to root out those remaining. Russia was successful at grabbing a bit of land, but has managed to further isolate it's self from the rest of the world and created a new enemy on their on their boarder. Well done..


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...f-with-russia/
    Last edited by crockett; 05-28-2014, 06:25 AM.
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  • wehateporn
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    #2
    There should be headlines on the mainstream news saying "UKRAINE ARE KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!"

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    • MrDeiz
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      #3
      it's terrorists, not separatists

      those aren't ukrainian people which want to separate, but ruskie citizens, paramilitary and former special forces of ruskie army. including chechens ruskie have had a war with a few years ago
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      • crockett
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        #4
        Originally posted by MrDeiz
        it's terrorists, not separatists

        those aren't ukrainian people which want to separate, but ruskie citizens, paramilitary and former special forces of ruskie army. including chechens ruskie have had a war with a few years ago
        Well, by international law they fit the bill for a armed resistance or rebels. They wear uniforms and have a command structure. While yes I think they are just Russian thugs whom were put up to the task by Moscow, we can't just call everyone a terrorist because it gives govt's too much power. If you just call anyone a terrorist then next thing you know anyone that speaks out or protests will be a terrorists.

        Like it or not they fit the bill for insurgents, as they were attacking govt troops for the most part and not civilians. It was a classic armed rebellion which happened to be funded by Russia.
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        • ~Ray
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          • CAHEK
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            #6
            Ukraine forces will loose i can bet on that in long term. Sure they can use Jet's , Helicopters and etc..

            They have no match for pro-russian rebels who are probably most Chechen fighters who are most brutal people in war. Those 100 rebels who are experience figher's can take army of 1000 Ukraine forces who are 18-20 years old which have no experience in war or whatsoever.

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            • crockett
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              #7
              Originally posted by CAHEK
              Ukraine forces will loose i can bet on that in long term. Sure they can use Jet's , Helicopters and etc..

              They have no match for pro-russian rebels who are probably most Chechen fighters who are most brutal people in war. Those 100 rebels who are experience figher's can take army of 1000 Ukraine forces who are 18-20 years old which have no experience in war or whatsoever.

              Putin has caved, you just don't see it yet (or wont admit it). It's pretty obvious that a backroom deal has been made. Putin will save face by saying he will respect the will of the people and their new president but we all know he's caved and realizes he can't push this further.

              Putin has left those Russian separatists whom are probably a large number Russian troops, out to hang. Also I realize you want to be all wave the flag and all, but those 100 troops are dead. They didn't take out 1000 Ukraine forces.. They died and Ukraine didn't lose a single soldier..
              Last edited by crockett; 05-28-2014, 07:30 AM.
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              • just a punk
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                • Jun 2003
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                #8
                Originally posted by crockett
                News Ukraine forces kill 100 Russian separatists
                How can Ukrainian separatists be Russians?
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                • wehateporn
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                  #9
                  I doubt Putin will allow Ukraine to be run by the West, he's just realizing he has to focus more on covert than overt, like how the West took control of Ukraine in the first place.

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                  • Dmcontent
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by crockett
                    Well, by international law they fit the bill for a armed resistance or rebels. They wear uniforms and have a command structure. While yes I think they are just Russian thugs whom were put up to the task by Moscow, we can't just call everyone a terrorist because it gives govt's too much power. If you just call anyone a terrorist then next thing you know anyone that speaks out or protests will be a terrorists.

                    Like it or not they fit the bill for insurgents, as they were attacking govt troops for the most part and not civilians. It was a classic armed rebellion which happened to be funded by Russia.
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                    • pornmasta
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by wehateporn
                      There should be headlines on the mainstream news saying "UKRAINE ARE KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!"
                      exactly.

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                      • Rochard
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                        #12
                        I don't see where these people have a hope in hell. It's a few hundred lightly armed men going up against an army with tanks and helicopters.

                        Originally posted by MrDeiz
                        it's terrorists, not separatists
                        The difference between "terrorists" and "separatists" depends on which side you are on.

                        In this case I believe they are in fact separatists - they are trying to get a portion of the country to separate from Ukraine. Terrorists is when they attack the civilian population.
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                        • mineistaken
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                          #13
                          Finally they are dealing with terrorists/foreign invasion forces.

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                          • klinton
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                            #14
                            maybe these guys are dogs of war, maybe...

                            but judging by election results from previous years and what kind of support Yanukovich had, this area - east Ukraine doesnt support new ukrainian gov. at all....

                            so you would have to kill all the people who live there to get Ukraine united under new "peacefully elected" gov. from Kiev

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                            • just a punk
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by mineistaken
                              Finally they are dealing with terrorists/foreign invasion forces.
                              Did you say "foreign invasion forces"? They would be smashed in hours in case of the real foreign invasion. Just sayin'
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                              • CAHEK
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by crockett
                                Putin has caved, you just don't see it yet (or wont admit it). It's pretty obvious that a backroom deal has been made. Putin will save face by saying he will respect the will of the people and their new president but we all know he's caved and realizes he can't push this further.

                                Putin has left those Russian separatists whom are probably a large number Russian troops, out to hang. Also I realize you want to be all wave the flag and all, but those 100 troops are dead. They didn't take out 1000 Ukraine forces.. They died and Ukraine didn't lose a single soldier..
                                Yes, Putin can't push anymore. He already took Crimea.

                                100 died but tomorrow another 500 will come. Its just never ending story.

                                Ukraine forces not playing nice either. I can tell you that. I'm sure they released some bad prisoners or who don't give a fuck if they shot Russians or civilians who have no weapons at all.They just bloody killers.
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                                • MrDeiz
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                                  • CAHEK
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by MrDeiz
                                    cliffnotes
                                    rusia = shit
                                    pro-puting ruskie = lying bitches
                                    cyberseo = cyberbitch
                                    canek = bitch
                                    klinton = bitch

                                    ruskie have no idea what's going on here, they are zombie bitches. bitch. bitch. bitch
                                    I think you should go clean Maidan in Kiev rather then talk shit here on forum.



                                    Everybody got their own peace of cake from this. Somebody is new prisident billioner > Petroshenko. Became New Major of Kiev > Klitchko. Became Prime Minster > Yetenuk. Somebody got get out of jail free card > Timoshenko

                                    Everybody is happy. Are Ukraine people are happy ? No....

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                                    • martinsc
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                                      • dyna mo
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                                        #20
                                        y'all need to sort this shit out before I have to cancel upcoming travel plans to Russia.

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                                        • crockett
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                          How can Ukrainian separatists be Russians?
                                          So what do you think about Syria killing it's own people? No outside forces at work there or is that different? Seems Russian policy says it's ok to kill your own people or call them terrorists if it's pro Russian or a ally, however when it's anti Russian it's Fascists killing their own people?
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                                          • FreeHugeMovies
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                                            #22
                                            Kill them all.

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                                            • crockett
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by CAHEK
                                              Yes, Putin can't push anymore. He already took Crimea.

                                              100 died but tomorrow another 500 will come. Its just never ending story.

                                              Ukraine forces not playing nice either. I can tell you that. I'm sure they released some bad prisoners or who don't give a fuck if they shot Russians or civilians who have no weapons at all.They just bloody killers.

                                              If armed thugs started taking over airports and towns in Russia, would you expect Putin to play nice?
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                                              • seeandsee
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MrDeiz
                                                it's terrorists, not separatists

                                                those aren't ukrainian people which want to separate, but ruskie citizens, paramilitary and former special forces of ruskie army. including chechens ruskie have had a war with a few years ago
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                                                • CAHEK
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                                  If armed thugs started taking over airports and towns in Russia, would you expect Putin to play nice?
                                                  Taking over airport is one thing. Blowing up airport is another thing.

                                                  That's called separatists and not terrorists.

                                                  Putin can only send weapons and men for now. But he have another 40,000 troops on boarder ready to go if something bad will happen. Lets say if Ukraine forces will try to bomb the city or worse case. That's when real Russian troops will invade.

                                                  Ukraine all west forces trying to push hard East. They know if they don't they will loose battle and they will have to enter EU and be protected by NATO.
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                                                  • VikingMan
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                                                    • WDF
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                                                      #27
                                                      The PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) hard at work in this thread.

                                                      Remember the stray dogs in Sochi? Perhaps the "Terrorist" blowing up train stations, etc.?

                                                      Of course they have double standards, it is in fact the only way they can justify any of their actions.
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                                                      • crockett
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by CAHEK
                                                        Taking over airport is one thing. Blowing up airport is another thing.

                                                        That's called separatists and not terrorists.

                                                        Putin can only send weapons and men for now. But he have another 40,000 troops on boarder ready to go if something bad will happen. Lets say if Ukraine forces will try to bomb the city or worse case. That's when real Russian troops will invade.

                                                        Ukraine all west forces trying to push hard East. They know if they don't they will loose battle and they will have to enter EU and be protected by NATO.
                                                        It doesn't matter if they take it over by force or blow it up. If it were a Russian airport Putin would send in troops and kill them all and arrest any supporters they found. Putin wouldn't play nice with them, he would act with force to discourage more take overs.

                                                        So why do you think it should different in Ukraine? Why shouldn't their govt go in and take them out? No govt in the world that has a capable military would stand by and let this happen.
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                                                        • CAHEK
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                          It doesn't matter if they take it over by force or blow it up. If it were a Russian airport Putin would send in troops and kill them all and arrest any supporters they found. Putin wouldn't play nice with them, he would act with force to discourage more take overs.

                                                          So why do you think it should different in Ukraine? Why shouldn't their govt go in and take them out? No govt in the world that has a capable military would stand by and let this happen.
                                                          Ukraine is different then Russia first of all. It's who control govt. They are orders from the top. If they say kill them all. Forces will do it. If they will refuse, its either go to jail for 6 years or chances of being killed by it's own forces for refusing order. You pretty have no choices.
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                                                          • MrDeiz
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                                                            #30
                                                            ruskie = lying bitches
                                                            gfy ruskie = the same lying bitches




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                                                            • mineistaken
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                              Did you say "foreign invasion forces"? They would be smashed in hours in case of the real foreign invasion. Just sayin'
                                                              I did not say that it was strongest possible foreign invasion. Just small foreign invasion.
                                                              For example there are Kadyrov's men acting as terrorists in Ukraine.

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                                                              • crockett
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by CAHEK
                                                                Ukraine is different then Russia first of all. It's who control govt. They are orders from the top. If they say kill them all. Forces will do it. If they will refuse, its either go to jail for 6 years or chances of being killed by it's own forces for refusing order. You pretty have no choices.
                                                                Again if it were a Russian airport with separatists wanting to slice off a piece of Russia, would Putin not do the same?
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                                                                • just a punk
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by MrDeiz
                                                                  cliffnotes
                                                                  rusia = shit
                                                                  pro-puting ruskie = lying bitches
                                                                  cyberseo = cyberbitch
                                                                  canek = bitch
                                                                  klinton = bitch
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                                                                  • just a punk
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by CAHEK
                                                                    Everybody got their own peace of cake from this. Somebody is new prisident billioner > Petroshenko. Became New Major of Kiev > Klitchko. Became Prime Minster > Yetenuk. Somebody got get out of jail free card > Timoshenko


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                                                                    • klinton
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                                                                      • Apr 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      1 usd= 12 UAH
                                                                      before Maydan = around 7,5
                                                                      at least Mr Deiz is happy now with his dollars....dont know about rest of the nation though...

                                                                      and dont know about inflation too ;-)

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                                                                      • klinton
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                                                                        • Apr 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by MrDeiz
                                                                        cliffnotes
                                                                        rusia = shit
                                                                        pro-puting ruskie = lying bitches
                                                                        cyberseo = cyberbitch
                                                                        canek = bitch
                                                                        klinton = bitch

                                                                        ruskie have no idea what's going on here, they are zombie bitches. bitch. bitch. bitch
                                                                        haha who would have thought that I will be in the same group with CyberSeo

                                                                        but he is CyberBitch and I'm just bitch, same like canek...oh come on !

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                                                                        • wehateporn
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by klinton
                                                                          1 usd= 12 UAH
                                                                          before Maydan = around 7,5
                                                                          at least Mr Deiz is happy now with his dollars....dont know about rest of the nation though...

                                                                          and dont know about inflation too ;-)
                                                                          That's a big change, yeah, anyone know how their inflation is going?

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                                                                          • klinton
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                            That's a big change, yeah, anyone know how their inflation is going?
                                                                            probably not that good too..+ add to that latest IMF changes and cuts...again many people will be unhappy, wonder what will they do

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                                                                            • just a punk
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                              y'all need to sort this shit out before I have to cancel upcoming travel plans to Russia.
                                                                              Travel to Russia? Oh no, you'll die here of boredom. Go to the Ukraine instead. It's visa free and I bet, you won't not be disappoint there

                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                              So what do you think about Syria killing it's own people?
                                                                              Don't give a shit.

                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                              No outside forces at work there or is that different? Seems Russian policy says it's ok to kill your own people or call them terrorists if it's pro Russian or a ally, however when it's anti Russian it's Fascists killing their own people?
                                                                              Once again. Only the Ukrainian citizens can be considered as separatists there. Not Russians, not Poles and not the US Graystone mercenaries (yes, those are also involved).
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                                                                              • just a punk
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by seeandsee
                                                                                How much did you shot? are you in army?
                                                                                He is:

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                                                                                • Antonio
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                  probably not that good too..+ add to that latest IMF changes and cuts...again many people will be unhappy, wonder what will they do
                                                                                  They will do what all the former Eastern European countries in the EU did, went through 20 years of hell and now all of them, but two are highly developed countries.

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                                                                                  • CAHEK
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                    Again if it were a Russian airport with separatists wanting to slice off a piece of Russia, would Putin not do the same?
                                                                                    Again it depends on what kind of separatists are we talking about.

                                                                                    Muslim,Chechen,Islam,Taliban ?
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                                                                                    • crockett
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                      Travel to Russia? Oh no, you'll die here of boredom. Go to the Ukraine instead. It's visa free and I bet, you won't not be disappoint there



                                                                                      Don't give a shit.



                                                                                      Once again. Only the Ukrainian citizens can be considered as separatists there. Not Russians, not Poles and not the US Graystone mercenaries (yes, those are also involved).
                                                                                      So then how should they treat and react to Russians whom come into their country to fight? Call them illegal immigrants or shoot them dead?
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                                                                                      • dyna mo
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                                                                        Travel to Russia? Oh no, you'll die here of boredom. Go to the Ukraine instead. It's visa free and I bet, you won't not be disappoint there
                                                                                        I didn't realize you didn't like me so much, I thought we were always joking around. I'm not tough guy like mr diez, I'd last about 45 seconds there right now

                                                                                        I do want to go though, check out chernobyl in betwixt shooting hot ukrainian girls.

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                                                                                        • Kolargol
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                                          There should be headlines on the mainstream news saying "UKRAINE ARE KILLING THEIR OWN PEOPLE!!"
                                                                                          Would you write the same a few years ago when Russians flattened Grozny with bomb raids?

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                                                                                          • Sid70
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                            Well, by international law they fit the bill for a armed resistance or rebels.
                                                                                            Law of moron Putin, yes, they fit.
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                                                                                            • Kolargol
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by CAHEK
                                                                                              It's who control govt. They are orders from the top. If they say kill them all. Forces will do it. If they will refuse, its either go to jail for 6 years or chances of being killed by it's own forces for refusing order. You pretty have no choices.
                                                                                              Exactly, like in Dubrovka and Beslan. Pretty much all hostages and terrorists killed by Russian special forces with gas or tanks.

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                                                                                              • CAHEK
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Kolargol
                                                                                                Exactly, like in Dubrovka and Beslan. Pretty much all hostages and terrorists killed by Russian special forces with gas or tanks.
                                                                                                850?900 people hostage @ Dubrovka.That's alot of people

                                                                                                During the raid, all 40 of the attackers were killed by Russian forces, and about 130 hostages died due to adverse reactions to the gas (including nine foreigners).
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                                                                                                • klinton
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  whole eastern ukraine= terrorists

                                                                                                  people who think different way and has different values and views= terrorists

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                                                                                                  • klinton
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                                                    They will do what all the former Eastern European countries in the EU did, went through 20 years of hell and now all of them, but two are highly developed countries.
                                                                                                    so, where were Ukraine's last 25 years ?

                                                                                                    and as for the Eastern Europe countries: yes of course they are, usually cheap fabrics for western products

                                                                                                    and all others from these countries left to work in the west, do you think that EU will need 30 million cheap workers from Ukraine while having its own problems ?

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